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Originally posted by sputniksteve
Also did you hear someone made the connection between Franklin and Penn State? I just read DeCamp mention that someone said he had made the connection way back when but he didn't remember making it. I haven't gotten a chance to look into it further yet though.
Originally posted by NYUKLES
It appears that there are two extremely sensitive and taboo subjects for criminal and journalistic investigators.
1) UFOs and related
2) elite pedophilia
Originally posted by proteus33
reply to post by PrinceDreamer
i dont believe that hog wash about ice the doj aint going after child sex traffickers because they know how high up the chain this goes . do you not think that alot of very rich and very powerful love the kiddies. they arent going after the traffickers because they would tell who they work for.
Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by jibeho
I don't know.
The world seems to be so callous towards sexualizing children, and very little done about it. You have some well intentioned folks along the way, but anything major is for the most part pushed under the rug.
I think that there is a very large portion of the world that has no problem having sex with minors. I would also postulate that a large portion of the world is sociopathic. Of course, we don't know this because there is every reason to mask these two things from others. But when you see some of the folks who get busted for child sex....in the last year here it has been teachers, military recruiters, and other well known people (in my local area).
As with anything involving secrecy, from both law enforcement and offender, it is hard to know exactly what the truth is. But my heart hurts for any person forced to do sexual things against their will. Or forced to do anything, for that matter.
Originally posted by jibeho
This is a very complicated case so, I will post just a bit more from the investigation. Even retribution against "agents"
Laster and I presented dozens of cases to the FBI. Many of the cases involved minors who were being forced to have sex with adults for monetary reasons under the threat of violence from human traffickers. Special Agent X worked diligently to record our information and initiate investigations. Laster and I educated ourselves further on guidelines and protocols that the DOJ used in handling such cases. We felt assured by our research that it was a matter of law and a matter of internal policy that the FBI had to investigate and act on cases where minors were identified as being involved. All seemed well.
An Unwilling DOJ
But the majority of the cases we worked on with Special Agent X never turned into investigations for the FBI—even the ones involving children that the FBI was mandated to act on. Special Agent X was shipped to a different part of the United States and was forbidden to work on human trafficking issues any further, even though the guidelines had been followed. I was deactivated without cause (meaning in good standing). As of press time, the new special agent assigned to Laster returned her call but hasn’t communicated with her about the cases. Laster has also not been fully reimbursed by the FBI for time and expenses she incurred at its request.
townhall.com...
I'm still trying to get my head around this. Time for ATS to put it's heads together.
Originally posted by Eidolon23
Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by jibeho
I think that there is a very large portion of the world that has no problem having sex with minors. I would also postulate that a large portion of the world is sociopathic.
I don't think that this is so. Those who are abused as children become exponentially more likely to become adult perpetrators. There is a vast proportion of victims who, because of the element of secrecy, never receive therapeutic help until adulthood (if ever). Which also ups the likelihood of predatory behavior in adult survivors.
For every active sexual predator, there are dozens of child victims on average. A certain percentage of those will grow up to become perpetrators.
Exponential increase with every generation, and a subsequent decay of healthy norms society-wide.
Increased demand creates a market niche, and gives rise to an increase in human trafficking.
I can't imagine how hard it is on the LEOs who care and get hobbled in their efforts to stomp this atrocity out. We need to get our goddamn priorities straightened out.
Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
Over 100,000+ humans are trafficked each year -- very likely much more than that.
Of COURSE at an institutional level, it's supported -- they couldn't "disappear" that many people without getting caught.
If you can see the Gulf get killed by oil and chemicals by BP, and they are allowed to set their own punishment, such that they end up MAKING A PROFIT -- you have to realize that our government is no longer riding herd over the companies that own it.
If the Koch brothers can spend millions, and propagandize that Global Warming isn't going on -- so that since the Kyoto Treaty got ruined by the US, over a Trillion dollars in profits have been made (I know, chicken feed vs. what the banks rake in) -- then you have to realize that the people in charge MUST ALLOW the most depraved acts to take place.
IN a few years, it will be obvious what we've done to this planet -- and then wars will start over resources and clean water.
Human trafficking? If we have leaders who will sit back and let the robber barons kill the planet -- what wouldn't they do? They'd sell their own Grand children to a cannibal. This world is run by Psychopaths who's only goal is to create a world where they can publicly kill people for their amusement. Bread and Circuses are eventually for the rulers, not just to distract the public.
Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
Throughout the 20th century we saw man struggle against "injustice". Injustice was battled on many fronts ,by many people. Today we see some of these people considered icons, with their.images being synonymous with "struggle against injustice." Now, whether you believe them to be a good representation or not is moot....the point is, they are a symbol (for consumption by the symbol minded, i suppose).
Che Guevara, Martin Luther King, Bob Marley, Vladmir Lenin....all these people are iconic for their struggles against "injustice".
But when you talk injustice, these people referred only to "social injustice". And that got people galvinized into a movement that enacted change. Lenin brought about Communism in Russia, Che helped do the same for Cuba, King was greatness incarnate (and truly seems deserving of being an icon), Marley...well, mostly the poor, and he created a movement of getting high and wanting to be socially active in between jam sessions. Regardless, these people created movements that really did make some change (maybe not so much Marley....but he created a desire for change, if only his followers didn't get so high and decide to eat Doritos and play Mortal Kombat instead).
But when you talk real injustice, this screams for attention. This screams for someone to create a movement. And it would seem to be a movement that would create itself. So whats wrong? Why is human trafficking and child sex such a major issue? And, even more, why are we investigating drug dealers when we can investigate child sex pimps?
I would suppose the reason could be most easily summed up with a saying used in adult education: WIIFM? "Whats In It For Me?"
When you talk about social injustice, you talk about haves versus have nots. But when you talk real injustice, like human trafficking, you are talking about haves being asked to think about have nots. Obviously, humans tend to only worry about something when it pertains to what they will get. So moving against social injustice is an obvious no brainer, because people are trying to improve their own situation. Moving against human trafficking? Yeah....we see how much people care about that.
So we will all sit here on an internet forum, and declare that it is a travesty. But what will you actually DO about it?
I would guess not much We are all human, after all. If there isn't something in it for us, we don't care much more than to provide some lip service, maybe make a Facebook update, and possibly donate our change at the convenience store into a pickle jar for whatever it is (be it cancer, MDA...whatever).