Romania is about to explode

Merkel, Barosso and other leaders of E.U. are supporting the president of Romania, mainly because he did a lot of "economical" favors to Germany and France.

The is NOWHERE in the democratic countries all over the world a 50%+1 imposed presence to a referendum (not elections) as there is nothing on the romanian Constitution either.

The former referendum, in 2007, was LEGIT with 44% presence.The one in 2012 was NOT LEGIT with 46% presence.The SAME Constitution was in 2007 as it is now, unmodified.

What Germany did was DICTATORIAL and unexcusable.To IMPOSE a 50%+1 presence, thru Barosso, Merkel's lachey, will return against Germany, big time.

Hungary PM asked the hungarian minority in Romania NOT TO participate.What exactly is Hungary bet in this?

Another stupidity who was also SUPPORTED by merkel and Co., was that the referendum in Romania was made based on the electoral lists FROM 2004, where Romania had 22 million people and 18 million electors.
Now, we are under 20 millions with under 16 million eletctors.

The party who support the president (they had 17% in June locals) asked their members ro BOICOT the referendum, AFTER they also supported Barosso to impose a 50%+1 presence.

What Merkel realized is to have Romania NOW, with a 16% pro-EU sentiment.What Merkel realized is the start od Europe breaking up.
Romanians will wait a number of days until the Constitutional Court rules about the referendum results.If the CC will invalidate it...expect the hell to break lose in Romania and very fast Romanian exit frrom EU.


Out of the 8.2 million people who cast their vote yesterday, 7.4 million casted AGAINST the president.This is 87%...

I will keep this thread updated.

The president just came on TV and he just told about of CRAP.

He is provoking the people.

This will not end good.

Originally posted by Recollector
The president just came on TV and he just told about of CRAP.

He is provoking the people.

This will not end good.

I though the same thing after hearing Romney speaking in Israel

What did Germany do?

As far as I followed the story, there is this conservative president and his socialist opponent, who is trying to get the president out off office.

Sorry, but what is in it for Germany, I don't see anything? Could you please explain.

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Yeah, well, don't compare americans ro romanians.

You know what we do with presidents who are against 87% of the people? Take him and his wife, put them to a 30 min trail made by the people and military and shot them.

Originally posted by ManFromEurope
What Germany did?

As far as I followed the story, there is this conservative president and his socialist opponent, who is trying to get the president out off office.

Sorry, but what is in it for Germany, I don't see anything? Could you please explain.

What did Germany did? Well, firstly, they made MErkel chanchelor.That Merkel brod is supporting basescu againts romanians WILL (87% of romanians).What Merkel did is to IMPOSE thru Barosso a 50%+1 limit to VALIDATE the referendum.

They threatened Romania with SUSPENSION or even excluding romania from EU Council if that 50%+1 limit is not accepted by the Government.

Btw, the PEOPLE want the president OUT, not the PM.The PM is doing what PEOPLE ASK HIM TO DO.

Care to tell me where this 50%+1 minimum limit for a referendum (NOT elections) is in a democratic country?


So, to sum up...Merkel is supporting a DICTATOR.

Originally posted by Recollector
reply to post by Ben81

 

Yeah, well, don't compare americans ro romanians.

You know what we do with presidents who are against 87% of the people? Take him and his wife, put them to a 30 min trail made by the people and military and shot them.

nah we are better
exposing them with the truth .. no more mask
live in shame for eternity .. military shooting is just a quick escape for them

Originally posted by Ben81

Originally posted by Recollector
reply to post by Ben81

 

Yeah, well, don't compare americans ro romanians.

You know what we do with presidents who are against 87% of the people? Take him and his wife, put them to a 30 min trail made by the people and military and shot them.

nah we are better
exposing them with the truth .. no more mask
live in shame for eternity .. military shooting is just a quick escape for them

Haha...yeah, I bet Nixon was living in a shame in his HOUSE, with his MILLIONS OF $, and OUTSIDE Jail.

yeah, you are better LOL.

Originally posted by Recollector

Originally posted by ManFromEurope
What Germany did?

As far as I followed the story, there is this conservative president and his socialist opponent, who is trying to get the president out off office.

Sorry, but what is in it for Germany, I don't see anything? Could you please explain.

What did Germany did? Well, firstly, they made MErkel chanchelor.That Merkel brod is supporting basescu againts romanians WILL (87% of romanians).What Merkel did is to IMPOSE thru Barosso a 50%+1 limit to VALIDATE the referendum.

They threatened Romania with SUSPENSION or even excluding romania from EU Council if that 50%+1 limit is not accepted by the Government.

Btw, the PEOPLE want the president OUT, not the PM.The PM is doing what PEOPLE ASK HIM TO DO.

Care to tell me where this 50%+1 minimum limit for a referendum (NOT elections) is in a democratic country?


So, to sum up...Merkel is supporting a DICTATOR.

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Okay, honestly I found NOTHING about any necessary number of voters in any country, did you?
And so far you can only talk for about 87% of 46% of all electors = 40% of the people.

And, BTW: Merkel was elected. Like, in a democratic way, you know. That is not wrong.

Was your president elected? I think so. If he did a wrong thing, he can be brought to justice. Or will not be re-elected.

What about the referendum of 2007 against Basescu? Rigged, too?

Why did Ponta cut the rights of your constitutional court? Smells dirty, doesn't it?

What will Ponta do now? Will he fire up the unrests in romanias population or wait for the elections in autumn?

Originally posted by ManFromEurope

Originally posted by Recollector

Originally posted by ManFromEurope
What Germany did?

As far as I followed the story, there is this conservative president and his socialist opponent, who is trying to get the president out off office.

Sorry, but what is in it for Germany, I don't see anything? Could you please explain.

What did Germany did? Well, firstly, they made MErkel chanchelor.That Merkel brod is supporting basescu againts romanians WILL (87% of romanians).What Merkel did is to IMPOSE thru Barosso a 50%+1 limit to VALIDATE the referendum.

They threatened Romania with SUSPENSION or even excluding romania from EU Council if that 50%+1 limit is not accepted by the Government.

Btw, the PEOPLE want the president OUT, not the PM.The PM is doing what PEOPLE ASK HIM TO DO.

Care to tell me where this 50%+1 minimum limit for a referendum (NOT elections) is in a democratic country?


So, to sum up...Merkel is supporting a DICTATOR.

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Okay, honestly I found NOTHING about any necessary number of voters in any country, did you?
And so far you can only talk for about 87% of 46% of all electors = 40% of the people.

And, BTW: Merkel was elected. Like, in a democratic way, you know. That is not wrong.

Was your president elected? I think so. If he did a wrong thing, he can be brought to justice. Or will not be re-elected.

What about the referendum of 2007 against Basescu? Rigged, too?

Why did Ponta cut the rights of your constitutional court? Smells dirty, doesn't it?

What will Ponta do now? Will he fire up the unrests in romanias population or wait for the elections in autumn?

Ty for noticing the 2007 referendum.

FYI, in 2007, there were 44% present, the vote was 2 DAYS, the SAME Constitution was in 2007 AS IN 2012.
In 2007, 75% voted for NO, and basescu won.
in 2012, 87% voted YES, and basescu won.

How [snip], with SAME CONSTITUTION, is this possible? Well, NOBODY IMPOSED with THREATS a [snip] limit in 2007.Nobody!

They did it NOW, because basescu PLAYS as Merkel sings.

Ponta DIN NOT cut ANYTHING from CC rights.Nothing, not even a coma.And btw, I got it, you are a romanian.

What I know is that 87% of the people want basescu OUT.And I say 87%, because IT DOES NOT MATTER how many people vote.It never matter, not in US not in Germany and not in France.It matters in RUSSIA!!!

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yea riot and burn the place down and ditch the EU and kill everybody, your country will have a lot of time to see where that gets them as you wander around your newly formed garbage pile wondering why nobody will help you.

Originally posted by Recollector
I will keep this thread updated.

Please do.

The Eurozone crisis is hardly getting a look on ATS, it definitely deserves much more attention than its given here.

Originally posted by POPtheKlEEN89
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yea riot and burn the place down and ditch the EU and kill everybody, your country will have a lot of time to see where that gets them as you wander around your newly formed garbage pile wondering why nobody will help you.

Well, this is the WAY they (TPTB) is pushing it.If you want to know WHY they want Romania...we have the BIGGEST Gold, Silver and Copper in the WHOLE Europe, biggest WOODS and SECOND reserve of oil.

Imagine the following scenario :

Congress vote to impeach Obama and set a referendum.In the NEXT day after Congress decide the referendum, NATO asks USA to set a 50%+1 minimum presence to VALIDATE the referendum.Under the pressure, Congress ACCEPTS the limit.The day after, Democratic party ask their members and sympathizers to BOICOT the referendum.The day BEFORE the vote, Mexico's president asks mexicans in US to NOT VOTE.

Now, granted, USA don't give a flying xxxx about what NATO wants.

But imagine that Romania CAN BE EASILY forced to cave into what germany wants.Romania NEEDS Europe money.Germany forced Berlussconi out, Germany forced greek people to accept inhumane conditions.

Well, italians and greeks might be OK with what Germany wants and accept it.

Maybe italians and greeks are still pro-europe.Maybe they are cowards.


Romanians are NOT accepting what the hell Germany wants IF IT IS AGAINST US.They want SLAVES ALL OVER Europe : greeks, italians, portughese, spaniards.

Well, guess what : romanians will NOT accept this crap.

And don't worry about us.We have PLENTY of agriculture land (we were feeding Europe between WW1 and WW2), we have PLENTY of gold and silver, plenty of oil and gas, and we can EASILY restart to produce weapons and amunition.We can do it FINE outside Europe and Germany.

If the imminent riots will lead Europe to crubmle...so be it.Maybe Spain and greek will follow suit tbh, because man, their are in a deeper # that us.We can AT LEAST feed us and keep us warm in the winter lol.They are living on tourism...well, what is left of it.

The government asked the National Institute of Statistics to release data about the numbers of romanians.

The NIS data :
-total number of romanians : 19,045,000
-total number of 0-17 yrs of age (cannot vote) : 3,504,000
-total number of 18+ yrs of age (electors) : 15,541,000

Total number of casted votes required to validate the impeachment referendum gad been established to 50%+1 of the total electors.


This will be part of the document that will be received by the Constitutional Court in the LAST attempt to settle this issue democraticaly and non violently.

The government will ask the CC to validate the referendum in the light of the NIS official data.The HC could take this into consideration or NOT.
The CC decission will most likely be know on Wednesday.


Funny thing :

With the old data of 18,300,000 electors, with 50%+1 of the votes for impeachment, out of the 50%+1 of the total numbers of electors, the president would be demited by :

-18,300,000 : 2 = 9,125,001 needed to cast the vote (50%+1)
- 9,125,001 : 2 = 4,562,502 needed to vote YES for impeachment.

So, only 4,562,502 votes.Out of the 8,3 million votes on Sunday, a whooping 7,4 voted YES.

Isn't this CRAZY ? The president would be demited with 4,5 million votes in a NORAML baillout (without boicoting) but he CANNOT be demited by 7,5 million votes because Merkel and Barosso imposted this ILLEGAL and UNEXISTED minimum limit in ANY democratic world?


Now, here is the #.The CC have 9 members.out of those 9 members, 2/3 will have to decide if the referendum was or was not valid.So, 6, out of 9.BUT, in the last years, the president and the former government and former parliamentary majority have full control over 4 of the CC judges and the UDMR (the hungarian minority party - who also boicoted the vote) have control over 1 judge.

Leaders of the current majority have declared that Basescu had PROMISED territorial autonomy to hungarian minority in exchange for them NOT to vote.

Looks like Merkel wants another Serbia...Well, bad for her, ain't going to work here.The counties where the hungarian have the majority are 3, and those counties are IN THE MIDDLE OF ROMANIA.


If the CC will be INSANE and rule that the referendum is INVALIDATED...it is going to be a bloodbath and the waves will simply demolish the whole Europe.

I pray that the judges will be SANE and not open a can that NOBODY wants to be opened.

Originally posted by Recollector

Originally posted by POPtheKlEEN89
reply to post by Recollector

 

yea riot and burn the place down and ditch the EU and kill everybody, your country will have a lot of time to see where that gets them as you wander around your newly formed garbage pile wondering why nobody will help you.

Well, this is the WAY they (TPTB) is pushing it.If you want to know WHY they want Romania...we have the BIGGEST Gold, Silver and Copper in the WHOLE Europe, biggest WOODS and SECOND reserve of oil.

3rd biggest reserve: 2nd is the UK, 1st Norway.

Imagine the following scenario :

Congress vote to impeach Obama and set a referendum.In the NEXT day after Congress decide the referendum, NATO asks USA to set a 50%+1 minimum presence to VALIDATE the referendum.Under the pressure, Congress ACCEPTS the limit.The day after, Democratic party ask their members and sympathizers to BOICOT the referendum.The day BEFORE the vote, Mexico's president asks mexicans in US to NOT VOTE.

Now, granted, USA don't give a flying xxxx about what NATO wants.

But imagine that Romania CAN BE EASILY forced to cave into what germany wants.Romania NEEDS Europe money.Germany forced Berlussconi out, Germany forced greek people to accept inhumane conditions.

Oh please! Berlusconi has forced himself out of office for being a major clown which was even unbearable for the Italian people ("Bunga Bunga!").. Germany had nothing to do with this.
Greece? Well, it is just not fair to say that the Troika would be controlled by Germany. True, Merkel wants this stupid policy of cost reduction at all costs, which is a heavy burden. Nethertheless, the Troika has enough power on their own to decide about their actions on themselfes.

Well, italians and greeks might be OK with what Germany wants and accept it.

Maybe italians and greeks are still pro-europe.Maybe they are cowards.


Romanians are NOT accepting what the hell Germany wants IF IT IS AGAINST US.They want SLAVES ALL OVER Europe : greeks, italians, portughese, spaniards.

Nasty comment: Slaves would actually produce something...

Well, guess what : romanians will NOT accept this crap.

And don't worry about us.We have PLENTY of agriculture land (we were feeding Europe between WW1 and WW2), we have PLENTY of gold and silver, plenty of oil and gas, and we can EASILY restart to produce weapons and amunition.We can do it FINE outside Europe and Germany.

Wheeee, weapons and ammo, just what we need in the middle of Europe - a country producing war machines for what? Self-defense? Are you crazy? Noone wants another war in Europe! Stop this nonsense, right now!
Anyway, the Romanian electronic semiconductor-industry would drop substantially in exports as soon as Romania would drop the Euro. No way this would happen.

If the imminent riots will lead Europe to crubmle...so be it.Maybe Spain and greek will follow suit tbh, because man, their are in a deeper # that us.We can AT LEAST feed us and keep us warm in the winter lol.They are living on tourism...well, what is left of it.

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BTW: I am not a Romanian.

Originally posted by Recollector
The president just came on TV and he just told about of CRAP.

He is provoking the people.

This will not end good.

I don't know if you were around when Ceaucesceau went down, but it looked like a ton of angry people wielding bricks, bottles, curbstones, in the dark streets, and no time for posters and stuff, just quick elimination. Then I woke up. After that, the entire world (except the usa/canada) revolted. Romania was the start, '89 was it?

Are they allowed to enter in politics in Romania? The 'career politicians', I mean.

Originally posted by Recollector

Ponta DIN NOT cut ANYTHING from CC rights.Nothing, not even a coma.And btw, I got it, you are a romanian.

The CC says otherwise..

What I know is that 87% of the people want basescu OUT.And I say 87%, because IT DOES NOT MATTER how many people vote.It never matter, not in US not in Germany and not in France.It matters in RUSSIA!!!

Russia? Not involved, right?
And don't try to fudge with the numbers, your parliament voted with 256-114 against the provision to change the voting law.. Source

There were simply not enough voters, even by carrying the ballot-boxes into the homes of ill people and to the beaches to catch the vacationists.

Any NORMAL and democratic country do not change the rule of the game in the MIDDLE OF THE GAME.

President Basescu was SUSPENDED in Parliament under the SAME CONSTITUTION as in 2007 and under same referendum law as in 2007.

After only days, Barosso sent a letter with 11 points to Ponta...exactly like a MASTER to his vassal.ALL of those 11 points were ENFORCED under threats of suspending Romania from EC, SUSPENDING Romania fro EC or even CUT THE european funds.

The 11 points were reffered mainly to things like : do not interfere in CC rights, do not change the general attourney, the interim president asked not to give presidential pardons AND gov. to set a 50%+1 limit for validation of the referendum.

The gov accepted ALL those 11 points.


The PM acted like a real democratic leader, ACCEPTING what Germany wanted thru Barosso's letter.


However, the things became VERY COMPLICATED, because at this moment, we feel like being ruled by Germany...and we do not like that.Add to this the Hungary PM who asked hungarian minority not to vote, and you have everything in place for a SHTF scenario.


Nobody can just IGNORE and SPIT on 8,3 million people (7,4 million voted for impeachment).The USL (former opposition-actual majority) had 4,4 million votes in June local elections.
The ones who voted against Basescu are 7,4 millions...3 millions MORE that what USL have.

One cannot ignore that number, ESPECIALLY because they are 3 million more than what political parties opposed to president have.

It is NOT just a political vote against the president, it is an electoral revolt that could very easily came in the streets if CC invalidates the referendum and Basescu returns.

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Here is a list of those 11 points, as far as I (and Google.translate) could find them:

A. The rule of law and judicial independence (above the interests of political parties)
* Restoring the Constitutional Court's powers to check the constitutionality of decisions of Parliament including: repeal the Emergency Ordinance. 38
* Restoring majority rule necessary to validate the referendum results (half plus one of those registered on the electoral roll): repeal Ordinance no. 41
* Not to use the Emergency Ordinance for decisions affecting the status of fundamental institutions of the state or the Constitution and all non-emergency
* Avoid the use of selective publication in the Official Gazette to pursue political goals, especially to avoid judicial decisions.
* Compliance immediately in front of all Constitutional Court decisions.
* Commitment of public authorities to respect judicial independence and avoid criticism of these judicial decisions.

Two. Reassure
* Appoint an ombudsman to enjoy the support of most political parties, through an objective and transparent appointment process
* No appointments to attorney general and chief prosecutor of the National Anticorruption under the current president: public and transparent procedures and list open to anyone, selections based on criteria of professionalism and integrity and track record in the fight against corruption.
* No presidential pardon during the current Presidency
* The appointment of ministers against whom was not made decisions that meet the criteria of integrity. Obligation of not meeting these criteria will leave their posts.
* Resignation of MPs who received the final decision on incompatibility, conflict of interest or high-level corruption.


Point number 2 is interesting, but why did Antonescu add the rule about majority + 1 just recently (17th of july)?

Constitutional Court will decide on Friday if the referendum was or not valid.