Ron Paul Wins Maine

Originally posted by flashtrum

Originally posted by Erongaricuaro

Originally posted by flashtrum
...if you pick number 3, you are likely to win ZERO - WHICH WOULD YOU PICK?

If I pick #1 I will get 4 more years of bad luck.

If I pick #2 I will probably get 8 years of bad luck. Romneycare/Obamacare, what is the difference?

If I pick who I want I likely won't get it but at least I'm not preventing you from getting who you want, and whatever the consequences of it won't be my fault.

The choices all suck, but the last one seems least objectionable to me.

edit on 30-7-2012 by Erongaricuaro because: (no reason given)

The difference is that Romney feels (as more true conservatives do) that these types of choices should be left to the states and having the Feds involved in anything isn't really good for anybody.

My Dad used to say that the Post Office was the only self-sufficient government agency. Now look where we are. It's a mess because of government-centric ideals.

And the consequences WILL be your fault. The time to "make a statement" is long gone. But go ahead, write in Paul. It will make ZERO difference, except if the stock market loses enough points the day after and the company you work for decides that the layoffs there were considering are actually worth following through on, your job is gone, and in order for you to get to this site you'll need to take the bus down to the public library.

Again, I love the idealism and was a Paul supporter. But it is what it is people. Argue that there's little difference between Romney and Obama all you want. I'll trying to get you to look at this thing as it is. #1, there are two candidates left. There will be no crazy delegate fight. #2, go with every conspiracy in the book and Romney is still better for your checking account. He just is. If you put gay marriage ahead of making sure your kid goes to college, by all means vote for Barry. As a US Citizen it's your right. If you want any shade of what this country used to be and could be again, however faint - sorry but Mitt is our only choice here.

Your support for Romney seems really out of place. I think you are the first I have seen that really supports this douche! In any case it will a cold day in hell before I cast a vote for either of the two. Obamney is the embodiment of all that is wrong with this country!

Originally posted by babybunnies
Just because the delegates elected were Ron Paul supporters surely doesn't translate into a win for this state for Ron Paul?

I'm an avid RP supporter, but this statement makes no sense.

Ron Paul did in fact win the Maine caucus.

MY GOD you people are idiots.

It does not matter HOW MANY PEOPLE WRITE-IN RP. I have been on board with him since the day I found out what his values were. But to say "Oh! We will just do this by writing him in!" is idiotic and naive.

YOU CAN'T JUST WRITE-IN A CANDIDATE.

To do that is A WASTE OF A VOTE.

I don't mean that your candidate won't win. I mean YOUR VOTE IS NULL, VOID, AND WILL NOT BE COUNTED PERIOD, FOR ANYONE.

Unless RP is going to file paperwork in every state for a write-in campaign, IT IS USELESS.

Yes, that is hard to hear. And yes, you are going to see how badly he wants to carry his torch by whether or not he goes for a write-in campaign in lieu of the convention. If he thinks he is right, he will do this and garner legitimate votes. But if he doesn't, you are tossing a vote for nothing.

There are smart people on this website. But a ton of you are so damned dumb and full of yourselves, and idealistic about what you think SHOULD happen, that it is sickening.

Deny ignorance, my aching ass. This is just a lot of talk from people with no coherent thought of follow through.

Yes, our system is corrupt. But dammit if people shouldn't make a realistic stand. To say you aren't going to vote for the lesser of two evils (and yes, there are other options), is just moronic.

We can split a vote. Or pick an entirely different candidate. But to boohoo that our top choice is not available, and toss everything to the wind benefits noone.

reply to post by johnnysixguns


You think Paul supporters dont know that if they have to write him in it wont count? Of course they do.

Of course I DO.

Thats the whole point. MAKING A POINT that we will not go with the status quo and that we will not be forced to vote for someone that does not have anyones best interests at heart.

Before Paul stopped his campaining, we all made this very clear.

When Romney loses- it wont be our fault- it will be the GOPs fault for being so naive. He is clearly the best candidate- but they chose a different path(the corporate whore) one people are no longer willing to accept.

I wont vote for Romney out of principle, that would be like me voting for Obama. WONT HAPPEN.

People like you are the problem- not us.

You should have thought about this way back when, but it really doesnt matter. If you have any self respect- you vote for who you want to vote for- not who they tell you to vote for.

...and the name calling really doesnt help your case.

I will write in Paul if I have to because the other two candidates to me are both rotten to the core.

Look at it this way- If Obama does take office cause the GOP was too stupid to back the right candidate- then the world will burn on Obamas watch(it already is anyways).

Later.

Originally posted by flashtrum

The difference is that Romney feels (as more true conservatives do) that these types of choices should be left to the states and having the Feds involved in anything isn't really good for anybody.

My Dad used to say that the Post Office was the only self-sufficient government agency. Now look where we are. It's a mess because of government-centric ideals.

And the consequences WILL be your fault. The time to "make a statement" is long gone. But go ahead, write in Paul. It will make ZERO difference, except if the stock market loses enough points the day after and the company you work for decides that the layoffs there were considering are actually worth following through on, your job is gone, and in order for you to get to this site you'll need to take the bus down to the public library.

Again, I love the idealism and was a Paul supporter. But it is what it is people. Argue that there's little difference between Romney and Obama all you want. I'll trying to get you to look at this thing as it is. #1, there are two candidates left. There will be no crazy delegate fight. #2, go with every conspiracy in the book and Romney is still better for your checking account. He just is. If you put gay marriage ahead of making sure your kid goes to college, by all means vote for Barry. As a US Citizen it's your right. If you want any shade of what this country used to be and could be again, however faint - sorry but Mitt is our only choice here.

But you are assuming that you can actually hold Romney to his word. Which you can't. If you feel that there is any difference between Obama and Romney, then i can't help you.

Lets put it this way, the true RP supporters won't vote for Romney because a vote for Romney is basically a vote for Obama. *truth*

You want to suggest the age old beleif "vote for the lesser of two evils" but the truth is, there is no lesser evil here, they are both the same evil. RP is the only non evil here, and so, regardless of what you hope they might do, or what you hope they might un-do, Romney and Obama will take this country on the same exact path we are on. There will be no "change" under either.

"Yes We Can" maybe, but what they really mean is "No We Won't"

RP 2012 .... Gary Johnson 2016!!!!

reply to post by Common Good


And that is nothing but democracy inaction.

You accomplish nothing but standing there, chest puffed out, and thumping on it.

All the while you do nothing but enable Mitt Romney or Obama to take office, and have an undue sense of self-righteousness about it. It wasn't your fault.

Its that attitude that is partially to blame for taking this country down the sh*tter.

Not the NWO. Not the Illuminati. Not TPTB. Its a retarded sense of self-righteousness.

reply to post by johnnysixguns


No- its my ability to say NO....STOP.....I DONT WANT THAT.

You want my pity vote for Romney- you will not get it.

- Not only that- I did what people wanted me to do las election . "choose the lesser of two evils- its the only way"

So I did...and where did that get me? Nowhere.

This time I wont sit back and be a part of the problem...AGAIN.

Not again.

If they arent listening to the peoples voices- what does it matter who I pick?

Wont be my fault when Obama is elected.

It will be the ignorance of the GOP.

They have been snuffing Paul since day one- and its time for them to realize how big of a mistake that was.

GOP is going down in flames because they cant get their act together, and somehow its my fault when I try to weed out the corruption with my one lonely single voice?

..Get out of here.

reply to post by GoldenRuled
I am not much of a political fan. But I do hope that Ron Paul can make a 3rd party run. It will be difficult, seeing how the MSM loves to do what they can to beat him down and make him look like a non-contender.

Originally posted by tpsreporter

Originally posted by flashtrum

"Yes We Can" maybe, but what they really mean is "No We Won't"

RP 2012 .... Gary Johnson 2016!!!!

And now, all RP supporters involved, need to move for that last line in 2012.

Stop beating your chests. Stop throwing away your vote.

If you want to change things, change them. If RP is out, and you want neither Obama or Romney (I know I don't), then move your vote to the next viable candidate for you. But don't throw it away.

reply to post by Common Good


You can kindly leave.

Because you are exactly right. Your vote doesn't matter anyway.

Actually, on further review, I realize just how blind you are. You don't even bother to follow up on anything I said before hand.

I absolutely would write in my dog, and throw away my vote before I voted for Romney.

I can't vote for RP? I have two more candidates in line, neither of who are MR or BO.

No, you are self-righteous, and chest thumping, and make your vote pointless.

Democracy inaction.

Get a clue.

reply to post by johnnysixguns


Oh can I? I can kindly leave?

Thanks for the permission.

..anything else you want to dictate to me? Cause you sure are on a roll with it.

reply to post by Common Good



Yes, I would like to dictate to you that since you also feel the need to vote along party lines (a pity vote for Romney cause you can't have RP?) that you are part of a division in this nation.

I am an Independent. I am also a Libertarian. And my primary vote was to RP because I saw the majority of my values in him. To say that because I can't vote for him, I will throw away my vote, is idiocy.

Maybe you're just too myopic to realize that.

Originally posted by johnnysixguns
reply to post by Common Good

 

Yes, I would like to dictate to you that since you also feel the need to vote along party lines (a pity vote for Romney cause you can't have RP?) that you are part of a division in this nation.

I am an Independent. I am also a Libertarian. And my primary vote was to RP because I saw the majority of my values in him. To say that because I can't vote for him, I will throw away my vote, is idiocy.

Maybe you're just too myopic to realize that.

Re-read what I wrote genius.

I said I wont give you a pity vote for Romney.

I am not a republican either.

...try getting your facts straight.


Go ahead, pick your third party candidate- I have no problems with that- but doing so is just "throwing your vote away". Havent you realized the stranglehold these two parties have on the country? And you think your third party candidate is going to get anywhere near the right amount of numbers? PSH.

THE ONLY WAY.... is to make the two parties implode. Or else they will continue on this same path forever.

Ironic- you telling me Im throwing my vote away when you are doing the same damn thing.

Wow.

reply to post by Common Good


No, the irony is that I am still practicing democracy. My candidate may not be elected, but my vote is legitimate, and I will see its percentage polled. You can't say the same for yourself.

Not to mention all this bull about a write-in vote is idiocy, purely for the fact that if RP supporters came together on another candidate, it DOES have the possibility to sway some REAL numbers.

It comes down to the fact you throw away your vote into thin air, while I throw my vote to something still relevant. And anyone else can do the same.

Originally posted by johnnysixguns
reply to post by Common Good

 

No, the irony is that I am still practicing democracy. My candidate may not be elected, but my vote is legitimate, and I will see its percentage polled. You can't say the same for yourself.

Not to mention all this bull about a write-in vote is idiocy, purely for the fact that if RP supporters came together on another candidate, it DOES have the possibility to sway some REAL numbers.

It comes down to the fact you throw away your vote into thin air, while I throw my vote to something still relevant. And anyone else can do the same.

Your vote for a third party candidate right now is about as relevant as yesterdays news.

RP supporters arent sheep.

Your lost vote= because you thought you had to.
My lost vote= because I am making a stand and saying enough is enough.

how about this...how about we both lose our votes on totally different people?
..wait thats already happening....so why are you calling people names? Look in the mirror.

- I know many people in this country think that Election season is just one big game...but to me its not.
Not anymore. Not this time. I have been around politics and talked more about politics than I like to admit sometimes, but the fact is most people just dont care.
They think that they HAVE to vote for someone because if they dont- the 'other' guy will get in. It is a crock.
If that candidate didnt already have enough votes to win it without mine, than he was already doomed:::ahem McCain::
But if I change that up and say "HEY...NO!...I WILL NOT!"..that changes everything...now THEY have to convince me....and they still cant.
....try putting a gun to my head.....that MAY help.

As long as I keep speaking about what I think is the best for this country...than it may catch on and it may effect other things... like what people want in their legislation..exposing them to things they didnt understand which can drastically change their POV....talking about how everything I believe is something I take seriously and for what reasons...

Thats how you change things in this country...by pointing it out and exposing it, and never giving up.
Not being a lap dog for some fool you hardly even know or put that much investment into.
Only FOOLS do that.

Then you sit there for the next 4 years feeling like crap cause you didnt do enough to make the right choices.

I believe in sound money..I believe in less government..I believe in less handouts and bailouts...I believe in staying out of other peoples buisness...I believe in keeping the corporations at equal playing feilds with the rest of the small buisnesses.....

...but they dont.

I dont believe in monopoly...I dont believe in continuing ANY of the wars...I dont believe increasing the debt ...I dont believe the FED should have secrecy....

...but they do.

....tell me what other candidate has my best interests at heart besides RP?

reply to post by johnnysixguns


A lot of us Ron Paul supporters ended up throwing our support 3rd party last time. Didn't work then, why would it work this time?

reply to post by Common Good


Gary Johnson, who is closely aligned with RP except for a few issues.

Thanks, I told you how to vote without entirely pissing into the wind.

Originally posted by johnnysixguns
reply to post by Common Good

 

Gary Johnson, who is closely aligned with RP except for a few issues.

Thanks, I told you how to vote without entirely pissing into the wind.

Thats the problem with you guys...

You keep trying to tell people how to vote.

...you arent pissin in the wind, you are straight pissing on your face.

reply to post by johnnysixguns


Wheres a vote for Gary Johnson going to get me?

...and he is no Ron Paul.

reply to post by TKDRL


So you do it one time, and because it didn't work, you just stop?

That is what I mean about democracy inaction.

I have no doubt that it going to be a rough ride for any candidate other than MR or BO. But to throw up your hands and give up entirely is just ridiculous, and not even trying. You can see numbers reflected in votes for another candidate. But with as little press as RP has seen, do you really think you're going to see a reflection of the write-ins for RP post-election? Definitely not.

You make your vote count where it can. And a write-in for RP at this point is no vote at all.

You're exactly right. CG is right in saying to keep preaching, but the methods he is going about it are stillborn. The purpose voting isn't to vote for the candidate who ENTIRELY sides with you, it is to vote for the person who sides with you the most. No matter who you vote for, you are voting for the lesser of an evil, because NOONE is going to entirely back EVERYTHING you want.

That is where I get to throwing away your vote to prove a point is just self-righteous chest thumping.

And at this point, with no direction or cohesion, a lot of RP supporters who weren't all-in are going to be jumping to MR, because they are partisan. Hell, maybe RP should have ran for the Libertarian ticket. Then maybe he could have secured candidacy.