Jesus Christ's Superderterministic, Cosmological, Magnum Opus.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


What is this realization that you speak of? You say you have a realization yet do not elaborate on it.

The prodigal son is about forgiveness, not whatever you're talking about. It means that god will forgive you no matter what you do, as long as you realize your mistakes and correct them. As long as you repent, you are rewarded. I'm not even sure what your point was in referring to this passage honestly.

for now my avatar and background is the clue (within the context of everything we've covered so far). .

I'll come back over the weekend and explain how I've tried to encode the idea there with what might be called exoteric esoterica.

Perhaps that might shed some light on what I'm attempting to illuminate.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


So the inside is the same as the outside? As in our spirit makes this reality and reality makes our spirit? I'm confused.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
I'll come back over the weekend and explain how I've tried to encode the idea there with what might be called exoteric esoterica.

Even if the idea is encoded, which lets you claim that the reader isn't getting it, the proof you present is in plain english and it fails in different ways to back that idea.

Perhaps that might shed some light on what I'm attempting to illuminate.

I don't know about anyone else but what you are attempting to illuminate is pretty clear to me. I just don't agree with it and the proof offered isn't swaying me.

So, as 3NL1GHT3N3D1 said "You've had 32 pages", at this point I think it is just you not wanting to accept the holes in your idea.

musical interlude..

In the Christian context that some among us have been inquiring into and exploring, consider this like a mutual love song, sung by God to us, and us to God, whereby in the final analysis it doesn't even matter who started singing to whom first.

In terms of modern physics, it's what's called a "Closed Loop".

However, universal principals, like Justice, must be upheld without compromise, while simultaneously extending a Mercy of equal height and depth, and breadth. How could this be done in a reconciliatory manner within the context and framework of the relativity of human being (brotherhood of man, family) relative to the Absolute Godhead or absolute Goodness and Righteousness of God?

Can we enter into the "holy of holies" as a domain of limitless and unbounded possibility that is also the very unconditioned ground of all being and becoming, while largely unaware, blind, as if chained inside Plato's cave? And how can we be liberated from the snare even of our own subjective limitations? Are we imprisoned in "isolate consciousness"? Is there a way out?

Can we close His circle of joy, and complete the Great Work of the Ages?

Who will DARE? (then again anything less isn't very reasonable).

Who has the outright audacity to receive it and accept it, the free gift of incalculable value?

I will. Can't not, once recognized for what it is and what it represents as a re-integrative evolutionary principal of integrity and wholeness (and holiness - not unlike the enveloping love of the father in the Prodigal Son story).

If we are painstaking about this phase of our development, we will be amazed before we are half way through. We are going to know a new freedom and a new happiness. We will not regret the past nor wish to shut the door on it. We will comprehend the word serenity and we will know peace. No matter how far down the scale we have gone, we will see how our experience can benefit others. That feeling of uselessness and self-pity will disappear. We will lose interest in selfish things and gain interest in our fellows. Self-seeking will slip away. Our whole attitude and outlook upon life will change. Fear of people and of economic insecurity will leave us. We will intuitively know how to handle situations which used to baffle us.

We will suddenly realize that God is doing for us what we could not do for ourselves.

~ from the book Alcoholics Anonymous

We are helpless to really engineer our own eternal salvation.

We needed a great spiritual Ninja Magus Alchemical King of Kings to get the job done, and the amazing thing about him is that he presents as a helpful friend, even a gentle and humble helpful friend, never "lorded" it over anyone, but instead became the suffering servant.

reply to post by NewAgeMan

Your typing a whole lot but your not really saying anything.

The questions you make seem to imply that the problem is man while glossing over and turning a blind eye to the holes in your theory, again.

Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

~ Philippians 2:5-11

reply to post by NewAgeMan

So your back to making claims like

We needed a great spiritual Ninja Magus Alchemical King of Kings to get the job done,

and the only thing you have to offer as proof are quotes from the bible and the Alcoholics Anonymous book and a video of the Platters' "Only you"?

That should clear things up for anyone who wasn't sure what you were talking about.

Originally posted by daskakik

Can you recognize, at the very least, the magnitude of the genius involved simply in Jesus' anticipation of his fate and his turning of that corporate attempted murder into a great triumph, while working within a very specific timeline know even years in advance? On this note, however, when he was being tossed around from Cephias to Pilate and back, that within that flux even Jesus was at the mercy of his faith and a fated destiny.. do you know what I'm getting at?

You have not even proven that a historical Jesus existed, so whatever magnitude of genius you want to try to place on him has nothing to hang on.

After everything we've covered, this tells me, and the reader, just about everything we need to know about your participation in this thread as a self professed atheist.

reply to post by NewAgeMan

You make the claims and I weigh in on the proof you offer to back up those claims. It isn't my fault that the proof you offer isn't up to par.

Your reply tells us just how blind you need the reader to be to place any faith in your theory.

reply to post by daskakik


Then I will prove with a contextual criticism of the gospels within the framework of history, that indeed there was a lunar eclipse on the day of the cross, bookending Jesus' Great Work at that precise moment in history. I will also demonstrate how an error arose in the gospel text, who's presence only serves to further validate the former as an actual historical event, one that I purport is also of great meaning and significance.

How Jesus handled it, and how it was generated in history, at all levels, then becomes the point of inquiry and investigation, to answer the question of why, and what does it really mean and signify, as it was intended ie: at a point of reconciliation and atonement, of reunification and reintegration for the entire human family, even if only as a possibility, actualized in history, and not just human history, cosmic history, according to the cosmologically unique earth-moon-sun configuration, which Jesus interpreted and then employed, as part of the tableau, what I've also speculated is a type of ancient cosmological theodolite (lens), in this case the shadow of the earth blocking the perfect (lunar) reflection of the sun. I purport that Jesus employed this knowledge, as a trained Magus, and who read the signs, signs pointing to him, as depicted in my avatar and background (conjunction of Jupiter and Venus, at conception, and lunar eclipse at the half-life).

Again, within this context, how he handled it, also encoded in my avatar (via da Vinci's "The Last Supper"), is a real marvel, and in the painting his right hand reaching for more to the utter astonishment and horrified dismay of the disciple to his left (our right), is one of entitlement (right hand) in knowledge that the cross and death cannot have the last word and must be prevented from doing so, but only in accordance with faith in God as a first/last cause, even as a fated destiny (remember when he was in flux tossed back and forth between Cephias and Pilate?).

He escapes the box of the room of pandemonium, which in perspective takes the shape of a cross with the table signifying the horizontal beam, with his bride at his right hand (along side), and then into a domain (distant foothills), on behalf of everyone, including himself last (where the last are first and the first last) of absolute freedom/liberation and bliss and the right to self determination, free will and personal enjoyment, without which the whole circle of life isn't complete (full moon at crucifixion signifying a whole life).

Going back to the avatar, the hidden "dawn" behind his Santa hat's ball, that signifies the kingdom of heaven, and the sphere of purple, isn't quite complete where it meets his head. That's our job, that's what he left for us to do, and without which the Great Great Work of all Ages isn't complete. But when we complete the circle of joy and then know it, then the deeper meaning becomes apparent, so the avatar sits atop the universe, with heaven already realized, even though the horror of the cross and the three days are still yet to come, also signified by the blood-red moon, to rise, with Jesus already on the cross, confounding his enemies in more ways than one!

It's a triumphant liberation, but a shared one, not a selfish one. It gave all and got it all and then gave again and received still more - a wellspring of heaven, but only when it's recognized, and communicated.

A free gift of incalculable value freely given because of love.

It's the reason for faith, and the knowledge of God.

It's also not without a stinging and playful sense of humor at the expense of the worst aspects of our own human ignorance, so the one who understands laughs out loud and get's the joke in the space of newfound freedom and the increased awareness that it generates ie: as a light in the darkness. It's like a double bind that's capable of leaving the devil behind while having one's own sense of humor and charm restored even at the devil's expense and by devil I mean our darker, hidden nature, which can't hide from this kind of light, so a person is left with little options and little choice but to either laugh, or scowl.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


You do realize that the people who killed him then subsequently released his "true" story were pagan and worshiped the sun, right? Rome was pagan and based its mythology around the movement of planets, stars, and constellations, right? Wouldn't it be a more logical conclusion to assume that pagans inserted these pagan themes into the story to dilute his true message? I'm guessing not...

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Yes, but I'm saying the historical dating of events lines up with the phenomenon itself (which can be tracked back to the very day, coinciding with the Jewish Preparation Day using Astronomy Software), and that therefore it was Jesus who employed it, unless it was a mere coincidence.. but I don't think so. There was also only one such lunar eclipse visible during the governorship of Pontias Pilate, and one that corresponds to a 33 year old person to the other bookend in the form of the birth related signs. And it would be the only one in generations which rose on the horizon already entering into the lunar eclipse phase, which can last up to a few hours (clue for future info to follow)

There's also something rather interesting and unique about the Earth Moon Sun configuration that I think Jesus also employed as a logical fulcrum pointing to the relationship between a human observer and God as the first/last case or "father" of creation, whereby everything was made by the father for the son because of love.

"...love them, as you loved me from before the foundation of the world."
~ from the Garden of Gethsemane


Please keep an open mind that's all I ask.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


I do have an open mind, as open as it gets. Your theory just doesn't hold any water, unless of course you already believe the bible is 100% true to begin with.

Since I believe these pagan themes were inserted into the story after Jesus' death, I think your theory is baseless. No one can even agree when Jesus was born much less exactly when he died. Your theory is based entirely around the idea that all the details of the story are fact, which is illogical.

Those who run the world would NEVER let the ultimate truth out, otherwise they would lose their power over the people. The question is, if those who run the world are evil and have been for all of history (Rome is at the top of that list btw), then why in the world would they let the actual "truth" propagate for over 2,000 years? It goes completely against their track record before and after Jesus, so why did they legalize it then start killing people who didn't convert?

The biblical story of Jesus (virgin birth, miracles, & resurrection) was Rome's way of manipulating people to do what they desired, just like the MSM does today. The bible that was put together by Constantine is nothing but a propaganda piece utilized in those times to control the masses. They knew people wouldn't just worship a regular guy with a high IQ, so they added in those three things to make him look extra-human, thus tricking the (illiterate and poor) people into worshiping him, thus worshiping the "mouth-piece" of god, a.k.a. the church. If they did exactly as the church said they'd have eternal life, but if not eternal torture. What better way of controlling people than by threatening them with hell fire if they refused?

The biblical account of Jesus can be compared to a summer blockbuster movie that is based on a true story where the movie-makers added in a bit of their own thing to make it that much more unbelievable. The only difference? People don't kill you if you don't believe the movie 100% true, Constantine (Christianity) did.

reply to post by NewAgeMan

Yes, but I'm saying the historical dating of events lines up with the phenomenon itself (which can be tracked back to the very day, coinciding with the Jewish Preparation Day using Astronomy Software), and that therefore it was Jesus who employed it, unless it was a mere coincidence.. but I don't think so.

It has been what you have been trying to do for 32 pages but you are not proving anything. Sure the choir chimes in and tells you what a good job you have done proving your premise but they are not objective enough to see the flaws.

There is the moment when a leap of faith is made to both believe the story is real and that it actually happened as told.

The fact that Herod died in 4 BCE shows that all conclusions that have come from the astronomy software is off. Since everything you have offered is based on those conclusions then you really don't have anything solid to back up your claims.

reply to post by daskakik


Herod Antipas was the son of Herod the Great and died sometime after 39 AD. It's easy to confuse the two.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Actually I am referring to the information on bethlehemstar.net which is what much of this thread is based on:

The Magi presumably described the timing of events starting in September of 3 BC and continuing through June of 2 BC. Herod sent them to Bethlehem in search of the child with orders that they return to tell where he was.

Since the bible tells that after realizing that the Magi were not going to return to tell him where the new born king was, Herod the great ordered the death of all males two and under.

This does not line up with what is accepted as Herod's date of death:

Josephus tells us that Herod died after a lunar eclipse. He gives an account of events between this eclipse and his death, and between his death and Passover. A partial eclipse took place on March 13, 4 BCE, about 29 days before Passover, and this eclipse is usually taken to be the one referred to by Josephus. There were however three other, total, eclipses around this time, and there are proponents of both 5 BCE– with two total eclipses, and 1 BCE.

So if the astronomical software shows the star of Bethlehem shining between September 3 BC through June of 2 BC Herod the Great would not have been alive to direct the Magi and order the killing of the innocents.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

The reports suggest that Jesus survived the ordeal and was released from Joseph of Arimathea's tomb after the three days, and that in interacting with his friends, thereafter, employed the art of disguise while revealing signs of being entirely human, like having a hunger to eat, along with wounds still on the mend.

Regarding his skillful nature, prior to the fated day, he was also known to easily slip through crowds who were preparing to grab him or stone him, while saying "sorry, my hour has not yet come".

These things indicate a certain ingenuity on the part of Jesus as one who knew what he was doing and who set out to intentionally drive circumstances in a certain direction while at the same time intentionally fulfilling all the prophecies.

Luke 24

Jesus Has Risen
24 On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. 2 They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, 3 but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. 4 While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them. 5 In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, “Why do you look for the living among the dead? 6 He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: 7 ‘The Son of Man must be delivered over to the hands of sinners, be crucified and on the third day be raised again.’ ” 8 Then they remembered his words.

9 When they came back from the tomb, they told all these things to the Eleven and to all the others. 10 It was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the others with them who told this to the apostles. 11 But they did not believe the women, because their words seemed to them like nonsense. 12 Peter, however, got up and ran to the tomb. Bending over, he saw the strips of linen lying by themselves, and he went away, wondering to himself what had happened.

On the Road to Emmaus
13 Now that same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles[a] from Jerusalem. 14 They were talking with each other about everything that had happened. 15 As they talked and discussed these things with each other, Jesus himself came up and walked along with them; 16 but they were kept from recognizing him.

17 He asked them, “What are you discussing together as you walk along?”

They stood still, their faces downcast. 18 One of them, named Cleopas, asked him, “Are you the only one visiting Jerusalem who does not know the things that have happened there in these days?”

19 “What things?” he asked.

“About Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people. 20 The chief priests and our rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him; 21 but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And what is more, it is the third day since all this took place. 22 In addition, some of our women amazed us. They went to the tomb early this morning 23 but didn’t find his body. They came and told us that they had seen a vision of angels, who said he was alive. 24 Then some of our companions went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but they did not see Jesus.”

25 He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” 27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.

28 As they approached the village to which they were going, Jesus continued on as if he were going farther. 29 But they urged him strongly, “Stay with us, for it is nearly evening; the day is almost over.” So he went in to stay with them.

30 When he was at the table with them, he took bread, gave thanks, broke it and began to give it to them. 31 Then their eyes were opened and they recognized him, and he disappeared from their sight. 32 They asked each other, “Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?”

reply to post by daskakik


You're right, it was supposedly Herod the Great who ordered the killing of the babies. That's interesting, I always thought of him as Herod Antipas. Surely they wouldn't leave something THAT obvious in the story, would they?