New Crop Circle: UK - Looks Great ! - Makes Compass Go Crazy - July 25, 2012

Originally posted by PhoenixOD


Believe me i wish they weren't fakes

All that takes is changing the way you think and consider things. No one can do that for you.

Not all crop circles are of unknown in origin.
But most crop circles are not man-made.

Some of these can be a design of nature where we simply do not understand how that can be possible. But if you look at a Sunflower close up, nature is master of all art and design. That is just one consideration.

This isn't some new phase or fad where stupid people are chasing their tails because it's the in thing to do because of the mystique surrounding this. People have been researching this for 20 years. Longer than some of you have been here on Earth! People aren't that desperate to want to believe something or that dumb not to know the difference for THAT long!

These designs have been scientifically tested and most come back defying our understanding of nature/science.

Plus, you're giving Humans way too much credit in their talent and athleticism to replicate some of these designs.

Change the way you think. It will improve your experience of life ten-fold!

Originally posted by Phage

"Tim Carson talks about seeds from mature crops getting ground into the soil by trampling. In the situation where slugs eat the seeds and then are there to eat that pattern in the new seed, the ghost appears in new crop. But this looks like it’s just the pattern sprouting and in not new growth. Could it be those ground in seeds sprouting?"

Ok so I'll bite on that one:
not after the rows have been disrupted by the tiller without any distortion to the shape. anything better than that?

reply to post by CiAlice


One thing ATS has taught me is that on many subjects people will believe what they want to believe despite evidence or statistical data to the contrary. Personally I think everyone has the right to believe what ever they like as long as it isn't a danger to other people.

However when believers of whatever theory or belief post aformentioned beliefs into a public forum they shouldn't get upset when other people with differing beliefs attempt to challenge those beliefs.

reply to post by bottleslingguy

not after the rows have been disrupted by the tiller without any distortion to the shape. anything better than that?

Got an example?

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reply to post by Human_Alien

I really and honestly have a sad spot in my heart (or chakra...can't decide where it emanates from) for people like you who are truly clueless and closed off from reality.

Spare me. Please.

And please try to stay on topic.

Originally posted by Hopeforeveryone
reply to post by CiAlice

 

One thing ATS has taught me is that on many subjects people will believe what they want to believe despite evidence or statistical data to the contrary. Personally I think everyone has the right to believe what ever they like as long as it isn't a danger to other people.

However when believers of whatever theory or belief post aformentioned beliefs into a public forum they shouldn't get upset when other people with differing beliefs attempt to challenge those beliefs.

Generic fluffiness. Appreciate the effort though.

Phage's statement of ALL crop circles being man-made is a testament to how lazy and general this site has become as of late. I mean, just look at all the one-liners Phage has made in this thread alone. You mean to tell me in the entire history of this planet, there hasn't been ONE freak tornado, lightning bolt, random growth, etc., that hasn't naturally produced a crop circle?

Unless Phage meant to say, "All crop circles that are visually/mathematically complex and/or have some tangible meaning are man made." This statement can be backed up with proof, but to basically say that all crops circles on Earth in the history of ever, regardless of meaning or complexity, are man-made, is, in layman's terms, stupid.

Originally posted by CiAlice

Originally posted by Hopeforeveryone
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One thing ATS has taught me is that on many subjects people will believe what they want to believe despite evidence or statistical data to the contrary. Personally I think everyone has the right to believe what ever they like as long as it isn't a danger to other people.

However when believers of whatever theory or belief post aformentioned beliefs into a public forum they shouldn't get upset when other people with differing beliefs attempt to challenge those beliefs.

Generic fluffiness. Appreciate the effort though.

Well, do i get points for being polite at least

No point arguing with believers, state your case and move on - same goes for non-believers. No point getting worked up about it.

Originally posted by CiAlice

Originally posted by Human_Alien

I really and honestly have a sad spot in my heart (or chakra...can't decide where it emanates from) for people like you who are truly clueless and close off from reality. I don't mean that as an attack. Just as a general description of my impression of you.

Phage, are so stuck in this pragmatic, sterile, systematic, concise, predictable, unyielding and rigid iron box, that Truth can't possibly penetrate even if it wanted to. And you're unwillingness to step out from it only makes it sadder.

Then why in Heavens Gate do you unceasingly argue with him? Why not find a solid mass wall and butt it?

At least you'd get a fashionably flat head instead of a nonsensical exchange.

I don't argue. I question. If I wasn't curious about certain things, I wouldn't be on a forum and probably playing guitar instead.
But thanks for your Dr Phil-like suggestion just the same

Hey, I got a better idea! Don't read my posts cause I'm not going anywhere.

To be honest i do believe that a lot are man made, But, Some of them are so impressive and accurate and HUGE, I find it hard to believe that all of them are man made.

Does anybody here have a theory on how UFO's or any other kind of phenomenon could possibly make them? Ruling out the microwave theory as i find that quite ridiculous...

If these tests on the soil have been proven to show extreme heat where is the proof of this?

And with the change to the wheat itself i am quite sure that cannot be caused by a bit of string, Measuring tape, Plan and a bit of wooden board...

Also why isn't there any documentary's or video's of one of the spectacularly big one's shown being done in the dark with a time limit attached to the video or has there been any of these made?

Plus, you're giving Humans way too much credit in their talent and athleticism to replicate some of these designs.

reply to post by Human_Alien


This is where we disagree entirely. I used to do a lot of technical drawing and used to spend hours and hours making all these complex designs that you see in crop circles with just a set of compass , a ruler and a calculator. Once you understand how to work correctly with Pi (3.142 etc) its amazingly easy to make these design very quickly. I understand that they look amazingly complex but believe me they are VERY simple when you know how. The guys making the design in the fields know how..its really not rocket science just very basic maths. To scale it up you just need a tape measure , some rope and a few friends to help with the stomping.

You really dont give humans enough credit. I know card tricks that are far harder to setup and execute

Also lets not forget the snow circles that this guy Simon Beck makes on his own (with a bad knee). Much larger and more complex than most crop circles you ever see.

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reply to post by SonicInfinity

Got any evidence for a naturally produced circle? Being precise here. Not talking about randomly flattened areas, a circular formation of flattened vegetation caused by natural forces. I'd be fascinated to see it.

reply to post by Phage


If you're being precise, I don't have a problem with your argument. You just need to state more clearly what you believe defines a crop circle. I'd have to spend some time finding them, but there were a few cases of rough crop circles that were formed by simple growth problems or very strong winds in a certain spot.

If you're definition of a crop circle is "complex and/or with meaning", then your argument is a valid position to take.

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Got any evidence for a naturally produced circle?

I have ....

The storms about this part of Surrey have been lately local and violent, and the effects produced in some in-stances curious. Visiting a neighbour's farm on Wednesday evening (21st), we found a field of standing wheat considerably knocked about, not as an entirety, but in patches forming, as viewed from a distance, circular spots.

Examined more closely, these all presented much the same character, viz., a few standing stalks as a centre, some prostrate stalks with their heads arranged pretty evenly in a direction forming a circle about the centre, and outside these a circular wall of stalks which had not suffered.
www.science-frontiers.com...

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Cool.
I stand corrected..or not.

Capron thought the nearly perfect circles of crop damage bespoke cyclonic wind damage

How "nearly" I wonder. "As viewed from a distance".