OP/ED: Man who beheaded dog sentenced to 25 years to life

I think the sick sh-- got what he had coming. Anyone who would do this to an animal (especially a domesticated one) would probably do it to a human, as well. Not only do I think he got what he had coming, but I think he got off light. He should have been beheaded just the way he beheaded that innocent dog. I feel much more compassion for the dog than I do this sick f---.

We raise dogs/cats/whatever as partners in our life. They learn to depend on us and TRUST us to return the compassion they give to us. They are innocent and only want our approval. To behead an animal over a fight with a boyfriend/girfriend is cruel and sick.

If you can't understand this, then you sound very self-serving and void of compassion yourself. I think we Humans are the most cruel and thoughtless of all the animals (yes, we are animals, too); other animals kill for food - we do it for sport.

I don't pity the man at all ...

I think the guy should have got a pretty harsh punishment but when it's more time than say manslaughter or murder 2 something seems out of line.
I also would think that the felon is showing psychopathic tendencies so maybe that's why the punishment is so unbelieveable.

doctorduh

[edit on 10-10-2004 by doctorduh]

I love animals as much as the next person, I mean, I'm not a fan of animal cruelty, but that's a bit harsh for killing a dog.

I'm also not a fan of the three-strikes law.

anyone who is cruel to any animal should be shoot. - always easy to take out the blame on a defencless animal - hope he roots in the cell for eternity.

Letting someoen out with those kind of mental disorders is also rediculous -lock them away and forget them!!!!!

- wtf is this world coming too??

Originally posted by Indy
I agree with Esoterica. You want to know how cows are slaughtered? Its just as bad as what that guy did to the dog. They cut the throat of the cow and let it choke to death on its own blood.

Actually, they have a big needle gun. Point the gun at the cows head, pull the trigger. Cows dead before it even knows it.

Originally posted by Ouroboros
I love animals as much as the next person, I mean, I'm not a fan of animal cruelty, but that's a bit harsh for killing a dog.

I'm also not a fan of the three-strikes law.

Untill there are more harsh convictions....these types of crimes will continue. I personally feel that rape, animal abuse, and child molestation should all be just that harsh! It's abusing the innocent that can't defend themselves.

Wow I have to say I am surprised at some of the responses in this thread.

Reading it has forced to re-evaluate my opinion of some of the members here.

Im not going to name names but some people here should be ashamed of themselves.

Anyways Good thread by the author, if for nothing more than than the repplies it got. Gave me an idea of what sort of people we have here.

Very enlightening I must say.

Guys look...i aint apologising to anyone here...ive seen worse and im not retracting anything ive written.

Yeah..the guy killed a dog
Yeah..the guy is in jail now
yeah..its a horrible crime

but it aint the first animal crime and sure wont be the last.

As for my writer/scholar status...i worked for them and they have nothing to do with this discussion...its personal opinions.

BTW...im female...we really need to get little symbols or something for the username thing.

Im not self important..hell im a pain in the a** for a few people on board here....but im honest about it ok...we deal and move on or we suffer and grieve...

that is terrible, killing a dog as it was named his girlfriend after they had a fight. to me, that is a sign that the guy has a bad temper.

i guess there is a chance it could have been worse, like, if there was kid or something you never know, he could have vented anger out in that way. although i dont really want to think about that

hopefully in jail, he learns how bad it was and learns from his mistake

rynaldo

They shoulda Photo Shopped a picture of Zarqawi doing his girlfriend, and then turned him loose in Fallujah. Two birds with one stone, you see.

Or are birds considered cute?

Originally posted by jsobecky
They shoulda Photo Shopped a picture of Zarqawi doing his girlfriend, and then turned him loose in Fallujah. Two birds with one stone, you see.

Or are birds considered cute?

OMG that is so so wrong.

Better use of his anger instead of killing a dog. Jesus Christ.

Originally posted by Ocelot
Wow I have to say I am surprised at some of the responses in this thread.

Reading it has forced to re-evaluate my opinion of some of the members here.

Im not going to name names but some people here should be ashamed of themselves.

Anyways Good thread by the author, if for nothing more than than the repplies it got. Gave me an idea of what sort of people we have here.

Very enlightening I must say.

Thanks you, and indeed.

This thread has not gone where I wanted it to. Please keep discussion on topic, and no personal insults

Originally posted by MacKiller
Sure, cows are cute! That does not mean that I don't like beef.

I have to disagree. Cows are NOT cute. Neither are llamas.

I was chased into a river by a cow while I was fishing, and chased by a llama at a petting zoo. It wanted my bag of sunflower seeds.

My kids still won't let me live it down.

Okay, we're all in some form of agreement: if it's an animal the the General Public thinks has a 'Cute Factor', then it's okay to cry and sob it's demise.
Well, as long as the CF outweighs the NF [Nuisance Factor: see Animal Control].
And we've got folks complaining this guy's gonna get 25 for pulling a Iraqui terror move on his German Shep named after his ex-wife.

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Uh, can we look at a bit of clarity here?

1). He hacked the poor dog's head off, not because it was a dog, but because it was named after his ex - wife. That's showing some level of repressed anger at the human, not the dog. This is NOT considered by most psychologists as a Good Sign.

2). Furthermore, the whole case of animal cruelty. Yeah, I don't think it's okay to kill, torture, or maim any animal purely because we have thumbs and tools and can do so better than the animal itself could; to bring in the methods used to produce food is.. well, it cheapens the argument. If you're a vegan, all well and good, but also hypocritical.

This case was straight meanness to a critter that (a) wasn't being used for food [yes, I have a firm belief in Genesis 1:12 when it comes to food grade critters, and euthanizing the way they kill critters in the shelter poisons the meat]; and (b) was slain in a representative way to promote violence against another human.
That alone, IMHO, is just the sign of a truly disturbed mind.

3). If he'd do that on his spare time to a dog, what would /could he do to someone on the street... what if this clown hadn't been brought in for the dog, and moved on to representing his displaced aggression on prostitutes that looked like his former mate?
Then would you be saying 'it's okay, they were only prostitutes?'
Man can keep their cuddly pets as kings, and treat their fellow humans like animals. Damn, what's next?

4). IMHO, this boyo's disturbed, and we'll be giving him three hots and a cot for torturing a dog. Hmm. Why not give him a job with Halliburton and ship him to Iraq? He'll either:

(a)get filthy rich and come back with money to throw in his ex's face.
(b) get picked up by the millitant of the day and Karma will serve a harsh lesson.

If you're down for the furries/scalies/featheries/etc., we'll all hope for the second one.
AND it'll be cheaper for we Americans in the long run to do this - he either becomes a productive member of society, or he gets executed and the taxpayer isn't covering all of it to let him rot in a cell... you decide.

Don't mean to make light of an ugly situation, but we need to pull ourselves back in and look at the REAL issue at hand... or al least, we should.

Was it wrong for him to do this? Damn Skippy, it was.

Should he be punished? Sure as #, Sherlock.

Should the dog's parents get compensation?

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YOU answer that one. I've got coffee to finish.



[edit on 10-10-2004 by RavenCat13]

[edit on 10-10-2004 by RavenCat13]

Originally posted by rynaldo82
that is terrible, killing a dog as it was named his girlfriend after they had a fight. to me, that is a sign that the guy has a bad temper.

I'd have to conclude that he has disposition worse than a bad temper. It was mentioned earlier in this thread, about some infamous serial killers that had the tendency to kill and dismember animals when they (the killers) were younger, before they became serial murderers.

This guy has the potential to take a human life in the same manner that he took the dog's. I must agree that the sentence is a bit harsh, but then again, it's my belief that the population is safe from this psycho with the sentencing he recieved.

I own a German Shepherd and my dog is about as harmless as hamless can get. He will bark an alert, but he's not vicious and shouldn't be subjected to this type cruelty.

Anyone killing a pet in this manner should be locked away in a padded room somewhere, if you ask me. In jail, other prisoners may be at risk of his psychotic attitude towards life.

[edit on 10/10/04 by Intelearthling]

MMMMMMMMM

Now this is sick................yer a bloke kill's a dog, thats really bad...........


But he gets 25 years for it............right ?

Send him to Jail/Prison best place for him, let the other prisoner's get hold of him and give him a ................ good kicking etc

BUT


You get Prev's messing around with our kid's, rapist's, sex-offender etc etc that get alot less than that and are back out on our streets doing their sick things................over and over again

I know of someone who committed murder, nearly cut another blokes head off, he got 5 years in prison for it. The victims family have lost a great son and myself a dam good friend, we have to put up with a life sentence but he's already walking around again..............

It's simple.............THE LAW IS AN ASS

I get the feeling that some of us are ignoring that he only got the sentence of 25+ years because of the 3-strike law. If not for a 3rd strike, he would have gotten 6 years or less. Probably less. So, he's not serving all this time because of the dog. It's because he's a repeated offender.

Now, I'm not a "3-strikes fan" either. It's too black & white. But, in this case, I have no mercy. I hope he rots in jail. I think the 6 max years should be increased to even more time for future murderers of defenseless animals. Someone who would do this deserves a harsh sentence, and a considerable amount of time to think about what they've done ...

Originally posted by Ocelot
Wow I have to say I am surprised at some of the responses in this thread.

Reading it has forced to re-evaluate my opinion of some of the members here.

I feel the same way....I have now learned whom I will be more apt to ignore in the future....I "hate" no one. It's tales too much energy to hate someone, energy that I can best use elsewhere....but, there are people IRL that I will not associate myself with at all, due to my own personal set of standards....there are some that, if I wouldn't associate myself with them IRL, I see no reason to on an internet BB either. The way "I" see it...and the way I set standards for myself.....is this: I can most certainly handle differences of religion, and politics, as they don't really show the deepest layer of ones character. They are due to many things through out that persons life....but when it comes to ones views on animal welfare, that's another story altogether. Views on the humane treatment of the creatures we share our homes and planet with, show an awfully lot about ones deepest layers, their character, what their made of...it's like my view of hunting, and I am not trying to turn this into a hunting debate, but simply trying to show my views and reasoning's on it .....it's not hunting "per say" that I am so adamantly against. If my children were starving, I would kill for food....but most hunters do not hunt for food, yeah, they eat what they hunt, some of them...but that's not why they hunt....they hunt because they like the kill...many hunters spend a bundle on hunting equipment...it's expensive, we have grocery stores now days....my personal problem comes from the person hunting having the type of mentality that enjoys stalking down a living creature to kill it...that's my problem...it's a character issue...and to end this, I'm saying that "for me" a person's views about animals/pets............show me the type of person they are!


[edit on 10/11/2004 by LadyV]

Originally posted by spacedoubt
No need for that. I have 3 dogs, and 2 cats. If Dog=human, then I am doing my part.

Maybe we should arrest the people at the animal shelters? They kill plenty of 4-legged "people".

OR, maybe we should put homeless humans to "sleep"?. You know, let them stay for 4 weeks or so, allow others to adopt them, if that doesn't happen, we could just gas them, right?
Which would be better in your world?

Major applause for cutting through this touchy-feely pro-animal fanaticism that's devoid of any logic (but that's okay, when people argue they can just accuse them of being "inhumane")

Originally posted by HeirToBokassa
when people argue they can just accuse them of being "inhumane")

Call me stupid or whatever you like...but that makes no sense to me at all!