10 key points of evidence that point to a conspiracy in the Batman/Colorado shooting

I have no desire for this to be a conspiracy, I wish this never happened, and I wish we never had to question events like this, but thanks to our deceptive world leaders we do have to do that. For you to say I just want to make this a conspiracy is your attempt to undermine my arguments, you haven't even made any thought out counter points, it just seems as if your trying to derail people from having a real desire to look into the questions I have asked.

Originally posted by Epirus
Give it a rest, not everything is a conspiracy. Sometimes people just do bad things and there is no rhyme or reason that you can understand. Just because you can't make sense of it doesn't mean it's a conspiracy.

1.) I could have easily obtained multiple credit cards while in college putting my max over 25k, they would have had horrible rates and been really stupid but it was for sure an option and this point makes no sense.

2.) Wittnesses are wrong a lot of the time...just look at how many cases that were based on circumstancial evidence and witness testimony have been over turned thanks to DNA evidence. You're basing your suspician on 2 people you know nothing about?

3.) I don't know enough about this as I haven't read anything about it so I can't weigh in.

4.) *2 suspects running in black - can't argue that's weird but could have been falsly reported.
*Interesting, could it have been after the shooting and 3 friends were dragging their friend to their car to rush him to the hospital? I don't know the timeframe as I haven't listened to the audio but perhaps the reports were from that.
*This is pretty standard in a large event like this where over 50 people were injured. You set up a base nearby and get the injured there as quick as possible because it's hard to have 30+ ambulances show up in a timely fashion and it's just as hard for the hospital to find room for them on top of their regular overhead especially at 12. The life threatening injuries were sent to the hospital. Hence the injured(majority) sent to the care base while the others(minority) were sent to the hospital.
*Could be false report or quick judgement based on someone fleeing the theatre.

5.) I wouldn't want to talk to the media after this hellish incident and I'm sure others wouldn't want to either. What an assumption sitting in your nice comfy chair typing this up and assuming everyone would be in your comfort state after experiencing a hellish experience in which you will most likely not ever have to endure on any level near them.

6.) Read what you wrote...A science rockstar and nerd with nothing but time on his hands couldn't figure out how to do this? You just want this to be a conspiracy theory at this point. Wow...

7.) Keyword "Rumours" kinda like assumptions made in your post will become.

8.) Officials are blood suckers and try to push political agendas from every major event...always...period.

9.) He didn't need to stay off the radar he had a small window before he was on the radar and that's all he cared about. He had no criminal background or anything...

10.) A lot of this has to do more with over-zealous reporting than conspiracy. Remember at first he was reported as a 40 some year old tea-party member? I guess that was a part of the conspiracy too? No you don't think so because it doesn't work into your theory so you accept it as bad reporting.

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When the police arrived I believe he was holding a shotgun and confessed. I believe he had one pistol on his person also and that there was one in the car.

With all the unarmed civilians being killed by cops, anyone else wondering why a heavily armed suspect fleeing a crimescene is not even shot at ?

Have someone seen stretchers coming out of the cinema?

I haven't seen one.

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Not really. He surrendered and didn't make any threatening moves. I think the cop that found him thought he was SWAT for a few seconds too.

Yeah. I don't think the money he's supposed to have spent is anything. Couldn't he have just bought these items on credit or something?

I think something stinks here but we need to look for things that truly are unmistakably suspicious. The photos of the gas mask are definitely interesting considering they say he was wearing it when arrested.

Originally posted by BrianFlanders
Yeah. I don't think the money he's supposed to have spent is anything. Couldn't he have just bought these items on credit or something?

I think something stinks here but we need to look for things that truly are unmistakably suspicious. The photos of the gas mask are definitely interesting considering they say he was wearing it when arrested.

I agree about keeping an eye on it. Something may come to light that changes my mind, but at this point it just seems that it is what it is.

The gas mask was probably taken off after he was arrested. May have been chucked by the cops or the suspect. Who knows? Not a biggy for me.

thats another thing all there is, is that one video of the brother in the stripped shirt walking out covered in blood escorted by the cop, thats all there is! to me that video is a little over the top ie. the bloodied man coming out the front door, and then a group of bystandards charging out the doors.

Originally posted by D1ss1dent
Have someone seen stretchers coming out of the cinema?

I haven't seen one.

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The points you bring up hold no merit. I'm not trying to derail anything, I promote logic and critical thinking while you jump to conclusions. Look at other cases and the early evidence involved mixed with the early reporting. They are always vague, full of assumptions and lack facts in the beginning but they aren't all conspiracies. You are just focusing on this particular case so heavily that you are noticing the things that exist in many other cases which are not conspiracies but since you didn't pay attention to them you are ignorant to the reality.

Yah but the evidence tag was down, its critical to an investigation to know where key pieces of evidence fell naturally, it allows them to reconstruct the crime, and its even more suspect that with rumours of a second perp they would move it or even pick it up, I think they call that tampering with evidence.

Originally posted by Domo1

Originally posted by BrianFlanders
Yeah. I don't think the money he's supposed to have spent is anything. Couldn't he have just bought these items on credit or something?

I think something stinks here but we need to look for things that truly are unmistakably suspicious. The photos of the gas mask are definitely interesting considering they say he was wearing it when arrested.

I agree about keeping an eye on it. Something may come to light that changes my mind, but at this point it just seems that it is what it is.

The gas mask was probably taken off after he was arrested. May have been chucked by the cops or the suspect. Who knows? Not a biggy for me.

I based all my points on factual information available to me at that the time I put it together and anything I didn't have information to back up I made it clear to the reader, did I not?

Originally posted by Epirus
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The points you bring up hold no merit. I'm not trying to derail anything, I promote logic and critical thinking while you jump to conclusions. Look at other cases and the early evidence involved mixed with the early reporting. They are always vague, full of assumptions and lacks facts in the beginning but they aren't all conspiracies. You are just focusing on this particular case so heavily that you are noticing the things that exist in many other cases which are not conspiracies but since you didn't pay attention to them you are ignorant to the reality.

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I think in a situation like that a lot of basic protocol goes out the window. I'm sure they would take off the mask before putting him in the car. I would. They can't very well put an evidence tag on the guys head (sadly).

Sorry I was referring to the mask found outside theatre 8 , not the one Holmes was wearing.

Originally posted by Domo1
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I think in a situation like that a lot of basic protocol goes out the window. I'm sure they would take off the mask before putting him in the car. I would. They can't very well put an evidence tag on the guys head (sadly).

Originally posted by Wewillallbefree
I based all my points on factual information available to me at that the time I put it together and anything I didn't have information to back up I made it clear to the reader, did I not?

Originally posted by Epirus
reply to post by Wewillallbefree

 

The points you bring up hold no merit. I'm not trying to derail anything, I promote logic and critical thinking while you jump to conclusions. Look at other cases and the early evidence involved mixed with the early reporting. They are always vague, full of assumptions and lacks facts in the beginning but they aren't all conspiracies. You are just focusing on this particular case so heavily that you are noticing the things that exist in many other cases which are not conspiracies but since you didn't pay attention to them you are ignorant to the reality.

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No you didn't but that's okay. I'm done with threads on this topic, people are reaching hard like Dyson of the Titans in the final play of Super Bowl XXXIV and falling way short much in the same way.


Sometimes rain comes in and ruins a perfectly sunny day and it's not because it's a conspiracy and someone made it happen. Sometimes you spill coffee on your pants before an important meeting, not because an invisible squadron of microscopic nano bots came and knocked it over...because it happens. Sometimes people commit acts of evil so horrible that no one can understand them but it's not always because there is some psy-op or insane conspiracy involving mind control, hidden assassins and a patsy.

Good luck with your jump to conclusions mat.

Originally posted by Epirus

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OT:
Haha, love the effort that has gone into that poster to only make a simple grammar error.

Fail is fail

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OT: It's from the movie Office Space(comedy) and they were trying to make it ridiculous so that's why they misspelled lose.

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OT: Ahh that makes sense

Now back on topic!

I fear even if the public were told the TRUTH about the shooting, it will be split 50/50 anyway.
Just like all the other major civilian attacks;
World Trade Towers, London Transit and Japan EQ.

So it is almost a pointless debate as no-one here on the forums are in any position of power to do anything about it anyway.

The worst thing we can do is do/say nothing, the one thing we are able to do is educate people, get information/opinions out there and hope we can open some eyes.

Originally posted by Sovaka
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OT: Ahh that makes sense

Now back on topic!

I fear even if the public were told the TRUTH about the shooting, it will be split 50/50 anyway.
Just like all the other major civilian attacks;
World Trade Towers, London Transit and Japan EQ.

So it is almost a pointless debate as no-one here on the forums are in any position of power to do anything about it anyway.

Originally posted by Wewillallbefree
The worst thing we can do is do/say nothing, the one thing we are able to do is educate people, get information/opinions out there and hope we can open some eyes.

While your sentiment is sound and correct.
Unfortunately, you are preaching to the choir!

You need to be vocal to people OUTSIDE of this community.

It amuses me... This community in general complains when people talk and talk without action. Then when a group of people take action (IE Occupy Movement), the same community complains that they are giving the community a bad name and should just go home.
They're damned if they do, and they're damned if they don't.

So whats your plan of attack on this subject? Confer with your community brothers and sisters then do what...
Talk to your real life friends and family and then do what...

Talk is nothing without action. Yes, someone has to start the action rolling.

The question is, what action are YOU going to take?

Originally posted by Wewillallbefree
Sorry I was referring to the mask found outside theatre 8 , not the one Holmes was wearing.

Originally posted by Domo1
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I think in a situation like that a lot of basic protocol goes out the window. I'm sure they would take off the mask before putting him in the car. I would. They can't very well put an evidence tag on the guys head (sadly).

I was not aware that two were found. That would indeed be odd. I don't think there was more than the one though.

Originally posted by 08051962
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#1 --he had a $26,000 grant.
Not sure how grants are regulated... like if it's one big check you get... but I know to get one you apply (usually a letter detailing what you plan to do with the money) and then they give you the money.. i just don't know about if you have to follow up with reports on how you've spent the money. I don't think that's the case. If not, he could have easily used it to purchase the weapons.

But I agree with the other points.

Also, why do I hear conflicting reports: He was unemployed vs. he worked at McDonalds (which I have not heard on any news sources... just on this forum... was it a joke... ie. Ronald McDonald...LOL!?)

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He worked at Mc Donald's when he was out in California getting his Bachelor's Degree. Hope that helps.

Plus the grant is only given to the top of the top students. He was also a Golden Key Alumni and you can only get invited to become part of that Alumni. Tupoc is listed as an Alumni member.