John Moore Nibiru updates - can you afford to ignore this?

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by PlanetXisHERE

 

People say you can see Jupiter, Saturn, Mars or Venus with the naked eye - why can't we see Nibiru/Planet X? Well, Nibiru gives off light in the infrared spectrum, like billion of other objects in our universe, and is almost impossible to see with the naked eye, especially coming at us from out of the Sun.

Can you see a light bulb when turned off? Of course because it reflects light. Jupiter, Saturn, and Mars do not emit light. They all reflect light.

Well, the only rebuttal I would have would be in the case of the color BLACK. SOLID black does not reflect light.

So the OP's argument could be solid if in fact "Nibiru" was in fact black.

It would not reflect light.

However, it WOULD reflect other types of radiation other than light radiation. So that is where the argument falls flat on its face.

Look, I got sucked into the Nibiru thing two years ago. I have since taken my meds, and now I see "the light" of the fact that while there are many sources of ancient literature that supports such an entity, it is not, and can not just "sneak up on us" like those believers wish.

reply to post by PlanetXisHERE


The Kolbrin bible is a fake. It is a hoax. You fell for it.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by PlanetXisHERE

 

Well you used this directive as evidence for Nibiru in your OP. One would think that if you are willing to choose this piece of information as evidence in an OP that is scant on facts it must e pretty important. However, seeing as how you appear to be stalling I will assume that you can't provide the directive and are just another of the Nibiru sheeple.

I just used it as evidence of why we don't hear about it, not evidence of Nibiru/Planet X itself.

I honestly havent responded to any threads lately because I just cant bring myself to do it.

Now I thought all the Nibiru hype was finally over with and I can see its not. Now the question I will ask is, if "nibiru" only gives light in infared, and if it is infact suppose to be a brown dwarf how can we not see it? We have observed brown dwarfs light years away from us and also photographed them but we can't photograph this on or even find it in our own backyard. Does that make any sense to you?

reply to post by caf1550


They didnt see Plutos 4th and 5th moons til last year and this year???

Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by PlanetXisHERE

 

I will ask again. Can you provide this security directive? A description on how classifications work is not what I asked for. You made the claim that this directive exists now provide the directive.

Why is that important to you?

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As for your question regarding albedo we can look at the available data. Here is a paper on the topic.

Reflected spectra and albedos of extrasolar giant planets.

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I asked you if Nibiru didn't exist how did you know it's albedo. The paper you have referred to is about exo-planets, Nibiru is a dwarf star with a completely different chemical composition and albedo than exo-planets.

Hooooo weeee!

Okay, so you are one of those that subscribes to "Nibiru is a dwarf star."

Let's break that down:

Giant Gas giant ----> less than 15 Jupiter masses
Brown Dwarf ---> at least 15 Jupiter masses
Dwarf Star (for example wolf359) ----> has at least 75 Jupiter masses.

Which one is it? I can tell you now, even 10 Jupiter masses would be wrecking havok on the orbits of the outer planets.....if it it's approaching out of the solar plane, when it get's here? That bug out bag?

It ain't going to do you or anyone else one damn bit of good as the Earth's orbit will be changed so that we become Freeze/Bake, spiral into the sun, or get ejected from the solar system.

No bunker in the world is going to save anyone from that.

Originally posted by caf1550
I honestly havent responded to any threads lately because I just cant bring myself to do it.

Now I thought all the Nibiru hype was finally over with and I can see its not. Now the question I will ask is, if "nibiru" only gives light in infared, and if it is infact suppose to be a brown dwarf how can we not see it? We have observed brown dwarfs light years away from us and also photographed them but we can't photograph this on or even find it in our own backyard. Does that make any sense to you?

You cannot see it with the naked eye or ordinary telescopes. Yes, there are billions of objects in the universe that give off light in the IR spectrum, for which we need special imaging equipment to detect. Not to mention the fact this is coming at us from out of the Sun, where most astronomers are taught in astronomy 101 not to look.

Every time there is a solar eclipse you will find astronomers warning you to never look directly at the Sun. Even more importantly, you should not look at the Sun through a telescope unless you have a professional solar filter that covers the front of the telescope.

The Sun is very bright and by focussing the light onto the back of your eye (the retina) with or without a telescope, you are putting a lot of energy (both optical light and infra-red) onto a tiny area. At some point in your life you may have tried to set paper on fire using a magnifying glass, so just think about that being done to the back of your eye. It isn't nice. Even more scarily is the fact that the retina of your eye does not have pain receptors, so you will not even feel the damage being done. It may not even become apparent until later.

Here is the article on why astronomers shouldn't look at the Sun:

www.strudel.org.uk...

reply to post by phantomjack


This claim also runs into another problem. One of the reasons Nibiruphile say we can't see Nibiru is because it is coming from the direction of the Sun therefore the Sun's light is blocking it out. They seem to forget that this object has mass, density, etc, and as a result it would block light. So even if it didn't produce its own light and absorbed light it would still appear as a big black spot in front of the Sun that would be visible to everyone.

I've always tried to avoid the Nibiru posts, they're a little bit crazy for even my tin foil hat but jeeze Louise.

1: An object with enough mass to cause the doom and gloom the doom and gloom mongers are predicting (some might say, "Hoping for") would either be sufficiently large that it's hard to miss for even amateur astronomers or sufficiently dense that it's lensing would be obvious years before "it" swung our way.

2: Going with a small high mass object (I suppose a rogue brown dwarf fits here), where are the effects!? Honestly, where are they? Do people actually believe this thing can creep up on us then suddenly rip the planet asunder within 6 months with absolutely no cumulative effects? With 6 months to go (not even a femtosecond on the galactic scale) we would be seeing some pretty horrific effects on Earth by now. I'm not talking a bit of bad weather and the odd earthquake, I mean Armageddon type stuff. Put it to you this way, if this object was 6 months away (going on this silly 21 December date) then none of us would be typing anything on ATS! What about the lensing? Where are the astronomers screaming, "I slewed my scope to M87 and it looked weird!"

3: OK, so it probably isn't a small high mass object, which BTW would still reflect a not unnoticeable amount of light from that big light we have in the sky, you know... the SUN. Lets go with a truly HUGE object of low density. We can't go too large here, about 15 times the mass of Jupiter and we end up with a Brown Dwarf so let's go with something about the size of Jupiter with 1.5 times the mass. Jupiter itself was gazed at in 1610 by a guy with a pair of poorly ground lenses named Galileo Galilei (hey, it's a history lesson as well!). He saw Jupiter, an object SMALLER than the one we are theorising over 400 years ago! Today, with thousands of amateur astronomers out there using telescopes that can cost over 5 figures we have absolutely no proof what-so-ever that a large object is approaching our Solar System, let alone our little inconsequential planet! Of course we've ignored the effects for the sake of argument but yet again, an object of this size would be playing absolute havoc with our entire system.

reply to post by PlanetXisHERE

I disagree. If he is wrong with his dates, he will probably lose most of his newfound audience. It seems like he has much to lose.

Just as you continue to post threads about the hoax called Nibiru, so too will the loyal gullible listeners of Moore continue to follow his lies. Use any teensy weeny amount of critical thinking and it is appalling obvious that Moore is a liar. His nitwit claims about people in the military telling him classified information over a casual lunch is so funny. Who is dorky enough to believe that?

It is basic science that any planetary body with a significant magnetic/gravitational influence, with greater magnetic/gravitational forces than earth, would affect earth.

It is well established science that states that other planets do NOT cause tectonic activity on Earth. You claim is false.

Why don't the other planets affects earth? Of course they do but they have reached a state of equilibrium with earth, so unless there are changes to the orbits/magetic or gravitational state of those orbits the system remains stable. Do you understand the scientific concept of a steady state system? And what happens when a new force is introduced into that system?

False. The Moon is correlated with a rare/uncommon low intensity quakes. The claim of equilibrium is meaningless - a red herring. Do you understand the scientific method? Do you understand that the solar system is not a steady state system?

Why do you have to use the word wacko? What is your agenda in attempting to get people to ignore this and not even make the most basic preparations that would cost them little time and money if nothing happens but could possibly save their lives and those of their families if something does happen?

I use the word wacko because it is an accurate description of the situation.

1. Nibiru is a fiction made up by Sitchin
2. The properties of Nibiru made up by Sitchin are impossible
3. The effects claimed of an unknown planet do not happen such as changes in weather or quakes or animal die offs
4. No one has seen a new planet in the solar system

Making basic preparations is wacko if people are preparing for a hoax. Why waste the money and resources on preparing for a lie?

reply to post by Ophiuchus 13


Pluto's newly discovered moons are between 5 and 15 miles in diameter. They are also 39 AUs away. How does that compare to an object that is supposedly at least four times the size of Jupiter and less than one AU away?

Originally posted by Ophiuchus 13
reply to post by caf1550

 

They didnt see Plutos 4th and 5th moons til last year and this year???

edit on 7/25/12 by Ophiuchus 13 because: (no reason given)

yes.....and they were less than 15km across. Size of a city.

People are saying Nibiru is 4 Jupiter masses or bigger........

1 Jupiter is almost 140,000 km across. Now multiply that by 4.

Or 15 for a brown dwarf.

Or 75 for a dwarf star.......

reply to post by eriktheawful


Sorry, I mispoke, I believe it is a brown dwarf.

So this storm on Saturn that is tens of thousands of miles long is just a blip? And when did it start, just 18 months ago?

And the Sun has been very calm recently............./sarc

worst case scenerio those who are 3rd eye capable are sensing it feeling it and may even see it first, not to mention THOSE SAID TO TRAVERSE ON THEM (THE ANNUNAKI of course) BEING TELEPATHIC AND POSSIBLY BLOCKING THE EYE FREQUENCY ability OF MANY making it ONLY DETECTABLE BY NON EA*RTH BASED EQUIPMENTS or 3rd eye capable upgraded SOULS. And those who dont even believe in god WILL see it WHEN its time too, how they want to for some only believe what they see. NO I am not saying it NIBIRU IS REAL NOR AM I SAYING ITS FAKE. So I guess a little patience and spiritual connecting wont hurt in the mean time.

NAMASTE*******

Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
reply to post by eriktheawful

 

Sorry, I mispoke, I believe it is a brown dwarf.

So this storm on Saturn that is tens of thousands of miles long is just a blip? And when did it start, just 18 months ago?

And the Sun has been very calm recently............./sarc

It's a storm on Saturn.

Your point? (other than trying to change the subject).

Originally posted by eriktheawful

Originally posted by Ophiuchus 13
reply to post by caf1550

 

They didnt see Plutos 4th and 5th moons til last year and this year???

edit on 7/25/12 by Ophiuchus 13 because: (no reason given)

yes.....and they were less than 15km across. Size of a city.

People are saying Nibiru is 4 Jupiter masses or bigger........

1 Jupiter is almost 140,000 km across. Now multiply that by 4.

Or 15 for a brown dwarf.

Or 75 for a dwarf star.......

but they seen Elenin comming an its smaller then p4 and p5? SO AGAIN does a certain amount of debunkers in a thread signify TRUTH hidden and if so what tactic can they use to hide this secret way of talking out loud? IM JUST SAYEN FORCING TRUTH ONE WAY OR ANOTHER

reply to post by PlanetXisHERE

I believe it is a brown dwarf.

Then you should read the paper linked earlier. It addresses the albedo of brown dwarfs. Under the spectrum of the Sun, a brown dwarf would have a bond albedo similar to that of Jupiter and Neptune (Fig. 9). It would shine with reflected light from the Sun just like Jupiter does.
iopscience.iop.org...

reply to post by phantomjack

Well, the only rebuttal I would have would be in the case of the color BLACK. SOLID black does not reflect light.

There is no such material. There are close materials, but no such materials. But light does interact with surfaces that can reflect even from very dark materials. Light can reflect off surfaces if the angle of incidence is low.

I do understand the issue of light, color, and reflection.

The problem with Nibiru believers is that they are forced into invoking exotic properties to substantiate the hoax.

One thing that would not work for them is gravity. Even if it were composed of a presently unknown material that does not reflect light the gravity of the object would be detected by the known objects of the solar system deviating from their orbits. An object that is Earth sized out to 70AU would could the motions of the planets to change in a detectable way.

reply to post by PlanetXisHERE


Your own link says that astronomers can look at the Sun using solar filters. This is a fairly basic component that many amateur astronomers own. However as I pointed out in my last post it isn't really necessary. If Nibiru were in front of the Sun it would either eclipse it (like the Moon) or transit it (like Venus earlier this year). Every time one of these events occurs millions of people are able to witness it using materials from around the house. So why hasn't anybody noticed a black spot in front of the Sun? Why wasn't it present when millions were watching Venus transit the Sun just a few months ago?

This also brings up a discrepancy in the claims of Nibiruphiles. Supposedly Nibiru is causing all of the heat waves we're seeing. However if it is between the Earth and the Sun then it will be absorbing radiation coming from the Sun that would normally reach Earth. So shouldn't we actually be seeing colder temperatures than normal?

reply to post by Ophiuchus 13


Pluto is very small. Its moons are even smaller. Nibiru is supposed to be a planet.