What is a LIberal? What is a Conservative?

Liberals = its ok to be a conservative or whatever you want, its ok to have a different opinion.

Conservative = its not ok to be anything other than conservative.

reply to post by Dryson


Stop helping the government, lobbyists, SuperPACs, and corporations divide us. Lets talk about what common ground we have, not purposely generalize the labels that are already thrown around while standing on your ATS soapbox.

As a moderate I have a big problem with either group purposely going out of their way to cause trouble. You want to talk about issues? You want to talk about differences in opinion? I'm all for either, but taking the time to specifically put the conservatives down and glorify the liberals is both ignorant and insulting.

Originally posted by LDragonFire
Liberals = its ok to be a conservative or whatever you want, its ok to have a different opinion.

Conservative = its not ok to be anything other than conservative.

You as a liberal, based on your posts, do not seem to believe it is ok to be conservative. You posts indicate you feel it would be far better if all thought like you do and value equality at the expense of freedom.

God Bless,

Classically Liberalism is support of a capitalist economy with a state supplied social safety-net (welfare etc.)
Liberalism goes back to the beginning of capitalism and the industrial revolution. It was mostly a middle class, petit bourgeois, ideology, middle class guilt for the poor. It preceded socialism, that was a working class revolutionary movement for worker ownership. But by the end of WWII, and the decimation of the working class, liberalism was sold as the new socialism. The working class were sold the idea of class climbing, instead of class solidarity and working toward worker ownership, climb the social ladder and become "middle class". Middle class values, and ideas, replaced the working class socialism of pre-WWII revolutionaries.

The working class became mostly non-political, with exceptions such as the UK miners. Left wing values became more fashionable than revolutionary.

"Liberalism is not socialism and never will be" Winston Churchill, 1908, when he was the Liberal Party candidate for Dundee, Scotland. They were essentially a conservative ran party, just a little less right-wing. Winston was a Conservative politician. He was in the Conservative Party when he was Prime Minister.

Conservatism is support of a capitalist economy, and basically want to maintain traditional values of the present state. Classically an ideology of the upper classes, bourgeois, and the middle classes. If we were in a socialist economy the socialists would probably be the conservatives. The enemy LOL at present. Just kidding. No change from a system that isn't working is just fine, when you're not at the bottom of it. No really it's just fine, I can understand the fear of change, especially when you have a lot of swag to lose. I get it.