World silent as Muslim massacre goes on in Myanmar

Originally posted by CoolerAbdullah786
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

It's not propaganda. It's fact. If there are atrocities against Christians being ignored then enlighten people! Make your own post about it. Don't whine when I make a post about this and bring up an issue that is widely ignored.

And there is no "Islamic war machine" in Africa. You wanna come here and label things "propaganda"? Pot, meet kettle.

Tell that to all the christians being murdered, burned in their churches or homes at the hands of muslims pushing Jihad. Only difference between an extremist and a moderate is extremists want to kill nonmuslim now, moderates are waiting for the Mahdi to start the party. Dude i read Quran and hadith i know all about you people and your Taqqiya, you don't fool me.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


An "Islamic war machine" would require a unified Islamic state with central leadership to even head up such a thing. It's not. It's a bunch of bull# cultural wars going on. And as I've said any Christians being murdered have my absolute sympathy. What's happening is wrong regardless of race, religion, nationality, etc. Damn shame you can't be as sympathetic and caring.

"You people" huh? Hmm. "You people."

I'm not going down the road with you on Taqiyya AGAIN. You've already illustrated on other threads that you don't know what the term actually means. You only know your bigoted and invented meaning of it.

You may CLAIM to read the Quran and Hadith but you don't really read them or understand them.

reply to post by InhaleExhale


sarcasm, I thought it was clear by my ridiculous statements. That is how I see peoples ignorant views in this thread.

My religion is better then your religion.
childish twaddle Im glad most are social outcasts

And there are both living as refugees in an ever increasing slum that has become the south eastern corner of Nashvillle. Spreading their problems into what used to be a descent place to live. Thank you Catholic Charities missonaires, why not move them into YOUR neighborohoods and let them run YOUR property values down and see just you like it.

Now if this were any other group would it be widely ignored? I doubt it.

Well if its taking place in Affrica, than yea we ignore it... No oil to justify the "humanitarian mission"

All these crys for intervention for humanitarian reasons are BS, as the only time they intervene is when Money is involved.

Ask the African people what its like to be ignored by the entire world, Child soldiers, Blood diamonds, etc...

So no its not just muslims, BTW this happened on July 1...

I didn't see it anywhere either...

Kenya: Church Attacks Kill 17, At least 17 Christians were killed in simultaneous attacks on two churches near the Somali border on Sunday, July 1. A group of masked assailants launched grenades and opened fire with assault rifles on a Roman Catholic church and an African Inland Church located about two miles apart in Garissa, Kenya. In addition to the 17 killed, more than 40 people were wounded in the attacks.

reply to post by CoolerAbdullah786While I agree upto certain extent with your analogy, it is not being ignorant. Have you travelled overseas and have actually spent time in other societies? Live and let live is my motto. What the islamic civilization has done to many countries around the world is basically coming back to them. Times are changing and 'multiply and conquer' motto isn't going to work as the resources around the world shrinks (atleast when it comes to feeding people). The minority that they are in the region, they are/were attempting to falsify the stake and claim as being part of the land before the majority of the people from other races existed in that region including claiming stakes to famous landmarks. Most of them were ofcourse driven out by the Brits back in time and thats how they landed in myanmar.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

. Dude i read Quran and hadith i know all about you people and your Taqqiya, you don't fool me.

Ive known a few Muslims in America, some of the nicest people, all in my age group though.

The thing is, they where just as ignorant as a Catholic when it comes to their own faith, they where 2nd Gen Americans...

So I am sure there are just as many Muslims (at least here in America) that have very little Idea what the Qur'an actually says.

I remember one friend that kept his with him in his car at all times, he say me with a Highlighter in my bible and was Horrified at my bibles condition.

I asked to see his Qur'an and it was even cracked at the seems, didn't looked like it had even been open from the level of Reverence he put on it.

He didn't understand how I could treat my holy book with such "disdain".

I simple paused and looked at him and told him "Its because I use it, its a tool"

Also there is the whole belief called Taqiyya, which basically says a Muslim can lie to any non-mulim about his beliefs in order to protect the faith.

So I doubt the OP, or my friends where Actively practicing Taqiyya with me, they where just ignorant as to what their own holy book says.

Just like many Christians are ignorant of what the bible says.

"World silent as Muslim massacre goes on in Myanmar"

The World was ALSO silent when 270 million people were killed by the "religion of peace"

Silence is the best way to keep the population blind to the TRUE stealth agenda of all man made religions.

THIS is why the Illuminati has complete control of all media.

Can someone honestly tell me WHY Islam is called the "religion of peace"? Is this some kind of cruel joke?

What really saddens me the most is knowing that so many young people such as the OP who are intelligent, well meaning, and I believe sincerely wanting to please and serve God are being so horribly deceived by what appears on the outside to be something good and wonderful.

Abdullah, it may seem to you like many here are attacking Islam or trying to spread hate when in actuality they are only trying to warn you and others out of pure LOVE about what they KNOW to be the truth.

One day you are GOING to know the truth and realize that ALL of us have been massively deceived.

Once you understand TRUTH, life takes on a whole new meaning and you will wish that you had sought out the REAL answers behind all of the lies much sooner. I am speaking from experience.

NEVER EVER forget this: Religion is one HUGE fabricated lie with a well hidden agenda.

God's not into religion. HE is into loving PEOPLE. Religion is HATE. God is LOVE.

KNOWING the truth but being unable to pass it on sometimes feels like a curse...

reply to post by DerepentLEstranger

and please get over your lack of
any kind of responsibility for past actions
of great britain

I feel absolutely no responsibility whatsoever for what happened years ago - why should I?

If we are to use the morals and standards of today to judge the actions of yesterday then I'm afraid that very few of us on this earth are free of blame.
Do we blame Mongolians of today for the despicable barbaric acts carried out by Gneghis Khan etc?
What about blaming todays Italians for the excesses of the Roman Empire?
And why not condemn Spaniards for the many barbaric acts committed in pursuit of The Spanish Empire which far outstripped anything done in the name of the British Empire?
How about we continue to punish Germany for the atrocities of WWII?

And if we are to blame people for the 'sins' of their father's do we also give credit etc for all the positives that arose from The British Empire or does it all work one way or are you that narrow minded and bigotted that you don't believe it was responsible for any good?

The Burmese, and other ex-colonies have had ample time to put their own house in order.
Continually blaming other's for their failings is simply passing the buck and refusing to accept any personal responsibility whatsoever.

Of course there were many, many failings with The British Empire and mistakes were made when handing control back - all we ever see is criticism, no-one ever comes up with viable alternatives.

All things considered I suspect that most people criticise etc out of either ignorance, bigotry and / or simply an unwillingness to face up to facts for whatever reason.

to the high standard of living you currently enjoy

What I have I have through work - I come from North East England and though we may have empowered and enabled Empire expansion we certainly didn't benefit from it!

at the expense of the Burmese

Such a naive and simplistic attitude.

Nothing that I have done, or what my forefather did, has made those Burmese Buddhists kill Muslims - or vice versa - they and they alone are responsible for their own actions - sure there are contributory factors - but it's their choice.

Doesn't matter which way anyone tries to spin it - murder is murder - plain and simple.

Don't see how anyone can criticise Islamic extremists, as I often do, for the barbaric acts they commit and then dismiss or trivialise the murder of innocent Muslims by extremist Buddhists.

Sure, Muslims may have killed Buddhists as well and sure Christians are being killed in quite a few places around the world - but no matter which way you cut it killing innocent people is wrong regardless of who the victims or killers are.

Pretty straight forward in my book.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by CoolerAbdullah786
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

It's not propaganda. It's fact. If there are atrocities against Christians being ignored then enlighten people! Make your own post about it. Don't whine when I make a post about this and bring up an issue that is widely ignored.

And there is no "Islamic war machine" in Africa. You wanna come here and label things "propaganda"? Pot, meet kettle.

Tell that to all the christians being murdered, burned in their churches or homes at the hands of muslims pushing Jihad. Only difference between an extremist and a moderate is extremists want to kill nonmuslim now, moderates are waiting for the Mahdi to start the party. Dude i read Quran and hadith i know all about you people and your Taqqiya, you don't fool me.

edit on 24-7-2012 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)

wow! would you name the attacks of muslims against christians and burning them I am not aware really.

reply to post by maes9

wow! would you name the attacks of muslims against christians and burning them I am not aware really.

Nigeria is a hot bed of Anti-Christian activities by the local Muslims, fire bombing of churches etc, hardly gets reported.

Nigeria: The Islamic extremist group Boko Haram attacked two more Nigerian churches on Sunday, June 10, the second such attack in two weeks. A suicide car bomber killed two and injured 40 others in an attack on Christ’s Chosen Church of God in Plateau state, and gunmen killed at least two other Christians in an attack on a church in Borno state.

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by DerepentLEstranger

If we are to use the morals and standards of today to judge the actions of yesterday then I'm afraid that very few of us on this earth are free of blame.

Agree completely.

The Burmese, and other ex-colonies have had ample time to put their own house in order.
Continually blaming other's for their failings is simply passing the buck and refusing to accept any personal responsibility whatsoever.

Agree completely.

Nothing that I have done, or what my forefather did, has made those Burmese Buddhists kill Muslims - or vice versa - they and they alone are responsible for their own actions - sure there are contributory factors - but it's their choice.

This situation is similar to many ME nations. Obviously the west is/will always be used as a scapegoat for the present and the future.

reply to post by CoolerAbdullah786


Don't blame Buddhism. Blame the practitioners. This is what happens when you go "extreme" (unless it's sports).

Originally posted by Murgatroid
"World silent as Muslim massacre goes on in Myanmar"

The World was ALSO silent when 270 million people were killed by the "religion of peace"

Silence is the best way to keep the population blind to the TRUE stealth agenda of all man made religions.

THIS is why the Illuminati has complete control of all media.

Can someone honestly tell me WHY Islam is called the "religion of peace"? Is this some kind of cruel joke?

What really saddens me the most is knowing that so many young people such as the OP who are intelligent, well meaning, and I believe sincerely wanting to please and serve God are being so horribly deceived by what appears on the outside to be something good and wonderful.

Abdullah, it may seem to you like many here are attacking Islam or trying to spread hate when in actuality they are only trying to warn you and others out of pure LOVE about what they KNOW to be the truth.

One day you are GOING to know the truth and realize that ALL of us have been massively deceived.

Once you understand TRUTH, life takes on a whole new meaning and you will wish that you had sought out the REAL answers behind all of the lies much sooner. I am speaking from experience.

NEVER EVER forget this: Religion is one HUGE fabricated lie with a well hidden agenda.

KNOWING the truth but being unable to pass it on sometimes feels like a curse...

edit on 24-7-2012 by Murgatroid because: I felt like it..

well there is a problem ! the more it goes onwards the more human return to religions. for example USSR broke down while it would consider religion as opiate of societies. now you can see the religous revolutions in mid east. there are 1.62 billion muslim and 2.3 billion christians in the world. let alone budists and hindus then how do you want to get rid of religions !

When there is a fight between two groups regardless of why they are divided into groups... whether a side is losing or winning they will always make themselves sound as nobel or a victim.

The muslims could say they are victims and the buddahist can turn around and claim the same.

Contributions to the world by muslims or any other group is the stupidest crap i have ever heard. So apparently people with vision and innovation are exclusive to a certain religion and are only beneficial or more beneficial because they belong to a certain religion. That is a crock of crap.

And if one religion is claimed to suppress progress more than another that is a crock too. The only thing that suppresses progress are people who want control and people who want control are not exclusive to christianity or muslims ...These power hungry jackasses suppress science and progress if it takes power away from them. These same people also manipulate you people tosquabble like children over whose religion is better than the other. Are we on the school yard again having arguments about who has the better dad??

how did this even become part of the discussion.

Now back to the topic. If what the OP says is 100% true and it is not a feud between two groups who are receiving as much damage as they are dishing out then I have sympathy for them.

As for the reason why they do not report on this... well it has nothing to do with them being muslims, or buddhist, or any other religion. It has to do with the fact there there is no special interest there. If the conflict is serving a special interest then they don't need to draw attention to it.

OP have you not figured out how things work in the world?? It is not about people suffering or dieing it is about using suffering and dieing to motivate people to fight for a cause which has an ulterior motive.. for special interests groups.

So that is your answer. Those muslims dieing either are serving a purpose by dieing or they cannot be exploited for a selfish means. You can substitute muslims for whatever you want.. you can put christian, mormons, scientologists, emo kids, vampire kids, goth kids you name it put it in there. the result will be the same.

Those are the two reasons why they are ignored take your pic.

This thread is not fair by any means.
First of all,

-During the clashes, both Rakhine Buddhists and Muslims, 79 persons in total, were killed and many injured.

why making this into a dramatic "muslim massacre"? Even if the official sources are playing down the event, to me it still looks like losses on both sides. Or you want to say that the muslims didn't react at all to the attacks?

Secondly, I understand that muslims are a minority in that country; like any other minority in non-democratic countries, they are probably not very loved or treated equally. I would expect rape to rise some unpleasant consequences for themselves. So again, why putting this under the religion tag? The clashes didn't started because of religion, but because of rape.

And finally, the part that I see most unfair is why a young, educated person like the OP feels the loyalty and the need to defend a religion so problematic and obviously violent. Why this need of muslim people to define themselves by their religion, no matter where they live in the world and which country they belong to. I mean, nobody posted about "christians" massacre in Aurora, but about people, or american citizens. People usually identify themselves by the country they belong to, and only after that by their religion. But every muslim I saw here was first a muslim, and only secondary a citizen of some country. And as muslims, they feel like criticizing one you attack all of them, and their religion too.
You know, we are first people, and only after that believers. And as people we are good, and bad, and stupid, and great; all of us together. Is not the religion who made us; WE MADE RELIGION. If you will consider this for only a moment, maybe you will start to see all people as people, not as muslims - and the rest of the world.

It's not fair what is happening over there, not for muslims nor for buddhists, and it's not fair that we take that and twist it to serve some personal religious agenda.

reply to post by aaron2209

I cannot understand how it is when Muslims kill 100's of Christians that never gets anyone post on here or on TV/Radio/News Papers either, lots of Christians were killed days ago by the Muslim Brotherhood in the Middle East, it never got a mention, maybe we are trying to protect Muslims more are we? I hope not.

Originally posted by definity
They are not Buddhists.

The first rule in being Buddhist is don't hurt living things.

Unfortunately they will probably call themselves Buddhist which pisses me off.

They need to sit down and talk to the Dalai Lama he needs to put them straight or Ram Bahadur Bomjon. they will put there twisted teaching of Buddha straight.

Not true, actually. There is a great article explaining it here using historical context:

I. What is a Monk Soldier?
In answering the first question, we must begin by noting that the term ‘Monk’ refers specifically to a Shaolin Buddhist monk. There were Shaolin fighting monks who were treated as soldiers. Students often note the paradox between a monastic advocacy of standing aloof from worldly affairs and refusing to kill any life and a monastic development of a soldier that would take life without batting an eyelid. They wonder how the two can stand side by side.

home.vtmuseum.org...

Originally posted by LDragonFire
reply to post by CoolerAbdullah786

 

Main points of the letter of Myanmar ambassador
-- On 28 May this year, a Rakhine Buddhist girl was raped and killed by three Muslims in Kyaukpyu district of Rakhine State. The perpetrators were arrested and put in police custody.
-- On 30 May, 100 people including relatives of the girl and villagers came to the police station asking police to hand over the accused to them. Police refused and opened fire to disperse the mob.
-- On 3 June in a town called Taunggup, a group of about 300 Rakhine Buddhists attacked 10 Muslim passengers on a bus travelling to Yangon. All 10 were killed on the spot. This led to violent clashes between Rakhine Buddhists and Muslims. The situation went out of control.
-- Curfew was imposed by the State Government on 8 June 2012. However, clashes continued. State of Emergency was declared in Rakhine State by the Union Government on 10 June. Army was called in to control the situation. The situation is now back to normal completely.
--During the clashes, both Rakhine Buddhists and Muslims, 79 persons in total, were killed and many injured. It is totally untrue that hundreds or thousands have been killed and that those killed were Muslims. The deaths were caused by either group to each other, not by others. Houses and property worth millions of dollars were destroyed. Thousands of victims have become homeless.
-- The government formed on 6 June 2012 an Investigation Committee headed by the Deputy Minister of Home Affairs to investigate all aspects of the unfortunate incident and submit a report to the President.
-- 30 Rakhine Buddhist suspects have already been detained so far.
-- Relief camps, 72 in total, have been set up separately for Rakhine Buddhists and Muslims. Basic needs of food, clothing and medicines of the victims have been met by the government.
-- In coordination with the government, UN agencies in the country, including UNHCR, UNFPA, WFP and UNOCHA, and INGOs have also been providing humanitarian assistance to the victims.
--Lt. Gen. Thein Htay, Union Minister for Border Affairs and for Myanmar Industrial Development, accompanied by Mr. Vijay Nambiar, Special Envoy of the UN Secretary-General, officials from UN agencies, 15 Muslim leaders from Yangon visited Rakhine State recently

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Muslims started this, and I wonder how many Buddhist have been killed by Muslims?

I see that mass murder is justifiable to you. No good at all.