Well looky here, guess Bush was a "timber owner"

Brian Williams reports that Bush in fact did receive $84 back in 2001 from a timber company, and because of this, would qualify as a "small business owner." Exactly as Kerry claimed.

Another for Kerry, guess he wasn't lying after all eh?

Hey! I got a check for 17$ from a local pawn shop that I cannot explain. Does that make me a partial owner? Or just a paid hand?

84$ and you want to make the jump to 'partial ownership'? Anything to try to squeeze a point out of that traitor you call a candidate, huh?

Did own and does own is two different things....

I use to be a virgin, now I have a son.

If you watched the debate, you know the point that Kerry was making. Bush laughed it off and denied it. Some other Bushies tried to do the same. Well, Mr. Williams (verified thru factcheck.org) proved what Kerry said was RIGHT.

It's refreshing to have a candidate who, when they say something you're not sure about, you can go and check on it and lo and behold, he was telling the truth! It's a breath of fresh air after having this administration in office for the last 4 years

Well, would you ever consider an 84 dollar payment, even in a 'middle class' stature, partial ownership of anything? Me neither. Point made.

It's also very refreshing to once again have a president that doesn't need to be super dee dooper with everyone and try to please all the people all the time, and just do what is right, instead of a panderer to latest polling data and a 'little boy' (to quote his maste....um..wife)

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[edit on 8-10-2004 by everlastingnoitall]

Originally posted by Armystalker
Did own and does own is two different things....

I use to be a virgin, now I have a son.

This has got to be one of the best comebacks I've ever heard!

What an analogy!

Bush: Now, he says he's only going to tax the rich. Do you realize, 900,000 small businesses will be taxed under his plan because most small businesses are Subchapter S corps or limited partnerships, and they pay tax at the individual income tax level.

Kerry: But let me just address what the president just said. Ladies and gentlemen, that's just not true what he said. The Wall Street Journal said 96 percent of small businesses are not affected at all by my plan. And you know why he gets that count? The president got $84 from a timber company that owns, and he's counted as a small business. Dick Cheney's counted as a small business.

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Aww, bet Bush didn't know that Kerry was gonna come back with that eh? Hard to throw out misleading stats out there when you are debating a man that can refute you with a comeback like that, ouch! Verdict: Kerry!

Originally posted by jsobecky

Originally posted by Armystalker
Did own and does own is two different things....

I use to be a virgin, now I have a son.

This has got to be one of the best comebacks I've ever heard!

What an analogy!

I don't know, could be both. Your name isn't Mary is it?

I know the point you're trying to make....and I laugh it off.

Is this what Kerry does? Decide Presidential debate responses off internet data of $84 transactions? What a joke.

I've had a bigger utility deposit refund than that....NO, I don't own any utility small businesses.

You just made Kerry's point for him, way to go!

Someone that gets $84 a year from a business they have a small stake in is NOT a small business. Using the misleading numbers Bush tried to give, that person would be counted as a small business, which in turn would make it seem like Kerry's tax cuts would negatively affect small businesses.

I'm glad we agree on this Valhall, $84 / year doesn't make a small business like Bush tried to fool everyone into believing!

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Excellent sharp point W_HAMILTON.

You have illustrated the Bush double-speak.
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Originally posted by Valhall
I know the point you're trying to make....and I laugh it off.

Is this what Kerry does? Decide Presidential debate responses off internet data of $84 transactions? What a joke.

You still haven't gotten the joke. Kerry made the statement knowing Bush would flip out. It worked.

And in doing so it exposed the "Republican definition" of small business owner Bush keeps harping on Kerry for "hurting" with his rollback on the top 2% of earners.

The blogoshpere is lauding Kerry now with mastery on that point by getting Bush to make his point for him (now that's it's come full circle). The "data" Bush slings is meaningless. He is a small business owner.

MSNBC blow by blow debate scorer Keith Olberman actually hscored the thing a tie around 10:30 (with Kerry @ 15 and Bush @ 12).

Upon factchecking.... Kerry wins. Masterfully.

1:23 a.m. ET
Timber Update:
In the middle of its evaluation of Bush-Kerry II, the Hooey from St. Looey, the Scorer's Table warned Mr. Bush during the course of the thirteenth round that if it proved Mr. Kerry was correct in his assertion that the President derived $84 of income from part-ownership of a timber company, the President would be severely sanctioned.

The Scorer's Table, having taken two hours to let the Blogosphere complete its due diligence (and to permit the scorer to retreat to a corner of the room, don cold compresses, and moan quietly), can now quote the truth from "Factcheck.Org": "President Bush himself would have qualified as a 'small business owner' under the Republican definition, based on his 2001 federal income tax returns. He reported $84 of business income from his part ownership of a timber-growing enterprise." Brooks Jackson's marvelous site noted that the timber interest was listed under "royalties" in his 2002 and 2003 returns, indicating The Texas Thunderbolt still has an interest in said concern.

The point awarded to Mr. Bush in the thirteenth round is hereby withdrawn and awarded to Mr. Kerry, for the latter's enterprising hoisting of his opponent on said opponent's own petard.

Mr. Bush is also penalized three points for a truth foul.
Mr. Bush is further penalized two points for getting snarky while in the act of being factually incorrect.

The thirteenth round, originally scored 2-0 for Mr. Bush, now reverts to a 1-1 draw, and the rounds awarded total now changes from 12 Kerry, 4 Bush, 3 Drawn, to 12 Kerry, 3 Bush, 4 Drawn.

The final points scoring is now adjusted from Kerry 15, Bush 12, to Kerry 16, Bush 6. The Scorer thus designates the outcome as a Kerry victory outside the margin for statistical error.

The scorer's table reproaches President Bush for not knowing when he has wood.

Well done Senator.


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Originally posted by W_HAMILTON
You just made Kerry's point for him, way to go!

Someone that gets $84 a year from a business they have a small stake in is NOT a small business. Using the misleading numbers Bush tried to give, that person would be counted as a small business, which in turn would make it seem like Kerry's tax cuts would negatively affect small businesses.

I'm glad we agree on this Valhall, $84 / year doesn't make a small business like Bush tried to fool everyone into believing!

You're 100% right. And that was Kerry's point. Went right over Bush's head like planned.

Bush & Cheney as "Small Business Owners"
www.factcheck.org...@DocID=265

To find examples of this we need look no farther than the top of the Bush-Cheney ticket:

President Bush himself would have qualified as a "small business owner" under the Republican definition, based on his 2001 federal income tax returns. He reported $84 of business income from his part ownership of a timber-growing enterprise. However, 99.99% of Bush's total income came from other sources that year. (Bush also qualified as a "small business owner" in 2000 based on $314 of "business income," but not in 2002 and 2003 when he reported his timber income as "royalties" on a different tax schedule.)

Vice President Cheney and his wife Lynne qualify as "small business owners" for 2003 because 3.5% of the total income reported on their tax returns was business income from Mrs. Cheney's consulting business. She reported $44,580 in business income on Schedule C, nearly all of it from fees paid to her as a director of the Reader's Digest . But giving the Cheneys a tax cut didn't stimulate any hiring; she reported zero employees.

Kerry just happened to send everyone to FactCheck very slickly and with more impact.

More than say sending everyone to factcheck.COM or one of the wrong Internets.

Originally posted by RANT
Kerry just happened to send everyone to FactCheck very slickly and with more impact.

More than say sending everyone to factcheck.COM or one of the wrong Internets.

More impact is putting it mildly. If I hadn't visited factcheck .org I might still be believing the BS lie that Kerry told about the Bush admin forcing General Shineski to retire. Or some of the other crap that Kerry was trying to sell.


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[edit on 9-10-2004 by jsobecky]

I honestly believe that Bush had no idea he had any kind of involvement with LSTF, LLC, did you see the look on his face when Kerry said that? He was shocked and confused. I find it sad that he doesn't even know he has a small claim in a timber company.

How much did he make off of all the plywood needed for the Florida hurricanes?

Originally posted by deeprivergal
I find it sad that he doesn't even know he has a small claim in a timber company.

A man that deals with trillion dollar budgets and billion dollar line items on a daily basis is supposed to remember an $84 transaction?

How much did he make off of all the plywood needed for the Florida hurricanes?

The figures are not in yet: they are still tallying the politicall windfall that he gained by seeding the skies over the Atlantic with chemtrails and creating the hurricanes so that he could appear compassionate in his brother Jeb's state in their quest to steal the upcoming election.[/sarcasm]

:shk:

Actually, that timber income was not timber at all:

"A check of Bush's 2001 tax return shows that he claimed $84 in income from the Lone Star Trust, a blind trust.

Note to factcheck.org: The tax return says the income came from "oil and gas production," not timber. "



www.nydailynews.com...

Originally posted by RANT
Upon factchecking.... Kerry wins. Masterfully.

That's becoming a trend, ain't it? First Edwards, now Kerry. Republicans need to realize they've got an umpteen number of people on the "internets" checking everything they say to make sure it's factually correct, so just stop lying -- you're not gonna get away with it.

As I said, Kerry lied about General Shineski, and other things.

You lie, Senator Kerry. Why do you lie?

Confused? Shocked? Amazed? Surprised? And this is different from anytime he ties his shoes correctly how? BTW Go to JibJab.com, it is great, see both.

But glad to see Bush tripped up on his own words, not hard to do, but hell, with an ear piece one would think he would have the upper hand in everything.