$20 - $30 TRILLION:hoard hidden from taxman by global elite

reply to post by soulshn


Hey, lets not forget about the scam that they did right in front of us... the Big Bank Bailout.

The real paper cash is more than ever before but one can look around the world and it is clear it is not in the hands of the public regardless of its real worth. Sure there is a decrease in value assets such as homes. Part of this cash is being used to build the NWO against the public off the books.

One has to think from a military mind to understand that it takes a kill zone to take down the world. To many people. That a race rage is not effective for over the entire land for this tactic. It takes an economic situation seen as an extreme injustice to do it. That is the public burns its own homes down and kills each other as the military and police stay back for about a week. They at first would close off any means of escape and ASAP closure of gun stores and confiscation if any exist. The object would be to bring out hidden weapons and use up their limited ammo on each other before any conflict. The public would need before it be mostly dependent on the state and the banks would all have to be closed..

O.k. They've found it. What do they do with it now? They'll give it back to the owners and tell them to be more careful next time and everything's back to "normal", personally I think it should be burned in an effort to reduce inflation.

Its one thing to investigate this fraud but nothing will come of its findings because the people and companies involved are too powerful and interconnected. Its not as if this is a secret, it is done openly and promoted as good tax minimisation strategy.

I'll give you one perfect example. You should have all heard of the Carlisle Group? You know, the company that among many other things is the biggest investor in defence related industries in the world and who employs George Bush Senior as a lobbyist and boasts the Bin Laden family and George Soros as major investors.

Well not only do they keep their profits offshore but they actually own the banks in the Cayman Islands that many of the other rogues funnel their tax free profits through.

For purposes hereof, the "Carlyle Companies" shall consist of: (i) TWC
Virginia, Inc., a Delaware corporation, TC Group, L.L.C., a Delaware limited
liability company, TC Group Cayman, L.P., a Cayman Islands exempted limited
partnership, TC Group Investment Holdings, L.P., a Delaware limited partnership
and TC Group Cayman Investment Holdings, L.P., a Cayman Islands exempted limited
partnership; (ii) their respective owners, including without limitation TCG
Holdings, L.L.C., a Delaware limited liability company, TCG Holdings Cayman,
L.P., a Cayman Islands exempted limited partnership, TCG Holdings II, L.P., a
Delaware limited partnership, TCG Holdings Cayman II, L.P., a Cayman Islands
exempted limited partnership, TCG Employee Co., L.L.C., a Delaware limited
liability company, Carlyle Offshore Partners II, Ltd., a Cayman Islands exempted
company with limited liability, Carlyle Offshore Partners II Holdings, Ltd., a
Cayman Islands exempted company with limited liability, DBD Investors V, L.L.C.,
a Delaware limited liability company, DBD Investors V Holdings, L.L.C., a
Delaware limited liability company, DBD Cayman, Ltd., a Cayman Islands exempted
company with limited liability and DBD Cayman Holdings, Ltd., a Cayman Islands
exempted company with limited liability; and (iii) the subsidiaries and
affiliates of the foregoing in clauses (i) and (ii), including without
limitation investment funds sponsored directly or indirectly by one or more of
the Carlyle Companies.

As you can see from above, the Government is well aware of what they are doing as this came from this government website

sec.gov carlisle group

The Carlisle Group was founded by David Rubenstein. Rubenstein was a domestic policy advisor to President Jimmy Carter, is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, and is on the board of regents of the Smithsonian Institution. What sort of world are we living in when a member of the council on foreign relations is the biggest global investor in weapons technologies?

Anyway, below is one of Rubensteins famous quotes which clearly shows what he thinks about the idea of paying his fair share of tax -

"When history is written and people talk about the great protests, I don't think that this will be in that category."[18] --Comparing what in his view were the great civil disobedience efforts of Mohandas Gandhi and Martin Luther King to the protests by the Working Families Party concerning the tax treatment of private equity firms.

reply to post by Seagle


The only thing to come out of this is the poor, diligent bean-counter who discovered the hoard will be fired. Or worse.

Id rather be rich in diamonds, gold, silver, rubies, emeralds, sapphire.... then some paper with an ugly-azz old person on it with an inked number.. and a stupid pyramid eye

The financial system is falling, on purpose.. the collapse of the banking system is the chaos of societies. Sure this news is a good thing, but when those filithy-elites stop running the banks... then what happens to soceity?

reply to post by soulshn


bu-bu-bu-but black people...welfare... immigrants...

Maybe the elite expose themselves because they want to pay USA's debt away

in reality its just numbers in a computer.

In a perfect world the workers and students pay little to no interest rates and taxes
Like in China.

Originally posted by conar
Maybe the elite expose themselves because they want to pay USA's debt away

in reality its just numbers in a computer.

In a perfect world the workers and students pay little to no interest rates and taxes
Like in China.

edit on 23-7-2012 by conar because: (no reason given)

You think China is a perfect world?

reply to post by MidnightTide


What facts? All you have done is spew the typical right wing nonsense.

The captains of the corporate world got what they wanted, low taxes and deregulation, and right off the bat they destroyed the world economy once again.

If you can't see that, go see a doctor.

The answer is to do the same thing as the last time the captain morons destroyed the world economy.

The WWII gen knew what to do.

Raise taxes on the super rich up the wazoo, and start enforcing strict regulations.

Originally posted by Seagle

Originally posted by conar
Maybe the elite expose themselves because they want to pay USA's debt away

in reality its just numbers in a computer.

In a perfect world the workers and students pay little to no interest rates and taxes
Like in China.

edit on 23-7-2012 by conar because: (no reason given)

You think China is a perfect world?

Paul fans love China.

Average worker salary is about 240rnb/week or about 12.5k a year rnb, putting them in a 20% tax bracket.

Or about 10K after taxes.

That's for an average 60/hr week.

So about 1500 USD a year, for 52 60/hour weeks.

And that's why iPhones are so cheap.

reply to post by soulshn


It's great and disgusting that this has been found.

I hope (but don't expect) every single last stealing a**hole who participated in this to experience the full punishment of the law. It's my personal opinion that these people should be held morally responsible for every single death that has occurred in any part of the world due to lack of money for fresh clean water and ample supply of food and be punished accordingly as though they have committed manslaughter. Although that won't happen...

If you have the power to make something better or prevent a death in a way that won't impact or harm yourself then you should do it 100% of the time, no excuse, and these people have that power and do nothing.

This is to all of you who say the money isn't real and only precious metals and minerals are... Objects no matter the rarity have the value we attribute to them, we attribute a lot of value to paper/digital currency thus they are valuable I don't deal in precious metals or minerals and yet can afford to house and feed my family, just because you believe it to be a certain way doesn't make it so, no matter how right you may think you are... unless you can convince others of the worth of something the only value is to the individual. Everyone values money, even you. - Sorry for the rant just wanted to get that off my chest .

Edit to add:
Also just wanted to ask if anyone else finds all this strange:

Mudoch Empire - Under fire
Barclays Bank - Under fire
HSBC - Under fire
Cayman Islands - Under fire

How is this happening? What I mean is, the most rich influential groups of our generation are being called out by the MSM... which is very odd when you think about it, how is it that these stories are even get out? no gag orders... nothing. Is there some hidden war taking place with the elite?

Or is this happening as I suspect, a series of controlled demolitions if you like, to stop a group such a wikileaks doing it in a more destructive way? Your enemy can't hurt you with the truth if you have already told it...

reply to post by Markafeller


The US public isn't going to riot and burn down there homes, especially not in the smaller cities and rural areas, where the people are better armed.

That works in the ghettos, which is why those areas don't have large retail outlets. The suburban sprawls will be most vulnerable, where they have packed in immigrants, and suckered them into massive debt.

The big thing everyone forgets is that as the US fed gov continues to bleed $Ts, somehow the elites are going to have to pay for the huge US military to protect their overseas assets. Because without the US military around, third world dictators are going to start grabbing up those factories as fast as they can.

US elites are going to have to sit back and watch as $T in assets disappear.

reply to post by longlostbrother

And that's why iPhones are so cheap.

£600 is cheap for a phone where you are??? Are you sure you arent one of these elite lol.

They are made for a fraction of that, maybe £30-£50. Big greedy corporations have lied to you all of your life, and made you believe you were getting a bargain. Slaves build our luxury products, but the corporations make all of the money.

On topic:

Nothing will come of this. Its been in the news, and will vanish as quick. They wont pay even 1% tax on those trillions. And even if they did pay anything, it would be used for more wars as wars are far more important than education and health services

reply to post by loves a conspiricy


Cheap to produce. Not consume.

Sure, the new iPhone 4S has a brand-spanking new iOS 5, the endlessly cool Siri voice-recognition and HD-quality digital camera. But perhaps the most exciting feature for Apple is the 71 percent to 73 percent profit margin on each handset sold – and there should be millions, one analyst said.

www.cultofmac.com...

Have read the other posts and want to add.

The bailout monies and quantitive easing , and govts have bought shares in banks, to keep them afloat.
That was using taxpayers money and rights handed to govts via democracy
These trillions would not be worth the trillions they are,
were it not for the stability brought back to the economy , by us , the voters and taxpayers.
The banks were worse than bankrupt - up to their eyeballs in toxic debt.
But it looks like 'we' let all that go , in fact we shored it up , so it retained its value.

While the economy is absolutely numbered# , it lacks any direction whatsoever , and these trillions may not be re-invested. Instead , what _is the plan ?
A top economist suggested to me that there was no plan - no one is making them either. We're assuming, for now ,that keeping the status quo where it stands is enough of a job on its own.
Bar that , would there be a specific date for a 'plan' to occur? While such would need infallible co-ordination of the whole sum , its highly unlikely. When you see , the Obamas of the world managing whole sums of trillions of bailouts however , it does make people wonder..

How come this article doesn't name any names? The Tax Justice Network did all this digging to find this information, yet there isn't a single person listed or named in the article as the perpetrators?

You really think they couldn't figure out who was behind this? This feels like a timely article to deflect the blame onto the "system" rather than the select few individuals running it.

Originally posted by Seagle

Originally posted by conar
Maybe the elite expose themselves because they want to pay USA's debt away

in reality its just numbers in a computer.

In a perfect world the workers and students pay little to no interest rates and taxes
Like in China.

edit on 23-7-2012 by conar because: (no reason given)

You think China is a perfect world?

no. Why do people take one sentence out of context?
China is not perfect, but its getting there. The average wage has doubled in few years

U.S. average work week is at 42.6 hours a week, china is 48 hours, they are getting there

The point was that in a perfect world low wage workers and students dont pay taxes and interest rates, China is getting there, get it now?

taxes on labor is unconstitutional, only tax on profit should be allowed.

Labor -> no tax
Profit -> tax

reply to post by conar


Taxes on wages paid to workers isn't unconstitutional.

And saying it's 42.5 is a bit... well, let's say I doubt that figure:

Apple's Chinese staff work 60 hours a week, independent audit finds
www.telegraph.co.uk... udit-finds.html

etc.

reply to post by conar


I agree, time to end income taxes on wages and small businesses.

The fed gov should paid for almost entirely by businesses that cross state and federal borders.