Witness: Someone let gunman inside Colorado movie theater

Very interesting questions that so far have been unanswered and also brought up by a couple others.

Why was Holmes found with gear on when police obtained him, but there was a pile of gear and armor ditched near the dumpsters and his car?

Why on earth was his gas mask found at the complete other end of the theater away from said ditched gear but then he was found back by his car?

Why were pink flip flops found where he dropped the rifle?

From having shot out of a pro-mask back in the service, they aren't easy to see through, especially at night ops or in a dark theater, and his mobility would have been somewhat limited. How could he have pulled this off so quickly?

Excuse no links but i'm on my iPhone at work. I have a theory on the gas mask, maybe someone can help.

There was a witness who said they went out the door and the shooter was trying to get in, they held the door closed but then freaked out and ran because they were afraid he would shoot thru the door. What I don't remember was if this was theater 8 or 9. If it was theater 8 then perhaps he left theater 9 and was headed to 8 to continue his killing spree but by this time people knew there was a problem and were leaving thru the exit and he couldn't get in. The exit to theater 8 is not very far from where the mask was found, so maybe he decides to ditch it near there since his plans at theater 8 didn't go as intended and he can't see very well thru it anyways. I'm thinking theater 8 was also part of the plan and maybe it too had a door that was propped open by an accomplice. IF he intended to head into 8 then I doubt he ever had a getaway plan since the cops would have arrived in the middle of his shoot out.

Anyone recall the witness I'm referring to and know if it was theater 8 or 9??

Also, why would anyone have to hold any of those doors shut if they automatically lock from the outside? Unless either it's not of the fire exits in question or possibly the door had been tampered with (ie tape on the lock mechanism)

Edit: i just realized perhaps the witness was holding the door shut from the outside, that would explain why he'd have to actually hold it closed. I know that witness gave an interview with channel 2 news, I wish someone could find that video/audio.

Ok I found it, witness is Eric Hunter and he was in theater 8. This proves the shooter walked all the way over to theater 8 and tried to get in, so when he left 9 he didn't go to reload... He went to his next target, the adjacent theater. It must have been at this point he tossed the gas mask and headed back to his car.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

Did he plan to hit both theaters? If he did, this significantly increases the chances of an accomplice as he would have planned a way to get in thru the locked emergency door.

reply to post by adjensen


I think you're right on the money there. He obviously intended to murder as many people as possible. He would have known that many would be gathering at the front of the theater, he was most likely intending to continue his spree at the front of the building while people escaped.

Once again we're going with the most plausible scenarios, which is the correct thing to do.

There are certain things we know,

1. People inside believe he left the theater to prepare himself.
2. He intended to kill as many as possible.
3. He moved around inside the theater to find targets.

Those three things all suggest that he would have intended to go to the front of the building to continue - IMO. He probably didn't think that the response would be that quick - when has the response EVER been that fast?

I believe he went around to the side of the building as you say, to continue at the front or perhaps to see if there were any other potential victims there. He then saw the flashing lights of the arriving response and dropped his mask. He then went back to his car and possibly removed everything from his vehicle - there is a lot of content from his boot on the road.
The police found him while performing a lock down of the exterior.

I still don't see any evidence for there being a second person involved. If there was another person, why did no one report seeing a vehicle fleeing the scene, why did they not participate, why is there no evidence of them at all and why does all the evidence they have suggest that he was working alone as a complete psycho?

Unless something comes up to make it less likely, I'll continue to believe the most plausible explanations for everything, and right now the most plausible explanation is that he was a lone gunman.

Originally posted by Snake1984
Why was Holmes found with gear on when police obtained him, but there was a pile of gear and armor ditched near the dumpsters and his car?

If you look at the photo, there's a gas can and other items that look like the contents of his boot, and the boot is open. I would think that he either removed the contents of his boot himself, or the police did this after finding him.

Reports suggested that he told the police that his vehicle was booby-trapped. They would probably have removed the contents of his car themselves to ensure that it wasn't.

You can also see a board under the back of the car in one of the photos from the scene of the investigation, showing that the photos were taken after the initial check of the car had already been done.

I would suggest that the stuff in the road is what the police removed. And it's probably that far from the car because they needed to isolate it from the vehicle for checking.

Originally posted by Snake1984
Why on earth was his gas mask found at the complete other end of the theater away from said ditched gear but then he was found back by his car?

I think we've already come to the correct conclusion that he was intending to continue his killing at the front of the building, and then saw the response arriving. This could be wrong of course, if the reports are correct he tried to enter theater 8 through the fire exit too. That could be why he was at that end of the building.

Originally posted by Snake1984
Why were pink flip flops found where he dropped the rifle?

We can see the trail of arterial blood along the sidewalk, and as he was not injured we can say that some of the injured exited through the fire exit. Those pink flip flops most likely belong to someone fleeing the scene.

Originally posted by Snake1984
From having shot out of a pro-mask back in the service, they aren't easy to see through, especially at night ops or in a dark theater, and his mobility would have been somewhat limited. How could he have pulled this off so quickly?

I agree that his vision would have been impaired, especially coming back into a dark room from outside. But perhaps this is a blessing and perhaps he would have been able to kill many more if he had been able to see perfectly well?
Some witnesses have reported that he didn't see them, when he should have been able to. For instance, there is a lovely young trainee fire fighter who says that he aimed a gun right at her but didn't shoot, then she ducked with her friend.

Perhaps he just didn't see her there because he'd just come into a dark room from the light outside and his vision hadn't adjusted yet?

In a packed out theater he could have simply aimed anywhere and killed that many people. The fact that his vision was probably obscured by the mask and his eyes had not adjusted to the dark is a good thing and probably means that he didn't kill as many as he could have.

These are just my opinions of course.

Another article on Eric Hunter says he saw the killer's eyes, therefore the mask had been removed while walking from theater 9 to theater 8. I would imagine he had no choice but to take it off so he could see. What is scary is that Eric pulled two teenage girls into 8, one of them had a wound to the face. Holmes then bangs on the theater 8 door apparently upset he can't get in... Was he specifically following the two girls trying to finish them off??? Crazy stuff.

I wanted to add this here as well.
FF to about 21 minutes in for the good stuff. Talking about two additional suspects.
One not much of a description, red backpack.
And one wearing black camo, gas mask and tacticle gear, with a black backpack.

Also of note, a perimeter wasn't even attempted until almost 9 minutes in. That is assuming this is real time and not condensed for time.

"Suspect claims to be the only one, but I am getting conflicting descriptions"

Seems ambulance response was really bad. They started taking victims in squad cars.

They spotted the suspect 4 minutes in, he was found in the parkinglot, didn't try to blend in with SWAT like that one dude said. Wonder why he lied?

Video pulled from this thread BTW.

Originally posted by skepticconwatcher
reply to post by CALGARIAN

 

I am hearing that the reason people think there were two is because of this incident where he comes to the front row sits down and then answers a phone call and goes out. Then another man in black comes in.

That was him. He was wearing regular clothes, faked the phone call which is very easy and went outside. He used something to keep the door cracked open where he them ran to the car, probably grabbed a duffle bag of his gear, ran back to the door where he was hidden from all and changed real quick.

Then, he went in and started murdering folks. When he was done, he went back to his car and that is where the Police got him. He put up no fight because he was in this mode that he is the Joker and he probably thought he was getting out anyway. Jail employees said he was in character mode spitting at everyone. They put a red towel over his face.

Better question. Why? What is the purpose of this attack? Who stands to gain from this?

Why does a highly educated phd in neuroscience(used worked for a DARPA subsidiary) ,respected,sane, clean backround and reportedly normal person all of a sudden lose his mind and magically get semi-autos,armor,military gear and shoots random people in a movie theatre?

Why? Seems TPTB want to terrorize us with this orchestrated false flag operation.

reply to post by TKDRL


At 3:08 the officer says there is someone shot in a white Kia?? That's strange. Also strange that when they identfy him as a suspect in/by the white car they reference him still having a gas mask on. How in the world is that possible when we know the mask ended up by theater 8? It sounds like at one point the officer says there are gas masks, plural. Did he ditch one by 8 and then grab another from his car??

reply to post by IamMe14


Too many inconsistancies = lies.

There where multiple masked gunmen. One the patsy the other(s) a hit crew with a similar body frame with masks on. They helped keep the door open for the other agents.

reply to post by IamMe14


Hmmm, yeah I overlooked that one. Another inconsistancy.... They keep piling up here.

reply to post by John_Rodger_Cornman


Yeah. I started comparing the two press conferences to see what changed in a matter of hours (and a matter of even more hours from the event). When I listened to the SkyNews audio, none of it made sense and it made me laugh and check in here to see if others read it the same way. (Aurora SkyNews Police Audio - Amateur Hour

I had to stop and check myself, "Why am I laughing?"

Because it sounds like amateurs.

reply to post by elmoastro


Yeah, you're really cool.

shock-jock style even

To be fair, I'd imagine those reports of a shooter in black camo, mask, etc just seem late to us since we know Holmes is already in custody at this time. The officers are interviewing witnesses though and reporting back what they are being told, which mostly involve the description of a man dressed in SWAT attire.

There are mentions of someone wearing a backpack and another person (forgot description) bit we don't know what prompted them to identify these individuals. Perhaps it's only becuase they are leaving on foot and it could be viewed as "fleeing the scene."

The one that really interests me is the shooter with white amd blue plaid on, that's a pretty specific description that looks nothing like Holmes' attire yet was referred to as a shooter (correct me if i'm wrong and it was "suspect" not shooter). Lobby/building surveillance will definitely show who this unknown person is, I really hope they are tracked down and questioned at the very least. I know it's easy for victims to make mistakes, but considering the shooter wore SWAT attire and a mask makes me curious about someone telling the policr about a man in a white/blue plaid shirt. It's not like they mistook the body armor for a black hoodie or jacket, white/blue plaid is uniquely specific. I want to know who that person is! Their involvement should be ruled out.

reply to post by IamMe14


This is the first time we knew immediately this was a false flag.

I mean whats with the multiple gunmen and the timeline inconsistancies?

I'm pretty sure he has been drugged up while waiting to go to court... i just saw a clip on the news of him seated and he definately looked out of it... as if he didnt know what was going on.... as if the mind-bender he was on is just starting to wear off....

I dont know but something weird.... I know that weirdness ...

There are definitely a lot of unanswered questions that deserve to be addressed. I know it's an ongoing investigation and they won't just give out all info they have... But hopefully we learn more.

They'll never put out gruesome CCTV footage out of respect for the victims, BUT there are definitely many still images that can be given to the public.

1. Holmes buying the ticket
2. Him in the lobby before the theater
3. Him getting into his gear before entering the theater to start shooting
4. Maybe even one of him being arrested at his vehicle

At least 3 of those should be released as they don't in any way disrespect the victims. They also don't taint the jury pool, that's such a weak excuse. A picture of the guy isn't going to do anything to a juror that hasn't already been done from the news coverage and witness statements.

First time I saw this:

More Evidence

*Holmes apparently just broke up with his girlfriend
*Was getting evicted from his apartment
*Was unemployed, but worked at McDonalds
*Withdrawing from the PhD program he had been working on for the better part of his adult life

And we can see from the court room hearing, that he was exhausted or completely out of it. Compared to the college speech, and someone being incredibly intelligent, he seems in shock or out of place.

Pretty confident it is not "demonic posession" as some people have said, or something of that nature, but there is clearly a change in character. Also Police statements as has been mentioned above about the differences in the shooters description don't add up.

Hindsight is rarely ever 20/20 (Law Enforcement Classes), and witnesses will almost always be wrong, not always their fault, but the human brain will recall different things sometimes.

reply to post by Snake1984


Why shoot up a theatre though? Whats the point of that? influence the NWO Gun treaty maybe?

reply to post by John_Rodger_Cornman


Unless maybe he thought his ex would be there with a new dude or something, i guess for her protection they have hidden her identity. I really have no idea.

That I have no idea, i think he just lost it over everything crumbling. I don't understand it, or why he would hurt people that had nothing to do with him. Im sure it will be used as a basis for gun control, but not sure he had that as an agenda.