Great Richard Gage interview according to JREF

From our friends at JREF who I can't respond to.

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Here is the interview:

www.youtube.com...

This interviewer is really objective. (sarcasm) At best she looks bored. She quotes Bush and Obama like they have something relevant to say.

The JREFers can just say he's lying. She throws around Noam Chomsky's name and says he doesn't believe it but does not specify what he says about anything. It seems she just expects everybody to believe whatever the BIG NAMES believe. But why did Gage as an architect believe it for FOUR YEARS. Shouldn't he know about the effect of the conservation of momentum in how the mass has to be distributed in a skyscraper.

psik

Originally posted by psikeyhackr
Shouldn't he know about the effect of the conservation of momentum in how the mass has to be distributed in a skyscraper.

Why should he? He has never designed any high rise building....

and he thinks this is a valid demonstration!

Why does anyone need to design a high rise building to understand the conservation of momentum?

But Gage does not talk about how mass has to be distributed down the towers. When I asked him about that in 2008 he looked at me like I had grown a second head.

The standard joke about architects at the Illinois Institute of Technology was "architects studied funny physics and funny math". His boxes do make you wonder about the collapse time though. This does it better.

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People who believe nonsense but think they are intelligent try to ridicule the paper loops though.

But the 9/11 decade presents a problem for all people who claim to understand physics.

psik

reply to post by spoor


This video has been explained to people like you in simple terms before, and if you cannot understand those simple terms then you should step away from anything to do with 9/11.

Richard Gage is just using that as a very basic demonstration, of course it isn't some expensive computer model, and that is the point, it's meant to explain one point, a simple point anyone but you can understand, it's done in such a way that anyone with no understanding of science can realise the principle of what he is trying to convey.

It's so basic anyone can get what he is trying to convey, except you and all your 'debunker' buddies, who think they are some special 9/11 experts with all your wacky science that is just made up as you go along.

When your 9/11 argument only consists of posting this Richard Gage video then it's time to give up the job of being a 'debunker'.

JREF & Randi are the biggest shill infest rat pits on the internet.

It's full of basement dwelling glory hunters. I wouldn't touch that place with a barge pole, all the worlds BS is spread between those 2 places.

Originally posted by thegameisup
reply to post by spoor

 

This video has been explained to people like you in simple terms before, and if you cannot understand those simple terms then you should step away from anything to do with 9/11.

Richard Gage is just using that as a very basic demonstration, of course it isn't some expensive computer model, and that is the point, it's meant to explain one point, a simple point anyone but you can understand, it's done in such a way that anyone with no understanding of science can realise the principle of what he is trying to convey.

It's so basic anyone can get what he is trying to convey, except you and all your 'debunker' buddies, who think they are some special 9/11 experts with all your wacky science that is just made up as you go along.

When your 9/11 argument only consists of posting this Richard Gage video then it's time to give up the job of being a 'debunker'.

What is so important about convincing non technical people? Non technical people will go to technical people to get answers. Technical people will see this demonstration and place this person in the list of people not to be consulted on technical issues.

In other words, Gage clearly demonstrates that he doesn't understand physics and should not be taken seriously on any matters relating to physics.

Originally posted by psikeyhackr
The JREFers can just say he's lying.

lol. debunking mecca: jref forums. filled with some crazy gvmnt apologist peoples...

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Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by psikeyhackr
Shouldn't he know about the effect of the conservation of momentum in how the mass has to be distributed in a skyscraper.

Why should he? He has never designed any high rise building....

and he thinks this is a valid demonstration!

That was funny with the song and everything. I don't know about Gage, don't know what he's up to.

But I know this alone won't cut it, either because even this simple an explanation doesn't get through or because it is presented in a way that makes him look like a buffoon and most people believe what they see and are told on TV anyway expert or not.

It could just be something some nobody just says. Take Harley Guy for example. People will believe a guy who isn't even an expert but just a guy on the street before they even believe Gage who I presume we can infer went to university and got some kind of knowledge. People believe Harley Guy over Gage! That is the problem. I don't think maybe there is a way to show it simple enough to overcome that.

Gage needs to hire Harley Guy to do his presentations!

But seriously, what forums or individual guys aren't jerking everybody around on 9/11? Can someone give me a few names of people actually digging for the truth? Thanks.


Cheers

This is my favorite Richard Gage discussion:





Yeah, some of you actually give this guy your hard earned money.

Originally posted by Six Sigma
This is my favorite Richard Gage discussion:

Yeah, some of you actually give this guy your hard earned money.

Well you have to pay to get in to ask a simple question to get his DUMB answer.

It cost me $7. Not counting the cost of driving into Chicago and parking.

psik

reply to post by psikeyhackr


Really? He answered your questions? I was 2nd in line (I had a seat next to the microphone) After one truther question, he said there wasn't any time left. I ended up approaching him on the stage.

The only answers I got were: "That's why we need another investigation." He shook my hand and thanked me for "being a good sport."

edit: I was referring- more or less to his "sustaining" members.

Originally posted by Six Sigma
reply to post by psikeyhackr

 

Really? He answered your questions? I was 2nd in line (I had a seat next to the microphone) After one truther question, he said there wasn't any time left. I ended up approaching him on the stage.

The only answers I got were: "That's why we need another investigation." He shook my hand and thanked me for "being a good sport."

edit: I was referring- more or less to his "sustaining" members.

We formed a line along the left wall of the little auditorium and went up on stage one at a time to talk into the microphone. I was about 7th in line. This was at Chicago Circle Campus in 2008. I asked him about getting accurate data on the distributions of steel and concrete down the buildings. First he got this shocked look on his face like I had turned into an alien or something then he said the NIST was not releasing accurate blue prints.

My point is that gravity works the same way all over the planet and there are over 200 buildings around the world over 800 feet tall. This is not rocket science and this has to be fairly standard stuff among skyscraper people. So even without blue prints if Gage and his buddies have the expertise they claim they should be able to come up with some pretty good numbers. But from most of the kinds of people at that show he is talking to non-technical BELIEVERS who are not making any serious demands on him and that is why this crap drags on forever.

psik

reply to post by Six Sigma


As already mentioned, that video is done deliberately to show a principle in the most basic form. If you cannot understand the concept then it's back to school for you!

Here, these might be a bit too complex for you if you don't get the other video, but hey, you can at least try to educate yourself a little...

AE911Truth Youtube channel
www.youtube.com...

All free by the way, as they always have been. Only some are for sale and those that are for sale are also free.
They are only for sale to keep the project going, there is no obligation to buy.

You seem obsessed with attacking Richard Gage. Feeling threatened by his work are we?!

Originally posted by thegameisup
reply to post by Six Sigma

 

As already mentioned, that video is done deliberately to show a principle in the most basic form. If you cannot understand the concept then it's back to school for you!

Here, these might be a bit too complex for you if you don't get the other video, but hey, you can at least try to educate yourself a little...

AE911Truth Youtube channel
www.youtube.com...

All free by the way, as they always have been. Only some are for sale and those that are for sale are also free.
They are only for sale to keep the project going, there is no obligation to buy.

You seem obsessed with attacking Richard Gage. Feeling threatened by his work are we?!

Gage rolled through here once and of course I didn't go, I'm not one of those We Are Change truther hearings type people, and there was a charge to get in, but there was also a note that stated if you couldn't afford that to come anyway that that would be ok too. I didn't go but I got no problem with him touring the country with his little boxes. I just don't think it's as effective as it could be somehow.

I was joking about Gage getting Harley Guy to do his presentations but not really.

Can you just imagine Harley Guy doing the box demo?

"Well see, it's pretty simple, there's like this free fall through the air thing, with, like there's no resistance see? And when you drop it on the other side it's gonna go nowhere because the building is in the way. Anyway, that's the way I see it! It's pretty obvious really."

See, you're all on board already. It might be in part Gage himself, his personality doesn't sell the most basic of ideas.

So what I don't get is you guys think Gage is right but he don't explain it well enough or doesn't back it all up with enough numbers and equations? Is that it? Is there anybody explaining it with equations? Who would be able to? Don't you think it would be a good idea (and more productive) to find that guy or guys and get the equations than talking about Gage and attending his ineffective seminars? What is stopping you?


Cheers

reply to post by NWOwned

And when you drop it on the other side it's gonna go nowhere because the building is in the way. Anyway, that's the way I see it! It's pretty obvious really."

Do a thought experiment.
Drop one house on top of another.

So what I don't get is you guys think Gage is right but he don't explain it well enough or doesn't back it all up with enough numbers and equations? Is that it? Is there anybody explaining it with equations?

Because he can't back it up with numbers without being ridiculed by his peers.
The entire truther movement is based on speculation and hunches.

reply to post by NWOwned


yes it is really amazing people do not get the point of the upper block hitting resistance from the lower block.

That is and was the purpose of that whole demonstration and if people do not get that...then their ignorance shows in spades.

Now psik...i have watched you over and over...and sometimes i agree with you and sometimes i don't....now if you want data...FIGURE IT OUT FOR YOURSELF....you have access to plans...you have acess to concrete data...you will never know eaxactly what occupied each office on every floor...but all that data is not relevant...because the upper block NEVER met resistance from the loswer block...so HOW can knowing the data make one bit of difference...it makes no difference if there was 1,00,000,000,000,000,000,000 Joules of energy coming down on the lower part of the structure if it meets little or no resistance now does it.

why not let that bit go...it you want i will give you a mass quatity for the upper block of the north tower....but the load contributed by the office materials will not be part of it...For the simple reason....it's amount will not contribute significantly to the over all mass now will it.

reply to post by samkent


no Sam....drop one house onto a stack of ten house ....man alive...i think you cannot think sometimes at all or you would not say such rubbish.

also what i just said does not apply as all things need to be part of the same element...but i don't believe you will be able to grasp onto such a idea will you.

I will put it this way....drop 20% of a house onto the lower 80% of the house....see if that can sink in.

Originally posted by samkent
reply to post by NWOwned

 

And when you drop it on the other side it's gonna go nowhere because the building is in the way. Anyway, that's the way I see it! It's pretty obvious really."

Do a thought experiment.
Drop one house on top of another.

So what I don't get is you guys think Gage is right but he don't explain it well enough or doesn't back it all up with enough numbers and equations? Is that it? Is there anybody explaining it with equations?

Because he can't back it up with numbers without being ridiculed by his peers.
The entire truther movement is based on speculation and hunches.

Don't you mean drop one house on a vertical stack of 12 houses?

So you think if there were accurate equations that that wouldn't make a difference? That accurate data would show that what we saw on 9/11 was what would result? And that's why Gage is avoiding all the accurate data equations? Please explain.


Cheers