Jobs are a RIGHT, not a privilege. All are entitled to employment.

reply to post by James1982


O' RLY? Who died and made you king? It is freakin ridiculous for YOU to say it is a right. So now let me ask you some questions.


The person who spits in my food at a restaurant has a right to have that job and spit in my food. Is this part of the right, having this job?

The person who kills many kids driving a school bus because this person was texting. Is this part of the right, having this job?

The person who steals my credit information and opens a loan in my account. Is this part of the right, having this job?

You say we have to participate in the "system." Well if you knew a damn about taxes, anything under $3000 you do not have to file.

You say we all need money to live? REALLY??? How did the so called cave man do it? They we're so rich with money!

You know what it really is.........................most of the world is completely lazy and expect everything to be handed to them. GROW UP!

Having a job is a privilege and if YOU can't learn to accept that, then on top of that DO YOUR JOB LIKE IT SHOULD BE DONE. YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU DON'T DESERVE ANY JOB. I'am 24 years old. My parents are rich BUT I have to earn everything I EARN. I have a wife and a 15 month old. I have no credit cards and a new car with 3.6 interest and $300 payments a month with NO CREDIT. I make 20 grand a year and have food on the table with money to spare.

Now how is it that the rest of the world cannot follow suit???????????????? All of you let the government dictate your life. Credit cards...loans...welfare...and then you b!tch. Well no wonder why this world is the way it is. No self-control and complete laziness

This is pure fantasy.
If, and ONLY if a person is FIT to perform a duty or service, they must in order to carry the weight of their burden.
If not, it is fitting they be pressed into a labor fitting their abilities to fulfill the responsibilty of living within a society.
This will eliminate the dead weight of worthless people with a ridiculous sense of entitlement, i.e., those who believe they deserve charity.

I'm just replying to the title thus far. Of course ill contiue to read after...

I just wanted to say:

True dat!

Bloody nora, I *cant* escape this ludicrous prison of a finacial and social system, so they least "they* can damn do Is provide with the job for which I *need* to live!

Where can I be born, without being owned/controlled by somebody?? That's what I want to know.

Born in Brum, bound by Britiish laws. Its illegal to be vagrant, its illegal to grow food on land I don't own or pay for, its illegal to to travel the world with out a passport that needs to be paid for.. Its illegal to walk around neked, and yet I need money to buy clothes. Its illegal to sleep on the street and yet I need money for a home.

See what I see? Stuck between a rock and a crazy place.

I'd rather be a worm or a bird or ant or spider. They are more free than we are, I don't slap an injunction on the worm, the bird, the ant or the spider for entering my garden or my home, they know no boundries by nature, where as we are slaves at birth.

So riddle me this, when will we be born free?

GIVE ME THE GOD DAMN JOB IF IM TRAPPED IN YOU HEARTLESS RUTHLESS SYSTEM!

A JOB *IS* *MY* RIGHT.

Just like how I can't pay my bills without a bank account, and how my work refuse to pay me in cash. Instead they use the didgital world of false banks.

We have *no* choice.

Democracy and freedom are myths, always have been, always will be.

reply to post by johngrissom


Please see my above post, I think I answer your questions, being in the system is *not* a choice, clearly.

Even the 7 seas aren't free anymore...



ETA: FYI the cave man didn't have laws to abide by, or money, shops, they could walk around neked, they could sleep in a bush, and they didn't have you beloved tax.

Your argument is void.

I believe everyone has the right to work, a job, a means to make ends meat. But not at the expense of private employers. I've owned my own business a few times, all successful and sold. Most of the time, I would never hire anyone full time because the people I had were folks who needed "a little help" to get on their feet or have money for the month until they start another job. I liked it and I met a lot of great folks this way. Also a few I'd like to forget...

But if every employer out there could help where they could, even if it's not daily, just a few days out of the month with work could really help someone out. Not saying it's perfect, but we all need to be open and help out those who need help when we can.

I would rather see this entitled:
"Jobs are a DUTY, not a privilige. All are required to be employed."
Since this entitlement society is/has run out of money, I think it is the duty of everyone to be employed.
Since those who have been on welfare most of their lives have never contributed to the money pot, it is time they do so. I would think a draft for employees would benefit. Those not employed would have to sign up for the work draft or not get checks.
Sound radical? Not really. I am broke and still paying for those who refuse to work.

No...it is not a right. Just because you want a job, does not make you entitled to one...the only person that owes you anything is...YOU. What a ridiculous notion...if you do not have the skill set for a job, it should just be handed to you? What's next in your line of thought...said job should revolve around you...the hours you want to work, the days you want to work...I'll say the same damn thing I tell my teenagers...life ain't fair...you want something...YOU need to make it happen.

I don't know about if job is a right or not right. Anyone can work - it's the getting paid part that messes you up if you are in a system and can't find a PAYING job. I work. I don't have a job but I do work. Harder than many in paying jobs.

Ok, nuff said about THAT.

It would be nice though, if the rich and wealthy in this country would build a pyramid or something, or if the government would create some jobs building and repairing our infrastructure.

Before we go all communist, let's try going 'NICE, PATRIOTIC (as in real and willing to sacrifice for country, not just flag waving fakers) American' and "GOOD --insert religion name here' and try to do what we can to help one another and pull our country out of this mess.

I see where you are going with this, I agree the property tax is to keep people in the system

But even today, most people dont even own the property they are living at, and it is phasing out all together within the next century I bet...

Anymore we are a nation of renters, not owners

Look at that "firesale" post a month ago about all those foreclosed homes being bought up by people with a minimum of 1 billion to invest...

It will only get worse from here unless we do something to get the land back to the people, instead of the few psychopaths renting it out to us all

Oh my. A "right"?

Living isn't a right. Neither is survival. it's an opportunity. This post, while backed with a palatable logic, reminds me of my grandchildern. "I want to eat what I want, when i want and if I want. I will get up if I feel like it and when I feel like it I shouldn't have to work for it, chores or real work,....."

It's the exact opposite, it's a responsiblity, not a right. You are responsible for your survival, no one else. it is not a social responsibllity, it's a personal one.

Give up that responsiblity, you lose your choices, your freedom, your liberties.

Apparently, the world needs minions, if that's your desire/fate, the so be it. Perhaps you could resurrect old fashioned feudalism. Your "job' would be assured....

EVERYONE wants a job.
NO ONE wants to work.

We have this card for welfare recipients called the "Independence Card".
The irony.

What kind of Communist BS is this? Seriously you a RIGHT to a job? SURE everyone has a right to a job, so lets have the government start assigning jobs and go back to the days of the surfs. Please, you have the right to life and choice, make the decision, get a job, or go to school and get a better job. This thread is

I can understand you point...to a point.

I have long said that if the Government would get out of the way and let people be self sufficient, it would be a better world. Get rid of the fees and licenses and registration for the lesser things. (Sure, professionals like doctors and dentists need to be tested and proven to be what they say they are.) But aside from that...alot of the regulations need to go.

About the taxes. I have always had a problem with "real property" tax. We are taxed to death for things like this. You buy a car, you pay a sales tax. Each year you license it, you have to pay a tax based on it's value. You buy gasoline, you pay more taxes. You buy tires, you a pay a tax on those too.

Houses and homes are just as bad. Buy a house, sales tax. Each year...property tax based on someone else's opinion of what the property "might" be worth. You pay taxes on you electricity and utilities. You pay sales taxes on every appliance you put in it.

About the only thing you are not taxed on is "food" that you buy to prepare yourself. Go to a restaurant, you will pay taxes.

We get "taxation without representation" all the time. We elect officials to go and represent us but I don't recall ever being asked if I would like to voice my opinion or vote on a tax. Our Representatives agree to these things whether we agree with them or not. We need a new plan!

But as far as a job being a right, I disagree. As others have said, a system like that is mired in mediocrity, there is no incentive to do better or try harder.

As I opened with, I can see your point. I'd rather get rid of the taxes myself...Let people be free to make their way in this world in whatever way is best for them.

...but that is just my opinion.

Originally posted by James1982


No sacrifice required at all. Private companies are not the entity that forces citizens to generate income in order to live, the government is. Therefore it's the government's responsibility to provide jobs, not private companies.

Ahhhh, I see the disconnect. You're working under the impression that it is the governments role to provide jobs.

That would be the case in countries that follow a socialist or communist or fascist model.

Not under a system that the US Constitution follows.

Cheers

Bunk. But I am certainly glad to live in a Right to Work state that does everything to keep the corrupt union thugs out of power. More people find work that way. And quality of life improves.
There are 2 systems in human history that empowered the people and gave them genuine freedom. They are the hunter-gatherer system and the free market.
The difference is that the free market massively improved quality of life for all.

Government enforced "Right to work" = "Right to drive every legitimate business into the ground thus destroying the middle class and creating a new feudal system". Similar to all the other ridiculous stupidity "Occupy" brain-controlled buffoons believe because it makes their easy-to-manipulate emotions tingle.
Laziness, entitlement, ignorance, and naivete tend to lead to that.

reply to post by James1982


Property taxes are not extortion...we have to be able to pay those that do provide services like schools...police and fire....water and sewage...trash pick up....and yes the roads that we drive on to get to and from work. Taxes are excessive between city state and federal and unless we provide jobs like trash pick up to those of you who would rather have a job assigned then there is no other way to get around it....government does not produce revenue on its on except through taxation...if you really wish to live off the grid...one can frow you own food,,,hunt and fish...burn your trash....secure yourself and have a bucket brigade to put out fires...but if you wish to be able to go and get a burger at BK...then you have to have so sort of road to get there...if you want internet then the infrastructure has to be there...water then you need pipes....school then money is required

reply to post by beezzer


Bezza, I think for the first time I disagree with you

The Gov require us to own currency, the Gov should be the one to provide that currency, i.e via work.

Pretty simple equation actually.

Is that a form of socialism. Most certainly is! LOL

Remember last month and ATSs favorite topic was Socialism? I think we covered the ins and outs quite well.

Socialism, on paper, is the only way for our structured society to work.

Of course Socialism has been used for all sorts of wrong doing, as has capitalism.

Its human error, not the strategy lol.

We're either bound by a governing body 100% or not all.

Soo, shall we revert to every man for his own, or equal rights for everyone?

reply to post by DJMSN


Property tax is not extortion? Hence, unless I have myn own army to defend against governing bodies, I can never claim a piece of land as myn own?

How about income tax? Now surely thats illegal? lol

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
I always laugh at road crews

2 guys leaning on shovels, 2 directing traffic, 3 looking at plans, 1 guy working

if you make jobs a right, productivity hits rock bottom, and nations like china and india beat us to a pulp on costs

and who pays ? the taxpayers ? who does that work ?

Have you ever worked on a road crew? Do you have any idea what goes on and the work involved? I thought that same think when I was young and didn't know squat.

However after working many different construction jobs I understand why some might think that but often you need extra people to do other odd jobs while they are needed only a few hours at one job.

I remember standing by the road as a track-how dug a trench and came up with a 500 line telephone cable which was not supposed to be there. according to the plans and utility marking we had. The line was abandoned and not marked on a map.....

This type of thinking is getting more and more common, yet the same group who pushes this also wants religions to be snuffed out and other strange utopian fantasies realized.
We have too many "scholars" who know whats best for us all. Now they have the tools to FORCE us if they grab complete control.
God help us all