Was Colorado shooter a highly intelligent student?

Originally posted by WozaMeathed

Originally posted by knowledgedesired
reply to post by WozaMeathed

 

A smart person can't be a killer?

I think you have this totally backwards because most killers are above average intellegence.

I think that you and all those that have starred you have this totally backwards, as it doesn't take a genius or a strong man to pull the trigger of a gun and end someones life. Any one can do that. Even a 3yr old american kid can kill his father with a gun. So do you call that kid intelligent too?????????

So, can you please provide me with some facts that show MOST killers are of a higher intelligence.
I bet you cant.
So Until you can provide those facts, i will rest with my first comment, He is a F***ing coward and not a genius.

edit on 21-7-2012 by WozaMeathed because: (no reason given)

I'm not sure the suggestion was EVERY killer is above average intelligence, that's patently not the case. Most people who engage in violent Criminal behaviour are actually below average IQ. I think the perception
Is that SERIAL killers are generally highly intelligent... However, interestingly, serial killers are often intelligent but sometimes can be the very opposite.. The FBI have identified 3 categories: the medical killer, the organised killer and the disorganised killer. The first two categories tend to be populated by those individuals who are highly intelligent, the latter by those who actually have a low IQ.

Having said that, this guy is committed a mass murder and is not (as far as we are aware) a serial killer so this isn't really relevant....

Anyway, I've had a look for info on mass-murderes and their IQ's but can't seem to find anything....

Also, for the sake of balance, Wikipedia (haha) carries an article stating that serial killers are: "Generally being described as possessing IQs in the "bright normal" range,[6][20] although they are more likely to have low/average intelligence.[20] A sample of 174 IQs of serial killers had a median IQ of 93. Only serial killers who used bombs had an average IQ above the population mean.[21]"

However, the sources cited are a couple of articles on websites, hardly peer reviewed 'hard science'. So, I'm not sure how reliable that info is... Personally I'd tend towards believing in the profiling methods of the FBI as opposed to the Wikipedia articles... That's just my opinion though...

One is basically an online newspaper article: www.theroot.com...

and the other (slightly more promising) is something from a university webpage: maamodt.asp.radford.edu...

I can see why you object to attributing something that's generally regarded as a positive thing (and therefore people are inclined to assume that, because someone has good traits it would follow that they are a good person) to a mass murderer but, let's just say for the sake of argument that somehow it's established he was a genius (although the meaning of this is open to much debate, let's say perhaps he scores a 160 IQ), it doesn't mean that he can't also be a coward and a horrible person. He could be a genius but that wouldn't mean we'd have to like the guy...

Originally posted by Milkflavour

Originally posted by WozaMeathed

Originally posted by knowledgedesired
reply to post by WozaMeathed

 

A smart person can't be a killer?

I think you have this totally backwards because most killers are above average intellegence.

I think that you and all those that have starred you have this totally backwards, as it doesn't take a genius or a strong man to pull the trigger of a gun and end someones life. Any one can do that. Even a 3yr old american kid can kill his father with a gun. So do you call that kid intelligent too?????????

So, can you please provide me with some facts that show MOST killers are of a higher intelligence.
I bet you cant.
So Until you can provide those facts, i will rest with my first comment, He is a F***ing coward and not a genius.

edit on 21-7-2012 by WozaMeathed because: (no reason given)

I'm not sure the suggestion was EVERY killer is above average intelligence, that's patently not the case. Most people who engage in violent Criminal behaviour are actually below average IQ. I think the perception
Is that SERIAL killers are generally highly intelligent... However, interestingly, serial killers are often intelligent but sometimes can be the very opposite.. The FBI have identified 3 categories: the medical killer, the organised killer and the disorganised killer. The first two categories tend to be populated by those individuals who are highly intelligent, the latter by those who actually have a low IQ.

Having said that, this guy is committed a mass murder and is not (as far as we are aware) a serial killer so this isn't really relevant....

Anyway, I've had a look for info on mass-murderes and their IQ's but can't seem to find anything....

Also, for the sake of balance, Wikipedia (haha) carries an article stating that serial killers are: "Generally being described as possessing IQs in the "bright normal" range,[6][20] although they are more likely to have low/average intelligence.[20] A sample of 174 IQs of serial killers had a median IQ of 93. Only serial killers who used bombs had an average IQ above the population mean.[21]"

However, the sources cited are a couple of articles on websites, hardly peer reviewed 'hard science'. So, I'm not sure how reliable that info is... Personally I'd tend towards believing in the profiling methods of the FBI as opposed to the Wikipedia articles... That's just my opinion though...

One is basically an online newspaper article: www.theroot.com...

and the other (slightly more promising) is something from a university webpage: maamodt.asp.radford.edu...

I can see why you object to attributing something that's generally regarded as a positive thing (and therefore people are inclined to assume that, because someone has good traits it would follow that they are a good person) to a mass murderer but, let's just say for the sake of argument that somehow it's established he was a genius (although the meaning of this is open to much debate, let's say perhaps he scores a 160 IQ), it doesn't mean that he can't also be a coward and a horrible person. He could be a genius but that wouldn't mean we'd have to like the guy...

edit on 21-7-2012 by Milkflavour because: (no reason given)

Star for you.
Thanks for a great reply.
The only thing that i have to disagree with you on was,,

I'm not sure the suggestion was EVERY killer is above average intelligence

It wasn't suggested that EVERY killer was of above higher intelligence they just suggested that MOST killers were of higher intelligence. And that is what i dont agree with.

Also one would think that those that are the so called intelligent ones would know that killing someone isn't that intelligent at all.

reply to post by Tholidor


if he is so "intelligent" why did he do such a retarded act that benefits no one???

Killers are not highly intelligent. People are very clever but unlike killers their "intelligence" is spent on things that do not draw too much attention. so you would never know someone is intelligent until you put them under the spot light.

Originally posted by jtma508
At 24yo he is right inthe prime window for beginning to exhibit schizophrenia. His actions, lead-up behavior, gender and, again, age all fit... I'm placing my bet on mental health as the underlying cause here.

edit on 21-7-2012 by jtma508 because: typo

The vast majority of schizophrenics are victims of violent crime, it's very very rare that a schizophrenic is violent. Part of the idea of 'violent schizophrenics' comes from the change during the 1950's and 60's from schizophrenia being a mainly female and docile disease to a black and violent disease. This was due to the way that psychiatrists looked at black patients during the civil rights movement, locking them up for protesting against the "logical system of segregation". This left us with a legacy of both an over representation of black men as schizophrenics and as these people being dangerous. I doubt he was experiencing the onset of schizophrenia as this was obviously concocted as part of a long drawn out plan. More likely that it's a personality disorder.

reply to post by Tholidor


Well, all that stuff you meamtion may have nothing to do with conspiracy. But he got that bullet proof clothing from some where and from someone. Why would an average citizen need all that bullet proof clothing except if he was expecting to be shot at, and why would an average citizen be expecting to be shot at unless he was going to comitt a crime. So someone knew he was up to no good, and that someone said nothing and let it happen. That someone may have even know the details of rthe crime. Either way there is a conspiracy involved because bullet proof clothing is against the law. So ther was a conspiracy on at least one level.

reply to post by TrueAmerican


There is a difference in allowing family to mourn their dead; and sending an innocent man to jail. This guy is no killer..The picture on the 'adult website' also looks nothing like him...Look at his nose from the picture of him smiling before he 'dyed his hair' and his eyes are lit up; then look at the one with his headphones and the secondary picture uploaded to the site. They look nothing alike..Ebay already stated that Holmes had not used their website. This story is severely lacking in the fact that a McDonalds employee could not afford all of this ammunition they said he had, while at the same time being addicted to Vicodin. This is completely contradictory of the fact they said he took off all the armor and etc and just calmly waited by his car. Why would he waste the cash on all that extra ammunition when as smart as he was; he clearly had to know that he wouldn't be able to use it all. Especially if his plan was to stand around and get caught afterwards..

In the common sense department; this whole story reeks of it's deficiency..

Instead of blaming guns maybe it's time to start blaming science, the academia and Universities, especially since this guy was highly intelligent.
It only takes a second to pull the trigger but it takes some time to get brainwashed.

Originally posted by WozaMeathed
reply to post by Tholidor

 

Was Colorado shooter a genius?

NO, he was a pathetic excuse for a human that has murdered innocent people with a gun.
HE IS A F***ing coward and not a genius.

you do realize smart people can also be bad people and do bad things right ?

in case you never thought of that....they can....

He can both be a smart person and a horrible person at the same time.

Anybody who fires on innocent people like that is a horrible person. But dumbasses usually aren't capable of working with DNA.

James Holmes was/is possessed by a demonic spirit entity. I wonder if there's a Mental Asylum anywhere nearby his home or place of hangout. Somehow, he got infected. This pretty much indicates he came into contact with some mental patients somewhere along the way, and a spirit hopped bodies. He must have a susceptibility to spirit infection, either from taking excessive alcohol or drugs.Being an intelligent man, with a weakness, he's prime candidate for demons looking for a suitable host. I know medical science only recognizes "bacteria" and "viruses" as infectious agents. But, there are other types of infection. Even "thoughts" can infect people. This is how a riot starts, for example, everybody gets infected by the strong thoughts of a few, and by contagion it spreads until a whole group of people are acting similarly. But the people generally need to be in close physical contact to get infected.

Strange, the CIA used to be located in Virginia, and then we had all these university students shooting up people in Virginia Tech etc,, then the CIA moves headquarters to Colorado, and we see university student doing the same thing here again. People claim it was Mind Control experiments back then in Virginia, looks like it's exactly the same thing here in Denver now. Are the CIA moving these Demons around? Or do the demons just like to follow the CIA wherever they go? Could all this just be coincidence?

reply to post by Tholidor


S&F, Tholidor, very interesting find.

I love wearing a tin-foil hat as much as anyone at ATS, but my initial response to this shooting was that Holmes was an enraged, people-hating, notoriety-seeking sociopath, but the more I learn about this case, the more questions come up.

Biochips... very interesting indeed.

P.S. Of course this tragedy is going to be used by the "Gun Control" lobby.

Are our NWO PTB rotten enough to stage this event to push their agenda for disarming Americans?

Yes. Yes, I think they are.

reply to post by NAMTERCES


His mother is a psychiatric nurse.
maybe she brought something home with her

Every so often I see something like this occur..

I hear about some heinous crime on the news and a day later, (or on the same day), they flash one of the most innocent looking people I've ever seen and name them as the culprit.

There was some sniper here in NY, who killed or shot some people and they pointed another really innocent looking person that did not even come close to fit a profile capable of doing this. I am very suspicious of these sort of events.

As soon as I saw that guys face on TV, I knew that he did not do it. I didn't even know his background at the time. I just knew he didn't do it.. for sure, without any doubt.

It's a very convenient thing to do, and you can kill 2 birds with one stone. Lets say this kid was the son or relative of some important political figure, or something he was working on did not sit well with the establishment, and they wanted to get rid of him; and simultaneously, they wanted to outlaw guns as personal property, well then this is the perfect crime.

People are framed all the time - I think that was also the case with the former IMF head that was accused of raping a hotel maid. It just didn't fit the bill.

It's interesting how Obama and Mitt Romney automatically started criticizing our gun laws, due to this event and branded him as "Evil". (It's humorous when you hear those guys use the word "Evil".)

reply to post by 08051962


Seems they got the right guy then. His mom also seems to know he was afflicted somehow, given her comments.She was not surprised at all. She probably saw in her son some of the same signs she observed in her patients, and couldn't make the connection that she may have brought something home from work. Science doesn't have a theory of infectious spirits. So, a doctor would be looking for a more mundane physical agent, like a chemical or biological germ. Maybe the infection gestated in James and matured when he got to Denver, or maybe being already infected he was so weakened that on arriving at his new University he picked up some additional local entities that were truly malevolent.

The wolf-pack is starting to increase its visibility. Get ready hahahaha. A new generation of revolutionaries is about to rise up. The age of aquarius in on its way.

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He came out of the theater and when confronted by the cops he submitted quietly .... WTF ?

Sounds like a scopolamine victim ..tell them anything and ..OK .. I'm sure this has a refined derivative somewhere ..

His background is in a very dangerous course of study when you consider the implications of it .

"Academically he was at the top of the top," a prime candidate for recruitment .

He lives in an area known for high a concentration covert Government activity .

Maybe he didn't want to play ball so he was used as a patsy ..gotta get that UN Gun Ban through Congress ..

I wonder ?

Originally posted by Garcian
The wolf-pack is starting to increase its visibility. Get ready hahahaha. A new generation of revolutionaries is about to rise up. The age of aquarius in on its way.

The "Age of Aquarius" (corresponds with Treta Yuga in this cycle) is about 2,000 years in the future.

Western astrologers are using the wrong zodiac.

Just because he's smart doesn't mean he's incapable of snapping and doing horrible things without "mind control" or whatever being involved. Smart people do messed up # all the time, a lot of them have less empathy then your average person and superiority complexes.

Leave it up to ATS to make a conspiracy out of literally every single big news headline, be it natural disasters, murders, celebrity deaths, election news, whatever. Literally I don't think I've seen a single big news story that ATS hasn't try to make into a conspiracy. Don't people see something wrong with that? Not everything that happens can be a conspiracy, sometimes, # just happens, come on.

There are murderers, mass murderers throughout history. Why does it have to be some genetic mind control mumbo jumbo now? I think it's more just the case that humans are violent creatures, some far more so then others.

Your whole post just makes massive assumptions and jumps to conclusions based on what you want to be true, there is really no evidence or anything. No one here should be making any conclusions just based on wild assumptions and a interesting sounding story. Please wait to see if there's any actual evidence before jumping to conclusions.

Originally posted by nOraKat

As soon as I saw that guys face on TV, I knew that he did not do it. I didn't even know his background at the time. I just knew he didn't do it.. for sure, without any doubt.

That's one way out of jury duty

In keeping with the "evil genius/intelligent student" concept of this particular thread I'm going to post my thoughts here, rather than in the original ATS thread: ABC News Exclusive: First Video of Colorado Shooting Suspect about a more recent development. The ABC clip is Holmes presenting his research work at a science camp - high school level.

".....I've been working with a temporal illusion. It's an illusion that allows you to change the past," Holmes said in the video.

"His goals are to become a researcher and to make scientific discoveries."

received a federal grant to work on his Ph.D. at one of the most competitive neuroscience programs in the country,

Boy I would luv to see his Masters/PhD thesis. There has to be a paper trail somewhere. You don't get these kind of grants and/or standing without having been published or presenting somewhere. This video is just the beginning of that career at the high school level. What about his undergrad work?

Also, since this is all we have to work with, it'd be interesting to see what his sponsor (Dr. Terrence Sejnowski) and mentor (John Jacobson) were/have been into.

Also, don't PhD candidates have to have a mentor and/or peer review of some sort? From everything I've read so far from MSM about his interactions with the PTB at UC they (UC) are being very vague and closed mouthed. They even blocked access to their Neuroscience web site.

Was able to find this at The Scientist

Holmes was a rotational student, doing stints in different labs before settling in one to complete his PhD research. He noted that in March Holmes did a rotation in the lab of Mark Dell’Aqua, who studies the role of kinase/phosphatase signaling complexes in channel and transcription factor regulation associated with learning, memory, and mental health disorders. Calls to Dell’Aqua went unanswered, and a member of his lab directed this reporter to University of Colorado spokesperson Jacque Montgomery, whose voicemail inbox was full as of Friday (July 20) morning.

and this...

On Friday, the website of the University of Colorado School of Medicine Neuroscience program—which contains contact information for students and faculty—went from being publicly accessible and searchable to being password protected and thus inaccessible by the general public. Numerous calls made to other principal investigators and laboratory personnel in the neuroscience program went unanswered.

When I found this I was wondering why the black out? Why not be upfront about info, after all they are receiving public grant money. Lots. So why batten down the hatches? My first knee jerk reaction is what are they hiding and/or what are they hoping will not come to light?

Ok, just thought I'd share. Down the rabbit hole I go to find more info. Peace to all.
Namaste.

He couldn't have been that "intelligent", he surrendered. He should have studied Bush's technique of playing stupid and incompetent. Then, he would have gotten away with murder!!!!!!!