Is John Titor back?!

reply to post by Signals


the video that is linked in both threads contains some titor nonsense in the OP's link

reply to post by dudez

wow that was cool

It has to be fake but a riveting watch

reply to post by James1982


Attacking first with traditional bombs first to perhaps destroy missile defence systems. Could this work?

Anyway,..back to Titor,... very debunked.

A nice story, but even I proved the geiger counter would not have helped him stay alive, to say the least.

Originally posted by Crakeur
...Canada invaded the US along the NY border and headed into NYC.
Now, assume that, since we were totally unprepared for this and we know that the city is lost, the residents either killed or being killed and, in a last ditch, desperate act, President Bozo, who unified the 2 parties to form the Republicrats, decides to nuke NYC and put a stop to the Canadian Army in one swift move.

Your evil plan for the annihilation of the Canadian forces on the eastern front has failed. President Bozo, your last hope as the great unifier in the Republicrats, has been revealed to be none other than Rob Ford, former mayor of Toronto, and with the assistance of his brother, mini-me Doug Ford, has not only secured the keys to your noo-klee-ar arsenal, but has also successfully captured Denver and imprisoned all your generals, senators and lady Ga Ga in the underground airport facility.

We are feeding them all on a diet of Twinkies, Tim Bits and grape slushies.

North America shall henceforth be known as Harpercadia.

Ok here goes:

1. The childs eyes being problematic after a flash of light captured by the camera, it is implied by the footage that the fash 'burnt' the childs eye. NOW if this was some form of weapons grade flash (we are talking high impact bomb here) the childs sclera woulf have haemorrhaged, thus resulting in well bleeding from the eyes. For those that doesnt make sense, the blood vestles on the eye are VERY close to the surface, a slight sunburn of the eye can result in a haemorrhage (AKA blood tears).

2. The man with the stomach wound had no abrasions or any visible wound. IT was like someone grabbed some fake blood and smered it all over someones torso to make it look like what i can only assume to be a punctured spleen (which is in the area of the 'bleeding'.) For someone who has never seen this there are two factors the fictional film writer did not take into account.

a. A ruptured or punctured spleen contains a fair amount of blood, rupturing this will simply cause the patient to bleed OUT very quickly without being in surgery, so as you can imagine that is a LOT of blood. (high up, next to your liver).

b. The back of the car transporting said individual was sterile (as in clean). There was no blood in the interia. For ANY severe torso wound bleeds a LOT, because the heart is close to the wound site, thus will have a tendancy to bleed a LOT, and of course the torso has a fair amount of critical blood pathways.

Lastly, the bombs being deployed in the area, the jet APPEARS to flow low, it punches it and goes into a rapid ascent, jet is out of view and the hill blows up (then the couple runs away). The problem with this one is the timing of the event. The jet sit flying REALLY low, it releases the bomb, and gives the film a good 10 seconds before the explosion, if i do my math right (which is probably off a tad, but its in the ball park), and judging by the sweeping movement of the jet (from the camera) we are looking at a jet flying approximately 100 feet off the deck (no pilot in their right mind, in a warzone would do that), the bomb should have slipped off the side of the hill impacting at the base. (Airspeed + drop speed). IF you say "but the bomber is flying further up!" you'd hear it. You heard the jet, then almost silence them boom, so there is nothing above them.

I also might want to add, the nuclear explosion is "simulated". Judging by the pan out (which is utter crud to begin with, as the thermic pressure would have blown that guy on his ass). Heres why:

Nuclear (and conventional bombs) have a themic wave componet, that is the air exploding outward (also known as the shockwave), given the distance and the implication that it is nuclear they made one key mistake. All nuclear weapons dont "hit the target" they explode mid air. This is to ensure the maximum explosive potential, and maximize damage. If you look at the three people huddle behind the little white car, you will also see the dust simply "steams" past in a line (almost like a dust storm) and envelops the couple.

In an explosive scenario (Non nuclear), you will get this timeline : Shockwave (Thermic wave, which would have been extreme, event for a 5mt nuclear weapon, and would have turned the "USB key" to mush, but ill discuss this below), then followed closly is the debris wave (Dust, rocks etc), which COULD have left things at their range along (ie not moving, like we where treated too)

Nuclear weapon has a much similar "timeline" or events. However these are a LOT more enegetic. The shockware WOULD have dislodged the car, the debris wave was not dense enough (the front debris wave would sucked the light from the atmosphere around the people, resulting a patch of complete darkness), and the tail of it would have become less dense (as the shockwave dissipates). The major flaw? There was no flash, there was no "suck" (Nuclear arms and most explosives suck atmosphere IN before the explosion).

Last but not least, the shockwave would have: Shatterd windows, knocked the guy off his feet, caused their ears to ring so loud they'd be on the ground in severe pain, the device used to record it would have been turned into mush, and the USB key they "recovered" would have been blank due to the EMP that would have proceeded the nuclear explosion.

Thank you and good night

Originally posted by smirkley
Anyway,..back to Titor,... very debunked.

A nice story, but even I proved the geiger counter would not have helped him stay alive, to say the least.

I read your` threads, I don't think John Titor is debunked by the geiger counter lol... even his "remote unit" was a radiation detector, plus the fact Titor never talked about the geiger counter in the photos. Though nice try!


However this video has nothing to do with Titor other than some CGI kid claims... lol

reply to post by dudez


I watched it until about 1:45. If you want to take the road that its scripted, 1:31 is all you need. A human being would be in a state of panic. They would be going white, perhaps thinking about turning the car around at the next possible exit. You might see a reaction from the other drivers. They wouldnt be doing a "What should I do now" type of jittery behavior to the camera.

Wars in the future will not be fought openly. They will be fought through covert operations. If thats what this video goes on to portray, a top secret government mission, then yes, there is some validity to it. If it goes on to demonstrate a country attacking the combined forces of Israel and America, then no, its all a pipe dream.

Pretty sure I already saw this video some months ago somewhere else.

The explosion effects are all pretty obviously CGI, but they sort of almost get away with it because of the very low resolution of video. It masks a lot.

Originally posted by Crakeur
reply to post by James1982

 

what if the city that was nuked was nuked by its own military? Say, for example, that Canada invades the US, travelling south to NYC.

Are these the members of the Canadian army you are referring to?



If so, I think we can save the nuke and just lock up all the beer. They will fall apart in a matter of hours.

Canadian army. Bahahah!

reply to post by Spruk


Nice analysis. I would also like to add that the woman's "scarf" is a Palestinian pattern. This might be a clue to the ultimate origin of this film clip. The take away message: Iran is prepared to sacrifice every Palestinian in order to destroy Israel. I don't think that's the message the film-makers were going for, do you?

Ok im lost were 2 nukes supposed to go off? ifso how the hell did they survive the first one and how the hell did they get the camera footage? btw is john titor the supposed guy from the future?

Originally posted by Spruk
Ok here goes:

1. The childs eyes being problematic after a flash of light captured by the camera, it is implied by the footage that the fash 'burnt' the childs eye. NOW if this was some form of weapons grade flash (we are talking high impact bomb here) the childs sclera woulf have haemorrhaged, thus resulting in well bleeding from the eyes. For those that doesnt make sense, the blood vestles on the eye are VERY close to the surface, a slight sunburn of the eye can result in a haemorrhage (AKA blood tears).

2. The man with the stomach wound had no abrasions or any visible wound. IT was like someone grabbed some fake blood and smered it all over someones torso to make it look like what i can only assume to be a punctured spleen (which is in the area of the 'bleeding'.) For someone who has never seen this there are two factors the fictional film writer did not take into account.

a. A ruptured or punctured spleen contains a fair amount of blood, rupturing this will simply cause the patient to bleed OUT very quickly without being in surgery, so as you can imagine that is a LOT of blood. (high up, next to your liver).

b. The back of the car transporting said individual was sterile (as in clean). There was no blood in the interia. For ANY severe torso wound bleeds a LOT, because the heart is close to the wound site, thus will have a tendancy to bleed a LOT, and of course the torso has a fair amount of critical blood pathways.

Lastly, the bombs being deployed in the area, the jet APPEARS to flow low, it punches it and goes into a rapid ascent, jet is out of view and the hill blows up (then the couple runs away). The problem with this one is the timing of the event. The jet sit flying REALLY low, it releases the bomb, and gives the film a good 10 seconds before the explosion, if i do my math right (which is probably off a tad, but its in the ball park), and judging by the sweeping movement of the jet (from the camera) we are looking at a jet flying approximately 100 feet off the deck (no pilot in their right mind, in a warzone would do that), the bomb should have slipped off the side of the hill impacting at the base. (Airspeed + drop speed). IF you say "but the bomber is flying further up!" you'd hear it. You heard the jet, then almost silence them boom, so there is nothing above them.

I also might want to add, the nuclear explosion is "simulated". Judging by the pan out (which is utter crud to begin with, as the thermic pressure would have blown that guy on his ass). Heres why:

Nuclear (and conventional bombs) have a themic wave componet, that is the air exploding outward (also known as the shockwave), given the distance and the implication that it is nuclear they made one key mistake. All nuclear weapons dont "hit the target" they explode mid air. This is to ensure the maximum explosive potential, and maximize damage. If you look at the three people huddle behind the little white car, you will also see the dust simply "steams" past in a line (almost like a dust storm) and envelops the couple.

In an explosive scenario (Non nuclear), you will get this timeline : Shockwave (Thermic wave, which would have been extreme, event for a 5mt nuclear weapon, and would have turned the "USB key" to mush, but ill discuss this below), then followed closly is the debris wave (Dust, rocks etc), which COULD have left things at their range along (ie not moving, like we where treated too)

Nuclear weapon has a much similar "timeline" or events. However these are a LOT more enegetic. The shockware WOULD have dislodged the car, the debris wave was not dense enough (the front debris wave would sucked the light from the atmosphere around the people, resulting a patch of complete darkness), and the tail of it would have become less dense (as the shockwave dissipates). The major flaw? There was no flash, there was no "suck" (Nuclear arms and most explosives suck atmosphere IN before the explosion).

Last but not least, the shockwave would have: Shatterd windows, knocked the guy off his feet, caused their ears to ring so loud they'd be on the ground in severe pain, the device used to record it would have been turned into mush, and the USB key they "recovered" would have been blank due to the EMP that would have proceeded the nuclear explosion.

Thank you and good night

I love you

reply to post by LvSLoLo


John Titor is supposed to be from the future There is a few threads where "he" supposedly authored them and spoke directly with us. Although most have decided it's a hoax, if you like sci-fi, it's a great read. Search for the threads and sit back with a beer. It's not a wast of time.

reply to post by network dude


Ok thanks are there any on ats?

reply to post by LvSLoLo


Here you go. Just click on the link and enjoy the read.

Quick question:

If this is from the future and the people on the film where dead how could they send it back in time? I don't think we will develop time travel in the space of 6 months :-/

Also, why bomb the place with Jet fighters and then nuke it? Why risk the lives of the pilots when you could just drop the nuke and have a couple lols?

reply to post by network dude


Thank you

To keep an open mind on this, a lot of software can do this sort of thing these days accessible even to college students and recently graduated film majors. It has a very Blair Witch feel of being "found footage". It is also well edited together. Something like this is certainly possible to make today with the right actors, access to special effects software and equipment, and the right location. Focus on distantly hit places is well.. distant and a bit distorted, on purpose or not, hard to tell. For the sake of a video like this it would not linger long. Then he we hit the big boom. The explosion could be artificially created in miniature and overlayed in either a blue/green screen or matte painting way, or the painstaking roto-scoping method, either way, it would not be easy and would take some time. The thing is every effect can be broken down and done today. It would possibly be out of reach of a film student, but definitely accessible to someone working with the backing, like a film studio. My experience is nowhere near expert in this, but that's my opinion of what the video shows knowing about the modern process of filmmaking that I know.

The other side of the coin is the scarier part. What if this is true? Is it even possible to return video from the future? At this point I figured Titor's original timeline would have long expired. And say this is genuine. The best way to change a prediction is to be aware of it. This simply existing would change that future. I'd definitely rather it not be genuine.

EDIT: After looking at this user's YT channel a bit closer I think this is simply well produced fear based videos. I think what's shown is scripted and a possibly realistic portrayal of what might happen should the SHTF, but definitely not genuine. I think it does have a purpose though.

It's probably intended to be a viral, for a new film,or a propaganda video...
2nd...

Even the time and date counter look completely different from the usual counter's you get on live action footage, definately added post-recording.