Hubble spots spiral galaxy that shouldn't exist

so they were wrong again whats next "Scientist launch the Hubble Space Telescope 2, aka Super Hubble, and discover even more galaxies beyond the Hubble deep space" i guess we were wrong again.

Originally posted by BacknTime
so they were wrong again whats next "Scientist launch the Hubble Space Telescope 2, aka Super Hubble, and discover even more galaxies beyond the Hubble deep space" i guess we were wrong again.

Perhaps, but at least they work towards a better understanding. If they find something that conflicts with what they know, or what they think they know, they don't throw their arms up and walk away. They work through the new information to get a better understanding. That is nothing to paint in a negative light.

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perhaps, but sometimes some of them make it seem like there saying "OH WE GOT IT!, we got the answer this is it! it wont get any better than this"
i sure some of them dont mean it like that and have an open mind to more possibilities but you cant deny that their are people who will believe they are always right no matter what the evidence.

^^^thats what i meant to say on the post you replied. i wasnt trying to be negative towards all of them. Its like when "i say im angry at the world" what i truly mean is that i mean angry at the corruption not at every single person

Originally posted by BASSPLYR
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Probably not since the swastika has four prongs/arms on it and the galaxy painting you are referring to only has 3.

However, the artist could have been a buddhist since the nazi's hijacked that symbol from them. GO into any buddhist temple and you will see it all over the place in chains along the walls. On statues. So the artist may have been buddhist. Certainly better than a nazi.

LOL It was merely a joke mate, no need to take it all serious...

Originally posted by NeoVain
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So the reason it shouldn´t exist is because of the time the light takes to get here, which is 10,7 billions years for this particular one, which means it existed in this spiral formation 10,7 billion years ago, when spiral galaxies was not formed(according to the mainstream big bang theory).

So in short, according to the mainstream big bang theory, the galaxy cannot exist. But since it exists, what does this tell us?

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It may only tell us that the current mainstream theory is incomplete. It doesn't necessarily mean it is wrong.

Current mainstream theories (such as the Big bang Theory) are not static and unchanging. They are constantly being refined. That's just normal everyday science.

Originally posted by Daemonicon
... If they find something that conflicts with what they know, or what they think they know, they don't throw their arms up and walk away. They work through the new information to get a better understanding. That is nothing to paint in a negative light.

Yes. This.

Refining the current theories of how nature works is what science is all about; that's just science doing its job. I'm not sure why some people see this constant knowledge refinement as something "negative".

Man talk about advanced civilizations! Logic would suggest this place is fully colonized!

10.7 billion years is an unimaginable amount of time!

Originally posted by NeoVain
So in short, according to the mainstream big bang theory, the galaxy cannot exist. But since it exists, what does this tell us?

That you've not read the article?

The spiral structure exists because of a [presumably] short lived interaction with a nearby dwarf galaxy which is slowly merging with the larger galaxy.

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Perfect. Just posting so I find the thread later.

Originally posted by Donkey_Dean
Man talk about advanced civilizations! Logic would suggest this place is fully colonized!

10.7 billion years is an unimaginable amount of time!

If it's still there.

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People

Originally posted by Donkey_Dean
Man talk about advanced civilizations! Logic would suggest this place is fully colonized!

10.7 billion years is an unimaginable amount of time!

If it's still there.

Someone posted earlier that they said the galaxy would only last 100million years so it is long dead and recombined into some other galaxy. But that newer galaxy may still be going strong and be fully colonized.

Originally posted by Dizrael
definately my favorite quote from the article.

The calculations also suggest, however, that the merger would be rapid and that the spiral would disappear after a relatively brief 100 million years.

the article said it, i was quoting it. cuz 100 millions years is "brief" when you imagine the 10.7 billions years.

and i believe the 100 million year "life span" was in reference to its merger with the smaller dwarf system and the spiral shape. i think it could still be there, just in a different form.

found another story for the same formation.

Another Article

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its interesting to note that the galaxy has a super massive black hole at its centre,
how this blackhole formed in the time given, by the age of the universe is almost as impressive an anomaly as the galaxy itself.

there are two things that spring to mind,

we can yet again speed up the galaxy evolution models (faster collisions of galaxies)
or we can asume that black holes are generated much much faster than current estimates allow.

do we extend the age of the universe
or speed up galaxy formation curves?

very interesting observation
star and flag

xploder

I cant stop day dreaming about life there.
Imagine how advanced they must be.
I cant help but think of "Star Wars" all those worlds probably interacting trading warring ect with each other.
Blows my mind in a good way.

This stuff is just so cool. Honestly the more we grow the more we find out but I highly doubt we'll ever find the truth behind the universe. I just don't see how that is possible. I hope I can be come back to this place 1000 years from now just to see where we are at.

Originally posted by verschickter
This:

Is an artists rendering.I don´t think its the actual picture. Some might read the description under the picture:

Artist's rendering of the oldest known spiral galaxy. The red area in the upper right corner is a dwarf galaxy that is merging with it.

Our own spiral galaxy (the Milky Way) is actually merging with a dwarf galaxy as well. "The Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy (Sag DEG) was once a part of a binary galactic system, similar to the present-day Large and Small Magellanic Clouds. Each of the two galaxies in this hypothetical earlier system could have produced a leading and trailing tail on falling into the Milky Way Galaxy, yielding four tails in all." source

In fact, it has been suggest that our solar system is passing through the Milky Way (alien space) and that our real home is the much older Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy. In our movement through space, our Earth has now fully begun to respond to the more powerful galactic energies and electro-gravitational bias of the massive Milky Way. We have reached the higher energy equatorial disc region of the massive spiral arm. We have now been "adopted" by a new system, a stronger and more powerful system, and we can expect changes on almost every level of energy.

The fact that the Milky Way is seen in the sky at an angle has always puzzled astronomers. If we originated from the Milky Way, we ought to be oriented to the galaxy's ecliptic, with the planets aligned around our Sun in much the same angle as our Sun aligns with the Milky Way. Instead, as first suggested by researcher Matthew Perkins Erwin, the odd angle suggests that our Sun is influenced by some other system. Together with data from the Two-Micron All Sky Survey we now know what it is. We actually belong to the Sagittarius Dwarf galaxy.

source: viewzone2.com...

Researchers also suggest that the Milky Way may have swallowed-up more dwarf galaxies than was previously thought. After a close study of the chemical properties of various star clusters, they found that many of the foreign clusters originally existed within dwarf galaxies -- 'mini' galaxies of up to 100 million stars that sit within our larger Milky Way. The study suggests that there are more of these accreted dwarf galaxies in our Milky Way than was thought. Once again this calls into question the Big Bang theory.

ScienceDaily (Feb. 26, 2010) As many as one quarter of the star clusters in our Milky Way -- many more than previously thought -- are invaders from other galaxies, according to a new study. The report also suggests there may be as many as six dwarf galaxies yet to be discovered within the Milky Way rather than the two that were previously confirmed.

So it turns out, the Milky Way is actually not our parent galaxy. Surprise, what you were taught in school was wrong. We are the alien invaders from another galaxy in the process of joining with the Milky Way! As we pass through perhaps we we will make first contact or jump off this old rock.




At first, many astronomers thought that the SagDEG had already reached an advanced state of destruction, so that a large part of its original matter was already mixed with that of the Milky Way. Subsequent observations indicated, however, that substantial parts of SagDEG still exist in a severely distorted fashion. Moving in a roughly polar orbit around the Milky Way as close as 50,000 ly from its galactic center. The mystery of why the Milky Way has always been sideways in the night sky has never been answered -- until now.

www.solstation.com...

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What's more probable... the galaxy shouldn't exist OR our science is wrong?

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
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What's more probable... the galaxy shouldn't exist OR our science is wrong?

im not real sure why this question is directed at me, but i guess i can field this one for the people that discovered it.

ummm, our science is probably INCOMPLETE, since we dont know EVERYTHING. they make educated guess' according to what they do know and fill in the blanks.

sound about right?

Interesting. I would venture to say that the little dots around the spiral are galaxies which are much older than the spiral they are showing which means that they better correct their calculation because it would mean the universe is much much older than what they say it is.

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
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What's more probable... the galaxy shouldn't exist OR our science is wrong?

The article explains why scientists think the galaxy exists as a spiral, when it seems too old to be a spiral...
Science isn't wrong as much as science is continuously evolving. The basic understand we have still works, but every once in a while, something new comes along that requires the mainstream ideas to be tweaked a bit.

That is completely normal for science. Every theory and hypothesis is NOT a static and unchanging strict hard-and-fast rule. Theories are constantly being tweaked/adjusted by new discoveries and new ideas.