I used to like Penn and Teller until I saw this video

reply to post by Wonderer2012


Wow. I thought you may have been exaggerating, but if anything you were light handed. Jeez the language this guy is using! and just attacking everything that doesn't fit his point of view. What a douchebag. Anyone that argues with that level of profanity and intellect loses their credibility straight away in my eyes, just attacking instead of laying out a solid argument. And like the OP said why bother with the all the effort if this is your view? Was it really necessary to make this video just to rag on people who have a different opinion?

Originally posted by detachedindividual
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I hate the arrogance of those who blindly trust the official story, and I hate ignorance in all its forms. If there is a single person on Earth who can truly look at the events of 9/11 and not have some serious questions they are, in my estimation, retards.

I don't care what someone thinks happened, no sane person can dispel all of the suspicious events surrounding 9/11. The official story does not answer most of the important questions, and therefore anyone who attacks others for daring to think about it or express their concern is a pretty messed up person.

Penn and Teller are now officially retards in my book. If they can seriously hold such pathetic views they are either deluded idiots or just trolls looking for attention - neither option is gonna get my support.

Of course the official story is right, what kind of a deluded idiot would not believe an official report to which the crew doing the report themselves deplored how they were kept from things and which report is under the direction of the son of a guy who was funding the nazis...

What kind of a nut job wouldn't believe a man who famously said "If the American people ever find out what we have done, they will chase us down the streets and lynch us"

Some people you can show them aliens, ghost and Satan himself face to face and they'll still ask for proofs of God... Most of them know the truth but are in denial because the truth is often to much to bear... The same reaction as alot of people have when they hear a close relative is dead and they react saying "No it can't be I know he's alive, not him your wrong he's okay I know it!!!"

Science can't still explain why hot water freezes faster then cold water yet almost nobody take science with a grain of salt and blindly trust it...

PS: Watch them use my faith as primary tool to try to attack me with now... typical...

reply to post by DerepentLEstranger


You just quoted Dune to prove a point?

You do know it's made up, right?

Funny, If 911 isn't a conspiracy theory then how come a group of terrorists conspired to take over those planes
with box cutters? Did they conspire to do so?
How can a country who posesses nuclear weapons and is at the pinnacle of technology be brought to its knees
by a small group of people with essentially razor blades?

Penn & Teller are hardly experts on this. Their "Skepticism" consists of picking a few easy targets and shouting "bull#" from time to time. Penn Jillette = ad hominem douchebag.
(That doesn't mean to say I find their material un entertaining.)

If it is all bull# like they say, then they should be able to do a 1:1 rebuttal on each point which they don't.
Limbo

Originally posted by Limbo

How can a country who posesses nuclear weapons and is at the pinnacle of technology be brought to its knees
by a small group of people with essentially razor blades?

Do you find that frightening? That an ostensibly secure country with huge technological and economic advantages can be brought to the edge of panic by a handful of determined men?

Penn and Teller are also avid Monsanto and GMO supporters. They did a skit on how Monsanto and GMO's is going to save the planet and they are going to end world hunger. What a crock

But, I will say there are a couple of things I agree with them on, such as drug legalization. For the most part, I can't stand them. Someone who can be that supportive of Monsanto and the 9/11 OS is a complete jackass.

I was pretty annoyed to say the least over Penn & Teller's bull# episode on 9/11, very disappointed. However, did you know a few years later Penn Jillette changed his view about his 9/11 beliefs?

Here's the video, enjoy.

Originally posted by detachedindividual

Originally posted by ats777jed
Brilliant? The laws of physics were suspended on 9/11/2001. One example is that NIST reported that WTC Building 7 fell at free fall speed but they can not explain why. I understand it is very scary to believe rogue elements within the US Government engineered 9/11, but it is a fact.

I wouldn't bother, the facts and suspicious events surrounding 9/11 are well known, and those who cannot question their government would rather believe that pigs can fly. People will bend every law of physics, probability and nature, they'll ignore evidence, and create evidence where none exists, all to avoid thinking about what REALLY happened.

It's best to just leave these people in a room with American Idol on the TV and a never ending supply of burgers. They'll refuse all forms of critical thinking and prefer their vegetative state of complete compliance.

I believe these (the majority of people, as sad as it is) for whatever reason don't have:

A) - The psychological and or intellectual ability to think for themselves, added to...
B) - ...an arrogant megalomaniacal outlook on life and reality in general, added to...
C) - ...a more primitive animalistic mindset. The type of person that would talk louder in an argument to try to win the argument, whether they were right or wrong. Such a person cares nothing for facts or even whatever the issue is at hand, as long as dominance is established and continued to be held in their hands. Such a person sees any challenge at their "accepted" view on anything as a primitive challenge at their "dominance", and any issue other than their "dominance" comes second. I believe this is a deep psychological instinct, that most all people have to be familiar with, as it just comes with being human. But at some point we have to be able to separate ourselves intellectually from our primal instincts, or else we are no better than any other animal, we might as well go back to walking on all fours. If someone ignores facts in an argument, and counters yours with intimidation instead of any relevant point or anything, this is the reason. These people are scum. I know it is wrong, but I have had to give up on people like this. Sometimes I feel like I live on a dessert island by myself, and if it wasn't for the internet and forums like ats I would feel very alone. It is wayyy too bad for my blood pressure having any sort of confrontation with scum this like.

Originally posted by Merlin Lawndart
Penn and Teller are also avid Monsanto and GMO supporters. They did a skit on how Monsanto and GMO's is going to save the planet and they are going to end world hunger. What a crock

I think someone has to be severely uninformed to be anything but abhorrently opposed to monsanto and gmo's.

reply to post by Wonderer2012

If conspiracies are so pathetic and false, then why invest the time into making a TV show to humiliate and discredit them and to try their best to make people stick to the official 9/11 story?

The question should be one that is easy to answer. Because people, even intelligent people, can be led to believe even the most pathetic and absurd nonsense. In fact that's what Penn and Teller's show was all about, people's propensity to buy into things, to even self-deceptive lengths, they are magicians after all.

I don't think questioning 911 is disrespectful to the victims, but then a lot of the tactics of the 911 conspirators were pretty shameful or at the very least embarrassing. I remember getting a dollar bill in a transaction that had stamped on it in big bold letters that 911 was an inside job and that drones, not airliners, hit the towers that day. Can you honestly say that's not disrespectful to the people who were on those planes, for some nutjobs to pretend they never existed, or are alive and perfectly fine somewhere?

Pursuing the truth is one thing, pretending you have it and then shouting through a bullhorn at people is another thing, not to mention folks who made a career or bolstered a career out of 911 truth, I mean for Pete sake Zeitgeist promotes an entire "political" movement with a large portion of its foundational document(ary) built on 9/11 conspiracies.

I don't consider Penn and Teller to be sacred, they've admitted to making plenty of mistakes in the making of BS. Obviously your respect for them didn't extend very far if you're willing to stop liking them at the first sign that they disagree with you on a HIGHLY controversial topic. You can't expect everyone to be on your side when you take sides on a topic like that can you? I'm an atheist but most of the people I know are believers of one variety or another, am I going to stop respecting them simply because they believe ridiculous nonsense about a man-god born of a virgin? Nope.

Originally posted by RealSpoke
Uh, in the real world people are going to disagree with you on things. Disliking someone for having a different opinion than you is just childish.

I have an opinion that you aught to surrender half of your income to me. Ohh, and all your things are taxed yearly - or I come take them from you at gunpoint? Disagree with me? Then obviously you're childish.


Anyways, OP, I like P&T. Their episode on 9/11 is the only one I disagreed with them on. Maybe one other, but I forgot. They are generally pretty cool dudes, but yes, your sentiment about the 9/11 episode is correct.

Originally posted by Insolubrious
I was pretty annoyed to say the least over Penn & Teller's bull# episode on 9/11, very disappointed. However, did you know a few years later Penn Jillette changed his view about his 9/11 beliefs?

Here's the video, enjoy.

edit on 20-7-2012 by Insolubrious because: (no reason given)

Well, he doesn't really say much and he still insists 9/11 truthers are 'whackjobs' and 'full on assholes'.

It just goes to show he ran that show without even knowing what he was talking about. He took the '9/11 truthers are stupid mother#ers' and that was the line he took without considering the questions and evidence.

To now turn around and say 'I don't know' after making money from that show, IMO, makes him the asshole. May he long enjoy the money he made from that episode!

Just think about that, the show was saying it was disrespectful to the victims, yet he was making money from it making fun of legitimate questions regarding the truth of 9/11. Think about that one.

A guy who spits profanities every odd second and wears a suit at the same time speaks volumes, at least his loud throat does. I couldn`t care less if he makes sense in anything else, it is like agrreing with the guy who chewed of face of a homeless person that he has the same favourite colours as I do. All I care he is incapable of unbiased scrutiny of the subject he is speaking about, that is all I need to know to ignore him forever, no matter if he would have been in agreement with me or not.

reply to post by Wonderer2012


Man I am tired of all you conspiracy nutcases who continue this bullcrap, that 911 was the new world order, it was all George Bush's plan, etc etc

You guys pull up one little thing and run wild with it. Such as that lie that no Jews / Israelis were killed on 911, but if you go to the official reports you see that somewhere of several hundred such persons died on that day. etc.

Kudos to Penn and Teller for telling you nutcases the way it is.

These buildings were attempted to be brought down in the 90's by the Blind Sheik and his followers. That is all confirmed and investigated. Bin Laden talked for YEARS about possible ways to take down the buildings to hurt the financial sector of America.

If Bill Clinton had allowed our FBI and CIA and others to communicate to each other instead of being stone walled by that order put up by Jamie Gurrellick to stop agency cross communication all of this may have been prevented. And if Bill Clinton had given the order to Assasinate Bin Laden when Snipers had him in the cross hairs Twice, maybe this would have been avoided that way.

I think people are taking the Penn and Teller show far too seriously, its scripted entertainment, they are the shock jocks of magic and to maintain that they have to keep pushing the edge in some way. Calling people names seems to be the Penn routine when he runs out of intelligent words.

The whole 9/11 thing makes for very high emotions either way and of course P&T played on this, its what they do and its entertainment so its fair game to be honest, you can't have your favourite subjects all the time.

But this brings me to my pet hate on here, people who just blindly attack people just to be in the pack.

You may believe 9/11 or not but keep it civil and have something worth saying, we have all seen the little snap comments time and time again, please be above that.

To be fair none of us know the full truth or not, NIST didn't do a very good job and were incomplete in their report so like it or not we don't have all the facts. ->MY

I thought Penn & Teller was acerbically funny for a bit -- but I watched one too many of their "Bullsh!t" shows on Showtime. When I'd watched episodes on ADD/ADHD -- as if it were all a total con job to get kids out of homework, or when I saw them "debunk" such things as gun control and PETA -- it seemed they went far beyond merely slapping down the pretentious (which I find fun and healthy).

These guys use all the classic techniques to discredit but in a disingenuous way. They often get the most extreme, least fact-filled representative to play the part of "the spokesperson" for the entire group. They sample interviews and cut away to themselves acting like clowns.

Sure, occasionally on their show you could learn something -- but if you used this show to form an opinion, you are making a bad choice.

>> It's par for the course that they'd tackle 911. There are plenty of conspiracy theories -- but why do people have those? When you get nothing but lies and misinformation -- people have to "figure out" what's going on. If the government had been transparent and not acting like it was CYA the entire time -- then there would probably be a lot fewer theories going around.

But this idea that 19 hijackers just "got lucky" and cameras stopped working, NORAD got confused, FAA agents destroyed RADAR tapes, the administration kept the FBI from investigating, they sent the family of their main suspect home the next day, there were a lot of videotapes confiscated and never viewed, there was a plane that made a small hole in the ground but parts were scattered over a mile but we are supposed to think something didn't happen before it hit the ground -- THINGS LIKE THAT.

I've had my fill of shoddy attempts at science and trying to make me think that there was something magical about that WTC fire.

Penn & Teller should just stick to making jokes and revealing magic secrets the took from others.

OK, here is a fresh new anecdote about 9/11 guys, did mention it somewhere else......a friend of mine, Frank, had the idea of beginning a string of squats in the countryside in England......one was in an area called "Titon" not that that is definitely the spelling......
He thinks he may have disturbed some military underground construction plans with the Titon squat, and because of that he began to suspect that two government agents had been assigned to do a job on this situation.....to stop Frank & discredit him.......he is not a conspiracy theory type.....one of the two agents was an American putatively retired, the other was David Shayler, some people might be amazed by that name coming into this (......one could only suspect ((as a side issue)) that Shayler's incarceration ((and his divorce from Annie Mahon)) earlier in this decade had actually all been to create an image for him, such that he infiltrated leftie groups more easily, which in this instance is precisely what he did.)
The American infiltrator was more affable, garrulous, friendly basically.......Frank asked him bluntly "Do you think explosives were planted in the 9/11 towers?"
He answered: "Of course I think explosives were already planted in the towers! You guys don't know how far in advance we plan these things. We had explosives planted in the towers yeeeeaaaaars before people would believe. We always plan these things years earlier than the public realise. When the conspiracy theorists noticed that a professional demolition squad was missing for the two weeks before 9/11, all they were needing to do is PRIIIIME the explosives."
Someone on Above Top Secret attempted to ridicule that because a squatter claimed it: my response is: "Really? Do you know squatters' capabilities from the point of view of travelling to meet numerous squatters in various English towns, travelling from say, London's squats to Nottingham's squats, then to Bristol's squats? To start squats, the first thing they need to be is pretty impressive electricians, at the most fundamental level. Then they need to become pretty good plumbers, and all these things need to be done safely." Even a millionaire looked envious of my ability to travel all over the country, so when someone comes out with a government shill of a response ask them: do you have the FINANCIAL ability to KNOW about what you just tried to tell us you know about? Very few people do.
Also, I put a few posts on the Marconi/Alien thread started by anathema777, they thought I'd ran away. Tell them I did no such thing.

I remember seeing this Penn and Teller video many years ago. They basically use playground tactics with no real substance. Probably appealed to some people at the time. Puerile at best.

reply to post by Wonderer2012


I love Penn & Teller. And this video makes me love them even more. They hooked my with their "Recycling is BS" episode.

Press on, P & T, keep rockin' it.

Brilliant. Kudos to Penn and Teller

reply to post by Monger


The presentation, you mean, not the viewpoint. Which is of course garbage.