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Originally posted by Ladysophiaofsandoz
While I enjoyed reading your post I must say NO I do not agree. Among the grains of truth are some ideas that could be very dangerous.
Originally posted by chadderson
To say one is not responsible is to say one is not here to learn any lesson at all. We are witnesses to creation and it is our job to pay attention and learn. We live in a world that is manipulated by people that do not just stand by and witness the work of god, but attempt to manipulate it with their own willpower. Being an observer to this, we experience pain and pleasure, it is up to us to be responsible and pull our selves out of the system and truly see it for what it's worth.
The 3 False Notions That Create Karma
For people to hold Karma, they firstly have to believe in the false notion of individual separated Selves.
Secondly, they have to believe in the false notion of Control/Influence.
Originally posted by Ladysophiaofsandoz
I for one enjoy feeling. Feeling good feeling bad it's part of the human experience. The ability to feel is amazing the range and scope of human emotion. Sorrow, love, joy maybe I am not ready to ascend. I don't want to not feel to deny myself the pleasure of knowing that I am alive. As for children, I was not going to have any children because the world was not the safe loving place it should be but fate had other plans. When I lost two of my children I thought I was going to die I felt as if my heart had been ripped out but I would do it all over again. The love felt between parent and child is amazing and beautiful.
I realize I am a part of EVERYTHING and that EVERYTHING is a part of me I cant think that there is no responsibility that comes with that kind of knowledge. I don't consider it a debt but rather a responsibility I gladly bear.
I am not saying you are wrong just that you can't remove responsibility from the equation. I will always do all I can to push things forward I can't just ride the cosmic flow come what may it's just not in my nature. Maybe I will end up missing the bus but maybe this one isn't going my way anyhow. What ever happens I wish you well on your journey but please don't forget to enjoy the ride.
Thirdly, they have to believe in the false notion of Responsibility.
Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by timerty
Let me see if I can break this down....
The 3 False Notions That Create Karma
For people to hold Karma, they firstly have to believe in the false notion of individual separated Selves.
But we do have separated selves, at least I do. I am a Spirit, and I own and ride in a carbon based human body. Two selves right there.
Secondly, they have to believe in the false notion of Control/Influence.
How can Control/Influence be a false notion? I have Control in my life, from many different things, like the Government fully controls my income and insurance, and I am also controlled by prices. There are influences on me too, and on everyone. Humanity itself influences me.
Originally posted by Ladysophiaofsandoz
I thank you for the good laugh. Angry? No. The universe is not responsible for anything that happens good or bad. You missed my point I take the good and the bad because in the end it is ALL the same.
Your post reminds me on the monks who stop eating, stop moving, stop living in an effort not to cause any harm or good. We are here for a reason I don't think it is to STOP being.
I am in love with the universe. I am enjoying this experience and all the things it has to offer. I wound up here at this place and at this moment for a reason and yes I am going to stumble my way around the place like a drunken bull in a china shop till I figure it out. I am going to learn and experience. Enlightenment is not something anyone can teach you. Sure they can tell you how THEY got there but everyone has to come to that place on their own. Spoilers I want to read the book,watch the movie myself. What I take away from it will be my own.
Originally posted by Awakened2012
I personally have met Dolores & I know what she is all about. Oh and mr.Timerty, you are absolutely 100% with your typing. With this little deadline we have, Im so far 4th &1/2 pushing strong. Love your thread here, flagged & star'ed it so to speak
Originally posted by 1littlewolf
Hey man,
Congratulations on writing one of the first real accounts of karma and how one gets it that I've ever read on ATS. One thing you may want to emphasize is that although personal responsibility may well be an illusion, the fact is one still has to live with the consequences of our actions.
Also I do not see how having children necessarily effects our karma levels. I do understand how you may accumulate karma but I would completely disagree that children automatically equals karma.