Further proof that 'something' happened at Roswell

For those of you who are new to the world of Ufology in 1947 an alien spacecraft purportedly crashed in the desert of Roswell, New Mexico. Four alien bodies were recovered, three dead and one alive. If you wish to read more about the Roswell case click on the following link:

The Case for Roswell

Now for those of you who watched 'Chasing UFO's last night you would have seen the following that I am about to post. Basically the team went out and investigated the crash site where the Roswell incident occurred. James Fox started off by finding a piece of metal and then later on they came across something more significant:



When the team went back to base they came up with an official government document which suggested that the button was present on military uniforms between 1947 - 1949.



This adds yet more fuel to the flames. I believe something did happen at Roswell, what do you think?

I think the cast of that show planted the button.

I really see zero proof that anything besides a weather balloon crash happened at Roswell.

Originally posted by DaTroof
I think the cast of that show planted the button.

I really see zero proof that anything besides a weather balloon crash happened at Roswell.

I have to agree. That seems like a VERY well preserved 60+ year old button.

That metal button obviously was added recently... With all curious people / societies / whatever investigating the case and the zone, it can't have been left there for 65 years without having been found or moved on elsewhere by winds... plus it looks pretty clean...

and EVEN if that metal button was found now and was waiting for 65 years there... What is it supposed to proove ? That military were around ? That part is absolutely no secret...

Originally posted by Catalyst317

Originally posted by DaTroof
I think the cast of that show planted the button.

I really see zero proof that anything besides a weather balloon crash happened at Roswell.

I have to agree. That seems like a VERY well preserved 60+ year old button.

I think it's highly likely that they planted the button as it would not have been possible for it to just be laying there above the soil after all of these years, as it appears to be in the pic. They scoured the area with all sorts of equipment and personnel. However I further believe this show is part of the plan to reveal the existence of EBEs and the show and the button becomes part of that process. Of late, there's just been too much hitting the MSM in terms of leaked or released information to just be a coincidence.

I also see no proof of a weather balloon, no matter what was eventually shown to the public.

I've watched the show a few times and it is done pretty poorly IMO.

I don't see the significance of the button, it wasn't a case of no-show on the part of the military, they were there. No reason either to think it was planted, there had to be a clean-up anyway, regardless of whatever hit the ground.

BTW, the weather balloon scenario has long been dropped officially, and the official report by the GAC, is in fact two reports, one to deal with a craft, (not a weather balloon per se, but an aerial secret sound detector) and the other was to deal with the 'dead bodies' aka crash test dummies. These were actually urelated test reports, all a bit silly really.

Roswell is still wide open, and the GAC shouldn't have bothered.

The military admitted they were there. There is no secret about that so what is the point with the button?

Also, I bet every man and his dog have been over there with a metal detector in the last 50+ years so that button would have been picked up by now.

I have often wondered if Roswell was a trap set by the military to bring down a flying saucer. Instead of firing bullets and missiles, which can be detected by their heat signature, send up large transparent balloons which are invisible on radar and have the same temperature as the surrounding air

If I am not mistaken there were two crash sites at Roswell. The first on the Foster Ranch which may have been the Mogul balloon and possibly some debris from the saucer. The second crash site, some miles away, could have been the saucer itself

Just one of my crazy theories..

Some people are very gullible

The area has been dug up numerous times, with no ''proof'' of anything. Now this TV show comes around that has many seemingly staged ''scenes'' finds a Military button & its proof .

Okay.

reply to post by ProfessorT


I did not watch the show but what does a button prove besides that there were military personnel in the area ? If they analyzed the button and found strange radiation or DNA on it that would be a different story .

The skeptic inside me questions that out of all the visitors who go to Roswell and walk around searching for debris it was the tv crew for Chasing UFO's who just happened to "find" this needle in a haystack.

With that said, if it is a coincidence could the timing be any better? TV crew, in the year 2012 under the established coat tails of National Geographic.

Maybe it's too good to be true, then again, maybe it is a coincidence.

Originally posted by danaBLAF
Some people are very gullible

The area has been dug up numerous times, with no ''proof'' of anything. Now this TV show comes around that has many seemingly staged ''scenes'' finds a Military button & its proof .

Okay.

Perhaps the cast dug up an area that had remained untouched or perhaps the areas that were disturbed, which did harbour material from the crash were blown down the valley and they just happened to be the spots where these metal objects were found. The show has staged scenes but what is your point? Every documentary has staged scenes.

The military button adds further proof that 'something' happened in that field. It's very unlikely a military button would end up all the way out in the desert unless 'something' happened which meant the military were called there. Also due to to them being produced between 1947-1949 it adds further weight to the Roswell story.

Originally posted by rick004
reply to post by ProfessorT

 

I did not watch the show but what does a button prove besides that there were military personnel in the area ? If they analyzed the button and found strange radiation or DNA on it that would be a different story .

I think it proves a few things. First, that the military were searching for something and second this ties in with many reports that soldiers were going through the field on their hands and knees picking up as many pieces of the downed object as they could before the industrial hoovers were brought in. Even with industrial hoovers it would have been impossible to collect every single piece of the object that crashed.

reply to post by ProfessorT


You said something about every documentary staging scenes not true, hence the term documentary. On the other hand most generic tv shows do stage scenes yet it is an insult to "accurate" documentaries on Roswell to have its genre tarnished because this distinction was not made.

reply to post by ProfessorT


A button left out in the elements for 60+ years would not look like that. This is proof of nothing more than a hoax.

Like FatPatsyHead pointed out:

Originally posted by fatpastyhead
The military admitted they were there. There is no secret about that so what is the point with the button?

Also, I bet every man and his dog have been over there with a metal detector in the last 50+ years so that button would have been picked up by now.

The military has never denied being there and with all of the controversy surrounding that area, both civilians and military personnel have been over that area with metal detectors, and I assume more sophisticated equipment, for decades.

So, even if they found a button, that only means the military was there at some point. Maybe doing drills? Why does everyone jump to conclusions than think about it rationally? Was the button found in the clutches of a dead alien hand or powering a space craft? Again, this is "proof" of nothing, other than what we already know.

"Chasing UFOs" has not been shown on the Nat Geo channel in the UK so I have not seen it. Every review coming out of North America though seems to be painting it as a very poor series akin to Ghost Hunters. So there is a possibility that this button was indeed planted there for "entertainment" purposes.

However even if it wasn't what does it ultimately prove? A US serviceman could have lost it at any time in those two years in a mission totally unlinked to the events surrounding the Roswell case.

It is probably as worthy evidence as if the TV crew went wandering around Rendlesham Forest and discovered a 1980 USAF button.

I think personally that we as a species would be ignorant and arrogant to think we are alone, as a relatively new cosmic event ( the formation of our universe) I think we are being observed from afar, if all governments allowed a freedom of information on all encounters, sightings and abductions there would be panic, religion would become an object of ridicule , faith would be lost. Without faith, (over 90% of our planet believes in a god in one form or another), there would be anarchy, a destablisation of economies and trade. We all look for answers but do we really need the truth?, do we all honestly think the massive advancement in technology we have experienced as a species in the last 70 years was down to pure scientific discovery and not down to de-engineered recovered tech from unknown source. We all enjoy basic humanity, the politeness and helpfullness of strangers, the ability for selfless acts above and beyond the call of duty, how would that feel in a free for all, stronger survives scenario, where the weak would die, humanity lost. We have pyramids in the South Americas, the Middle East and Asia, these predate mans ability to cross oceans, they are all similar in size and even height yet this isnt even worthy of a footnote in most scientific journals, an extinct race of people who deformed their heads into a shape to emulate the star people, we have remains and carvings just a curiosity. One example of thousands of unexplained phenomena from across our planet yet we fixate on cover ups, of course there are cover ups, we cant handle the truth, the reality, our economy and way of life cant handle the truth and our humanity certainly cant handle full disclosure of all facts. Its in our nature to be curious but will it be a case of curiosity killing humanity, we will all have to wait and see. Great site.....

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How do you know people would lose faith? Do you speak for all of humanity that anarchy would ensue?

All you can do is speculate. I can, in turn, speculate that disclosure would bring humanity closer together as we wouldn't fight over our petty problems and would focus all of our energy to either contact with the aliens or building a defense against potential attack. I think this may unite us as a people.

Even if the button wasnt planted, I'm not sure what it would prove. We KNOW the military investigated at Roswell, regardless of what really happened. So the button would prove what, exactly?

Originally posted by ProfessorT
The military button adds further proof that 'something' happened in that field. It's very unlikely a military button would end up all the way out in the desert unless 'something' happened which meant the military were called there. Also due to to them being produced between 1947-1949 it adds further weight to the Roswell story.

Like others have said, it adds nothing. Maybe you should brush up on the whole Roswell story. The military has not only never denied being there, they openly admit it. There are "official" Air Force reports, documenting their presence and investigation of the incident. The only arguments are about what it was they recovered, in the course of that investigation.

Originally posted by MysteriousHusky
reply to post by ProfessorT

 

You said something about every documentary staging scenes not true, hence the term documentary. On the other hand most generic tv shows do stage scenes yet it is an insult to "accurate" documentaries on Roswell to have its genre tarnished because this distinction was not made.

edit on 15-7-2012 by MysteriousHusky because: spelling

All shows are staged to some degree unless everything is Live, Live, and even there.... Docus are no exception, some channels use more license that others, and it often shows.

I did say on an earlier post about the button not needed to be a plant and I still see it that way, but I do now see a rationale for the inclusion of a button, like if it was meant to indicate that they were on the actual site, (I don't know if that is the reasoning) which is a site that has never been defined exactly. But it would be enough to say that some kind of activity had taken place there.