Al-Qaeda is a "plague" of the Taliban

Al-Qaeda is a "plague" of the Taliban

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At least 70 percent of the Taliban are angry with al-Qaeda. Our people regard al-Qaeda for a plague that was sent down to us from heaven. Some even concluded that al-Qaida really are spies for America. Originally, the Taliban naive and ignorant about politics and wanted al-Qaeda welcomed into their home. But al-Qaeda abused our hospitality, says the commander.

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I was surprised to come across this information in Norwegian media and thought I'll share it. This does not sound like information they usually share at all. It may be one mans opinions but it does support some varieties of theories as it puts al-Qaeda in a shadowy crossing and their end goal even more unknown.

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Yes the CIA is definetly a thorn in the side of the Taliban.

They should really stop LARPING in that country.



~Tenth

after the Taliban came to power in Afghanistan in September 1996 only three countries recognized their rule.

the ate the fruit, enthusiastically participated in the plan and are now trapped in NOD for the remainder of their lives.

Kabul is farther away from them than Pluto is from the Sun...and no one is coming to help.

whatever al qaeda is or is not, they would use a group like the Taliban to rule through...and the Taliban rules nothing but dirt.

have fun.

Well, since there isn't much in Afghanistan of interest to the US, some bright boy in the Taliban must have finally come to the realization that, were it not for Al Qaeda, the Taliban would still be happily blowing up statues and repressing their women.

reply to post by michaelbrux


I know you love to look down on our enemy-du-jour, but I'll put it this way. Since our war in the Stan started over 10 years ago, the Talis have gone from controlling roughly 60% of the country before we showed up, to over 75% as of late. They have actually gained more control since we've been there (given our nasty habits of blanket-firing on markets because one guy took a pot shot and blowing up peoples houses that the Taliban only commandeered to begin with, creating more angry Afghans to take up arms against us). We may have the big cities in Kandahar and Helmand, but the East and North will always remain in Taliban hands. Remember the Lion of Panjshir? Guess what. He's still there waiting for any invaders that may be stupid enough to cross that parallel. Same goes for the Korengal. There's a reason why the two most dangerous postings in the entire US Army are in the North.

reply to post by xXxinfidelxXx


I remember reading a article where the Taliban made it quite clear that they were not fighting for Land. I believed what I read about what was said...being an ultra-Religious movement, most people, I'm not saying you are one of them, cannot seem to grasp what the true goals of either the Taliban or Al Qaeda would be.

They aren't fighting for money, or the Poppy crop or drug territory; I'll just keep it at that.

but, hey...at least they control 75% of the dirt in Afghanistan.

I don't necessarily enjoy looking down on my enemies...I can't help but to look down on them.

Originally posted by michaelbrux

I don't necessarily enjoy looking down on my enemies...I can't help but to look down on them.

The Taliban were hailed as freedom fighters in the US, and they are now our enemy because certain forces within the US government decided that the Taliban would be our enemy. I imagine that al-CIAda has a lot to do with that transition, so it's no surprise that people within the Taliban resent this faction.

Kind of unrelated but everyone on this thread so far seems to think Afghanistan is a worthless sea of dirt.

www.livescience.com...
"Bounty of Rare Earths Discovered in Afghanistan"

That's not a new story. With most of the rare earth metals in china, I can see the U.S. wanting a U.S. friendly government in Afghanistan.

It doesn't surprise me that alqaeda is a pain to the taliban. It's silly to pretend that a group of people spanning a few countries would all be in line and not have alternative goals not shared by the group. If there is a "group" at all.

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Yes the CIA is definetly a thorn in the side of the Taliban. They should really stop LARPING in that country.

Lmao! How DARE you!

Operation_Cyclone

Operation Cyclone was one of the longest and most expensive covert CIA operations ever undertaken;[1] funding began with $20–30 million per year in 1980 and rose to $630 million per year in 1987.[2] Funding continued after 1989 as the Mujahideen battled the forces of Mohammad Najibullah's PDPA during the Civil war in Afghanistan (1989–1992).

Made me think of the rapports from both Gaddafi and Assad on al-Qaeda activity from the opposing front making them break cease-fire agreements in self-defense.

reply to post by michaelbrux


They are not simply a religious movement. The Taliban is a very old group and has existed in various incarnations for centuries. Under different name, same idea. They are actually more or less a large tribal alliance of the largest group in Afghanistan-The Pushtu. It's why their name is a Pushtu word. Their religion is rather harsh to be certain, but it's a secondary motive. The Pushtu are the majority tribe in the country and that's why the Taliban is popular there. Ironically, when surveyed only 8% of adult males in Afghanistan's largest province actually had even heard of 9/11 so to say this war is about 9/11 is actually pretty laughable.

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the biggest patrons and hype men for the Taliban were John Murtha and Charlie Wilson, right?

two dead guys, one of whom I absolutely don't trust at all. died two days apart...

I remember well that it was John Murder that started screaming on Capitol Hill about getting the troops out of the Middle East in November 2005; even though he supported both operations.

oddly enough, Zawahiri lamented outloud that very same month, within days of Murtha pleas, that militant Islam faces destruction and too call up everyone they can find. everyone wasn't enough, it seems.

its so obnoxious to watch people get caught dirty and then try and flip the script, isn't it?

reply to post by michaelbrux


The point that I'm trying to get across is that our presence there hasn't resulted in anything but strengthening the resolve of our supposed enemies. The Taliban were remnants of the Mujahideen that the CIA had trained and supplied weapons to in order to fight the proxy war with the Russians in the 80s. As for Al-Qaeda, they're another beast entirely. One that I'm sure the CIA, MI5 and the Mossad had an equal part in creating. The only goal that I can discern on the part of the Taliban is to outlast the imperialists. When every action the Americans take in Afghanistan results in more p ssed off Afghans, it's not too hard for the Talis to find more recruits. When you look at it in that perspective, it becomes obvious that Afghanistan has become the new Vietnam, and there is no way in hell that the West will win in a traditional sense. We could kill all of the Taliban and Al-Qaeda in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan and there would still be 10 insurgents waiting to replace every single one of them. The more we kill, the more their ideals are reinforced. It's an endless cycle that I find it very hard to believe that we just walked into without knowing.

Originally posted by xXxinfidelxXx
reply to post by michaelbrux

 

The point that I'm trying to get across is that our presence there hasn't resulted in anything but strengthening the resolve of our supposed enemies. The Taliban were remnants of the Mujahideen that the CIA had trained and supplied weapons to in order to fight the proxy war with the Russians in the 80s. As for Al-Qaeda, they're another beast entirely. One that I'm sure the CIA, MI5 and the Mossad had an equal part in creating. The only goal that I can discern on the part of the Taliban is to outlast the imperialists. When every action the Americans take in Afghanistan results in more p ssed off Afghans, it's not too hard for the Talis to find more recruits. When you look at it in that perspective, it becomes obvious that Afghanistan has become the new Vietnam, and there is no way in hell that the West will win in a traditional sense. We could kill all of the Taliban and Al-Qaeda in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan and there would still be 10 insurgents waiting to replace every single one of them. The more we kill, the more their ideals are reinforced. It's an endless cycle that I find it very hard to believe that we just walked into without knowing.

I saw that video, 10 replacing 1 dead. We got that over here too. Perhaps, once people stop stroking the Taliban ego, they'll give this fact some serious thought.



Nevertheless, I don't care who the Taliban or Al Qaeda is or is not. They aren't as effective as you'd like to make them sound and if you think they are going to outlast us, maybe you can go and help them manage their dirt farms and make a plan.

Originally posted by michaelbrux
I saw that video, 10 replacing 1 dead. We got that over here too. Perhaps, once people stop stroking the Taliban ego, they'll give this fact some serious thought.

Nevertheless, I don't care who the Taliban or Al Qaeda is or is not. They aren't as effective as you'd like to make them sound and if you think they are going to outlast us, maybe you can go and help them manage their dirt farms and make a plan.

Why do you respond like it was an personal attack? He's simply just pointing out an ridiculous situation. One side just wants to survive and the other only wants to look good. My version of your thought would be as following:
Perhaps, once people stop stroking the American ego, they'll give respect others some serious thought.

reply to post by ShadowBase


no one strokes our ego, we have to do that ourselves.

besides...after re-reading and contemplating the title of this thread i'm leaning towards understanding the statement to mean that Al Qaeda permanently abides with the Taliban now and whatever Al Qaeda is, its the Talibans problem, not the rest of the world.

the Taliban attempted to give that thing to us and it does not belong to us, it is their plague and their burden. as far as survival, when they blew up those Buddha's they had plenty of free time. maybe they should focus their time on something else besides killing everything around them.

furthermore to this, NATO is more concerned with making travel arrangements than fighting with the Taliban at this point. The Afghans will interact with their brethren in a manner they see fit.

and another thing.

the part where this person postulates that perhaps Al Qaeda were American spies suggests that even now there is an unwillingness to accept that al qaeda, at least the part of it they had direct contact with, are their own demons which they gave great comfort to and believed in fully.

had they not allowed them into their country and participated in their plots maybe they wouldn't have had this recently past experience.

Zawahiri considered Afghanistan a 'historic trap' in May 2007. Now...more reasonable conclusions are being reached. his vision of 200-300,000 dead Americans and his historic miscalculation is recorded in the document below. Hardly sounds like people that are just trying to survive.

abcnews.go.com...

the Taliban planned for America to come to their country...they just didn't expect us to kick the crap out of them and leave with everything.

reply to post by adjensen


There is enormous interest in Afghanistan. I'll tell you why, Poppies... Yup, Poppies, responsible for opium, heroin, morphene, codeine, and the rest of the opiates, opiodes used by the US and Pretty much every country around the world for medicine/surgical purposes.

So Like I said, Absofreakinglutely huge interest.

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Afghanistan is estimated to have in their Mountains...3 to 6 TRILLION DOLLARS worth of Minerals and Elements that are necessary for Highly Advanced Computers and Electronics. This makes the Poppy Trade look like selling 5 cent candy.

The U.S. should declare Victory...leave Afghanistan and as the Taliban rush back in...Satellite Tracking can be used to pinpoint their return from Pakistan...we send in several Wing Formations of B-52's loaded with a New Smart Version of Conventional Gravity Dropped Bombs in a Carpet Bombing Campaign that will kill anything within a 25 mile wide by 600 Mile Long strip by the boarder.

This will be the end of this problem forever. Split Infinity