Tensions Escalate in Straits of Hormuz

I believe if this were being done to any country that had been unprepared for it, it would be taken as acts of war and responded to out of pure necessity and survival. World War II started that way for the United States by sanctions against Japan on petrol and rubber out of Asian nations. However....this isn't a normal nation and Iran planned for all of this, many years ago.

Iran Hoarding Gold (2006)

WASHINGTON -- Iranians are going for the gold - at least until someone else cuts them off.

To forestall an effort by the West to seize Iranian assets in Europe, the Iranian leadership decided last fall to begin a massive, secret repatriation of its international currency reserves, according to Central Bank of Iran documents.

As a backstop, the leaders decided they should begin to disperse and repatriate the liquid assets they held overseas, in the unlikely event the international community decided to impose economic sanctions on Iran for its nuclear intransigence.

In addition to giving the orders to convert foreign currency holdings to gold and to repatriate them from Switzerland, the leaders also gave orders to Iran's central bankers to move cash accounts from Europe into Arab and Russian banks, which they felt would be more immune to Western pressure, according to the minutes.

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That article is one of the better examples I've hung onto but they started sanction proofing themselves and creating alternate ways to keep their economy going long before the U.S. actually started sanctioning them in meaningful ways. We've been playing catch up from the start here and Hillary/Obama still seem to think they're leading and not following. I'm not sure if they've been planning something nasty or if they just saw the writing on the wall before most and knew they were next no matter what happened.

if they just saw the writing on the wall before most and knew they were next no matter what happened.

I would give them credit for that since history of mid east policy shows they are certainly on the risk side from the west. Iran is not stupid despite what some would try to have most to believe.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

World War II started that way for the United States by sanctions against Japan on petrol and rubber out of Asian nations.

That's always an interesting point of which, I believe, most Americans are not aware.

reply to post by tothetenthpower


I agree. It is a form of terrorism! In the US 50% of our Federal Budget goes to Defense Spending, but then we turn around and sanction countries like North Korea and Iran for doing any of their own research, and when their people starve because of our sanctions, we tell them it is their own fault for spending too much money on Defense Spending? All the while, we are ramping up the war rhetoric, saying no options are off the table, and making sure they know a military strike is looming, and thereby forcing them to spend their budget dollars on prep for that looming war.

We force the hands of the government, and limit the resources for the population, and all we create are generation after generation of new enemies to fight. We'll never win the hearts and minds of their population this way, and so the war will never be completely over.

I have this feeling that if Romney is elected, Iran goes down. The US dollar will not be allowed to be a casualty.

Hope I am wrong...

It is only natural for the US Navy to relegate assets to areas were international shipping is at risk or under siege. Iran has gone on the record as saying that if things go south for them? Expect efforts to obstruct the Straight of Hormuz. Right now it looks to be a staring contest, and the next move is for Iran to make. Then of course, we have to take into account Israel being the wild card, and attacking at a moments notice as they have done in the past. They have been frothing at the bit for quite awhile about Iran's alleged nuclear program.

Right now, I would say the US Navy is performing a show of force, and acting as a deterrent. Hopefully, if Iran was smart they would back down from closing the straight, and refrain from engaging in heated rhetoric. The door to negotiations seems to be all but shut at the moment? Zero hour is approaching. However, they can still make a deal, because hostilities have not started yet. As for the OP mentioning Iran having neutron bombs? I highly doubt it. At the very best, they probably have a crude low-yield nuke completed. I say that at the very least. Some advanced tech is involved in designing a neutron bomb, but first Iran has to master the art of small scale nuclear bombs like the Hiroshima/Nagasaki bombs. Lets not get to ahead of ourselves about Iran's weapon's capabilities. If I recall, the US developed hydrogen bombs first before assembling a neutron bomb? If Iran is developing nukes? They have a ways to go before getting the neutron bomb, and that is if Iran is working on it by themselves? I am not going to rule out outside assistance, because China has gone on the record about developing and testing the neutron bomb. Below, is an article on subject from 1999.

China acknowledges development of neutron bomb technology

China exploded its first neutron bomb 11 years ago, something widely known in the international community. However, in keeping with the secretive nature of China's military establishment, apparently no public announcements were made by officials or the state-run media.

China and Iran are on good terms. Here is a clip from father of the neutron bomb, Sam Cohen, describing the capabilities of his baby in the field.



Terrifying weapon!

reply to post by tothetenthpower


Please source your information where Iran isn't meddling in other nation's affairs because that sounded like it came out of where the sun doesn't shine.

I personally don't think you know what your talking about.

What evidence do you have that Iran is making Neutron bombs?Is it just a feeling?

If so then I also have a "feeling" you are blowing hot air.

Wouldn't someone show where Iran is meddling in some country's affairs. How does one show that they are not, if in fact they are not?

Originally posted by TDawgRex

Originally posted by phroziac
Neutron bombs are not even understood to be possible with current technology. Hiroshima and nagasaki were rebuilt in ten years. Airbursting the bombs disperses contamination too widely to be a longterm threat.

Neutron bombs have been around for decades now.

As for contamination being dispersed too widely to be a longterm threat, it's the short term contamination that kills ya.

please link me to a source that explains how neutron bombs work then. I want to read all about it. As for contamination, thats true, just wanted to remind people about that.... Israel will be habitable in 10 years or so no matter what.

Edit: en.m.wikipedia.org... hmm guess i was wrong. Sorry for spreading disinfo, thanks for catching me.

Originally posted by phroziac

Originally posted by TDawgRex

Originally posted by phroziac
Neutron bombs are not even understood to be possible with current technology. Hiroshima and nagasaki were rebuilt in ten years. Airbursting the bombs disperses contamination too widely to be a longterm threat.

Neutron bombs have been around for decades now.

As for contamination being dispersed too widely to be a longterm threat, it's the short term contamination that kills ya.

please link me to a source that explains how neutron bombs work then. I want to read all about it. As for contamination, thats true, just wanted to remind people about that.... Israel will be habitable in 10 years or so no matter what.

Edit: en.m.wikipedia.org... hmm guess i was wrong. Sorry for spreading disinfo, thanks for catching me.

edit on 14-7-2012 by phroziac because: (no reason given)

Hmm... Less than a minute to come up with this. As someone noted, the Neutron weapon is nothing new or even terribly complex. They made it, literally, in that accident I referenced above on a much smaller scale. As I understand the simplest explanation to be, it's a Nuclear Weapon designed to be a super-dud. No Hiroshima, just the blast of radiation and much more of it. Kentucky Fried .....every organic life form of any kind within the effect radius. Evil stuff... It really is.

China has detonated at least one neutron bomb above ground with the knowledge and perhaps even the co-operation of the U.S.

Photographs of the secret test in late 1995 or 1996 have been provided to WorldNetDaily through a U.S. intelligence source who cannot be identified. The photographs have been tested and evaluated by several sources who have concluded they are genuine.

WorldNetDaily sent copies of the pictures to the man who originated the idea of the neutron bomb, retired nuclear physicist Sam Cohen. He confirmed that he believes the photographs to be genuine.

Cohen said the photographs appear just as they should, and that it would take someone with very sophisticated knowledge of nuclear physics to fake such a photograph. Other military experts were also consulted and they too confirmed that there is no reason to suspect that the photos are not real.

"We understand how they work, but we've never had a good understanding of their effect," commented Cohen about the frustration of the U.S. scientific community. "We were never allowed to test these things in the atmosphere. All the neutron bomb tests that we did were underground. The military was dying to know just exactly what these effects might be. I think that's exactly what happened over in France, that the military wanted to know what these effects were, so they snuck off to the south Indian Ocean and detonated this thing.

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The pictures on the article are pretty impressive, as are all the additional information it carries. It's a long article.

The UAE relies on the Straits of Hormuz to ship all of its oil, yet since the EU announced a ban on Iranian oil imports to come into effect at the beginning of July, Iranian threats to blockade the straits have increased. To avoid this situation the UEA started to develop a pipeline to pump oil from their fields in the west of the country to the eastern port of Fujairah, which will bypass Hormuz entirely.

The UAE have now announced that the pipeline is complete and on Thursday morning oil started to flow to the Gulf of Oman, at an initial rate of one million barrels per day.

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I'm expected to prove a negative?

Show me a list of aggressions that Iran has taken against the United States. Actual ones, not the ones orchestrated by the CIA and it's other proxy groups.

If Iran is involved in regional disputes with it's neighbors, that's not meddling in affairs it doesn't have a stake in.

They don't have a giant imperial military that's had it's eyes set on the Middle East for a very long time.

~Tenth

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Oh , nvm. I see the way you think. The CIA is out to kill all of us right? They hate America and the people they fight for right? They also are ran by the Illuminate as well? Makes sense.

To the Forum Mod and others asking about my assertion that Iran would be making a Neutron Bomb. Given the facts surrounding the desire of those in the middle east who want the land Israel inhabits, given the facts taken from US Nuclear Science program from 1940's to present, given the fact that I am a USAF Veteran from its nuclear program (I might add, they just don't hand out Top Secret Clearances to anyone), and given the fact that no one, even from the UN, has been able to definitively say that Iran is developing NUKES per say, and given the fact that the Book of Revelation talks about the last war ..... the Neutron Bomb is the most likely candidate to be used in that theater of war because its all about a land grab and nothing more.

I don't believe I have reached the wrong conclusion. Actually, I'm right on it. The science for Neutron Bomb technology has been available for a while. Clinton gave China much defense technology. Iran, like Iraq, and other countries, has been sending its students abroad for years to learn and then come back to Iran and develop the programs they have there.

While I understand your skepticism and doubts that what I say is true, I need only remind you that I the TRUTH is often NOT PRETTY and that this is probably the best scenario and TRUTH for what is going to happen in the Middle East in the time to come. I make no apologies for my reasoning or calculations of future events. I know things most of you folks don't and see things almost all of you will never see.

Call me names, make fun of me .... I don't care. You will see that I am right very soon. What then will you say ?

given the fact that I am a USAF Veteran from its nuclear program (I might add, they just don't hand out Top Secret Clearances to anyone)

I may be the only one here who stopped accepting phases such as the one above as proof to anything. Hope not though.

Still an opinion on usage a availability even with credentials.

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With all due respect, the Euro is imploding, the US job market stinks, unemployment is rising, more people on food stamps then ever before, the administrations need a distraction.

Ta-daaa!

Iran!

Originally posted by phroziac
Neutron bombs are not even understood to be possible with current technology. Hiroshima and nagasaki were rebuilt in ten years. Airbursting the bombs disperses contamination too widely to be a longterm threat.

You really need to do some homework on this subject. They have been around for a long time and the info on making them has been around just as long.

Originally posted by roadgravel

given the fact that I am a USAF Veteran from its nuclear program (I might add, they just don't hand out Top Secret Clearances to anyone)

I may be the only one here who stopped accepting phases such as the one above as proof to anything. Hope not though.

Still an opinion on usage a availability even with credentials.

Let me just say this. You have no credentials to prove you have anything of value to offer here. That no one should accept anything you have to say. Let alone, I doubt you have or could even get a Top Secret Clearence from the US Government because you don't have the CHARACTER required to have and hold it.

I served in the USAF in the late 1970's and early 1980's. My training base was Chanute AFB in Rantoul, Illinois.
My duty station was Grand Forks AFB, under the Strategic Air Command, 321st Strategic Missile Wing.
Hows that for Credentials ! I had to have a Top Secret Security Clearance to work with nuclear weapons.

You can't say the same, so before you go passing JUDGMENT on those who served, you better realize that you have 3 fingers pointing back at you for your one pointing at one of us.

Do us a favor, box up your computer and take it back to the computer store where you got it or got the parts to put it together, and tell them that your too stupid to own and operate a computer because you believe the government has your computer bugged.

Originally posted by TDawgRex
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I've pondered much along the lines you have postulated with the exception of Iran moving into Israel.

How would they accomplish this? They'd have to cross other countries borders to do this.

Which would indictate that said countries were in on the plan all along.

Regardless, when the ballon does go up, it will quickly spiral out of control.

History shows that when Islam feels that it is strong, it switches into conquer/convert mode. It is already happening the world over.

This next war will end up being a big one, as you say, on biblical scale.

I have often thought the same but look at the political and power structures in the area, the people who really want Israeli land have aligned themselves with Iran. So whether or not its the Iranians or others who want the land, Iran is just CRAZY enough to rattle the sabre long enough to actually pull the trigger to get it. Also consider the fact that Iran has standing contracts for military support with Russia and China (Gog and Magog).