Don't read this if you don't believe in colonization, the space stage, or venturing out and about

I have been creepin these forums for a while and wanted to add some input of my own. I obviously cannot and will not prove anything that is said, just take it for it is, a humble, calculated, and rationalized logical thought process.

So whats up, are the aliens attacking next month is the world coming to an end?
Hell no, they would have done so many times over. As you may or may not know they are most likely in a agreement with one another, so unless you get randomized for an anal probe inspection (that you probably wont even remember, which by the way has been decreasing over the years) you have nothing to worry about really. The Earth is too precious to destroy it, it is like an oasis, and there are simply too many of us on the surface to take over without any serious damage to the Earth itself, hence the stealthyness. If they are visiting, it is mostly to see whats up, and of course have their own accommodations, repair, medical, or maintenance stations nearby in order to safetly complete the trips unless they are just portaling in, but even then you still need some kind of bunker or building nearby dont you? Having an infa-structure within Earth or nearby only makes sense from a cost-effective reasoning and it would be very difficult to do so without the knowledge of the leaders of men, especially in the 21st century where we have or have duplicated the technology ourselves. This means that yes, it is a joke, everyone knows, but no one knows at the same time, and it only makes sense to leave it that way, for once the public realized that other beings are visiting our planet we will demand answers, demand technology, demand better spiritual guidance, and this is a little counterproductive for a few specific agendas that the lowly folk are unaware of in the first place. Sadly, to put it short, this is nothing more then a gigantic soul harvester, a prison within a prison, and it does not make sense to improve or better the lives of your inmates for they are plentiful, how do I put this, a non-depleting resource, cheap labour that can move mountains, and they do for almost no costs or profit loss, I mean cash is printed daily anyways at anytime they want, the key is to make you play the game, or give you no options to opt-out. At least the good thing is that for the most part, they leave you in the dark about death, because no human should be scared of it, as it is only then that you are free, and only when you remove that fear, that you become extremely effective at what you do for you dont really care at that point do you?

So whats up with the moon?
Well, to it blunt, its not like we entered the space stage over night, its not like we are just starting to reverse engineer extra or even intra terrestrial technology. Its been around, its been tested, and you better believe we have our own space fleets because logically thats what happens when you enter the space stage, i.e. colonization, finding other resources, other life, and most importantly a effective means of travel. I mean they even stopped making shuttles cause of how expensive it is to burn all that fossil fuels. A civilization who doesnt have to worry about surviving from day to day (well we still do due to the mostly economical and political limitations placed on us) starts to think outside the box a little, and believe me these space fleets dont all run on fossil fuels anymore because again it would be simply too costly. Why bother when you can use a free energy source, I dont know, Im not a rocket scientist, but what about harvesting the energy from a hydrogen atom splitting, or what about having solar panels in space, I mean thats kinda effective right? Especially how their is no atmosphere. So what Im trying to say is most likely, we have our own carrier in orbit of our earth, trust me its not a space station, you need something that can actually move in and out of orbit and travel long distances, sorta like a cool space movie with the mothership and smaller interceptors to get rid of any threats with gigantic plasma beams. Now in the 50s I believe Nasa (Never A Straight Answer) because of our new interest in space naturally developed a plan for colonization, so whats the closest rock to take over? The moon, but unfortunately without going into to much detail, its kinda already taken, simply because if you are a foreign being traveling here you need some kind of way station, gas station, bar, hotel, storage unit, whatever you wanna call it nearby, and the moon is perfect, I mean too perfect if you havent noticed some of the irregularities of it already.

I could talk about this subject for ages, the types of beings, the different sightings, but it is just for fun and I dont mean anything by it, but if lets say if any of this was true, its obviously not, their would be a few things that would have to happen. Well mostly two, a) nothing, continue as planned I mean its not like we humans really care whats going anyways, or b) mass disclosure, paving a new road to a contemporary golden age.

Ill try to post something else later, if I dont get trololololed too much, well have a good one folks, hope you guys didnt fall asleep, most of you already know this as it is simple deductive reasoning but you know, why not, just for shiz and giggles right?


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Ok, so lets say disclosure happens, I am sure that somewhere deep in a military base in a few hundred underground levels full of paperwork, a gigantic warehouse if you like, someone somewhere has been paid quite well to type the positives and negatives of full disclosure, but as you or may not know, they are funded, and if you are funded you are slightly biased in your thesis and what you can actually say, know what I'm saying?

This paper will present the pros and cons of full disclosure and that disclosure can actually be beneficial to everyone. Just because the regular Joe is given a break does not mean in any way or form that the organization in charge will be at a lost. I do not want to get rid of the organization in charge I want to re-introduce its principles back to the beginning so it fully connects or reintegrates with the ones it controls to fully be productive in every aspect or level hence a even higher profit strictly speaking from a business perspective. This way riots or distrust will not exists, it will be a level playing field, where everyone benefits, of course still some more than others, but individuals or citizens will know that they are dealing with a honest and legitimate source that sure has its own agenda (if we did not have any problems the government would not exist in the first place) but isn't completely full of hot air, and therefore gladly partake in any matters involved in said organization. The following paper will present ideas that show real reasons why full disclosure is beneficial for both parties, but as an unbiased legal part will also introduce the negatives and recommendations that may work against our beneficiaries.
1) Spiritual development which will in turn increase the productivity of every said legal person. They will simply appreciate what they are doing and will not feel forced (laugh at me but that’s all it takes), but learn from the knowledge that is given and be grateful to the ones who have given it. As long as you provide the necessary support which should not be that costly compared to the surveillance and other discrete practices taken place to eliminate the ones who are a “threat”, the people will be happy you are being upfront and will actually feel like they are doing something productive, hence no complaints, no complaints, means you can continue your agenda, but only under the circumstance if you choose to remember that a bee hive cannot exist without its workers. Truthfully, not to sound like a total broken record, but a little respect to the regular population would go along way and solve most if not all issues, and actually earn a lot of trust from everyone. It would spread very quickly like a top-down approach, and people would be proud to be governed by these noble, trustful, and almost lovable individuals. Some say it is better to be feared then loved, but if you are loved, and even if the ones that love you complain and you have actually been fair, then they have no reason to complain do they? Hence win -win, anyways, believe it or not, if you show enough respect, they would even forget about all the past discrepancies that have happened just because of how limited we are with power, just a small effort of recognition would surely go along way. A con to this is, well if your too good then they will just take advantage, well the truth is we haven't done much have we even with all this disrespect and marginalization against the common folk. Imagine what would happen if all of us felt like we were truly a part of one, and composite, forever working, well lubed, and extremely grateful workforce. We would gladly carry out your agenda, as long you did not keep us in the dark and treated us like your brothers and sisters. Only then, if you treat your brothers and sisters well, do they act up, do you have legitimate reason to act against. I wouldn't even formulate this paper would I?. If you treat your workers extremely fair and they still act up, go crazy, and act illegitimately, then you know what, you have a case, maybe you should impose some sanctions but remember, if you treat people well they will usually appreciate it. The next generation may take it for granted, but you have to formally re-introduce the idea that this was almost a mercy deal, and that they should be extremely lucky of what they have in the first place. I have read every modern and past philosopher (Socrates, hobbes, etc., etc.) I have studied the ins and outs of Capitalism, and even studied the Communist Manifesto. Basically, as a reader of both, I look for the middle ground, it does not have to be either one extreme or the other, if it is one extreme or the other it almost makes the ones who govern jobs harder really if you think about it. The idea, I know it is extremely hard to comprehend simply because of years of the same ideology, but anyways the idea, of being a balanced government not only works but excels. Not only do the rich get richer, but so do the poor. Don’t you think that everyone loves being involved (I am not talking about the generic vote every couple years). If everyone is involved there is no issue of complaints, of not liking what’s going on, of second guessing, of false elections, of lying, everything is in the wide open, and the mere fact brings in the respect of everyone not only the poor but also the rich. If you have the funding for black projects, then you can also afford to make sure every living being on the planet not only agrees with you but wants to participate in the cause. You could trick people into the cause, but eventually they will catch on so it is simply better to be straightforward to begin with. I cannot really stress that more then I already did.
2) Technology. Well, we aren’t cavemen are we, we think, we have emotions, we even dream, so it would only seem appropriate to progress us further to be a even more productive workforce to begin with. Just by common sense alone, if you increased the regular life span from 100 to let’s say 1000, think about how much experienced that worker will be and how much he or she knows. I don’t know maybe I am not a businessman or own my company but I would pay top dollar for a boy like that on my team wouldn’t you? Not mentioning the mere fact of increasing how many workers you have to begin with, and if you treated them right, extremely loyal workers who will gladly die for you. The pension doesn’t have to be ridiculous anyways, simply because they have already worked long enough to secure their own pension if you get my drift. Remember I am not trying to illigitimize the current governors but bring into perspective the benefit of letting them be truly all and what they can be and desire, I mean truly be, full potential to the end of time. Now, further into technology. Of course the issue of closing down of multi-billion dollar companies comes to mind when you switch to free energy sources. Just because this switch happens, doesn’t mean you cannot monopolize free energy technology does it? So why use outdated 20th century technology? Well you already as a free man of the land, whether you are poor, rich, or just in between, know too well that stocks will go, housing markets will fail, and so will the dollar. This is not the end of the world though remember, we are just a cause and a effect, so by forth know that we can easily change within a day if we wanted to, and if needed out entire being, presence, or if you want to go into more detail our priorities of what is truly important or not. I can also rap for a white boy which is surprisingly weird, well at least if you paid me well, gave me enough time, and a nice studio, but then again most people have the gift as well of pure poetic potential to begin with simply because music is natural formulation of the human evolution. Sorry I just trolled there, remembering that I am not handing this to a teacher, but to a few good people who chose to read something else and who themselves know that they are better then what they are perceived to be.
3) Ok so here it is, the non-judemental, the robot within me who calculates things with exact precision and only hopes to improve of what I have said because I know that I have not been built to perfection and unfortunately due to their losses neither have you. The biggest con is surely living longer(issues with prisons and over population, increased pensions and health care costs), being spiritually involved, thinking for one self while still being suppressed and disregarded as a puissant. If the government is truly 100 percent, then no one can really complain can they? More riots? Only if you suppressed the gratitude that should rightfully be given don’t you think? Though, it should be mentioned, from a business perspective, a smarter, and long lasting work force only sounds more probable, profitable, and acceptable. If those workers actually feel like they are a part of a whole, and if they really are, and so you as the employer, then not only are you laughing all the way to the bank but so are your workers. With free energy, it will decrease most logistic and production costs, which will even allow you to hire or at least keep at minimum the same amount of employees. Ok, so let’s say you gave out extremely good technology right now, as in yesterday, most businessmen look at this as an issue, they cannot sell the products at an inflated price, and they cannot milk the product fully before coming out with the expansion. Who cares? That is only one quarter ok maybe a full year ok fine I’ll give it to you 20 years, but imagine the changes and of course the profit that would follow in a long-term investment like this. Do you realistically think that no one would buy these products to the point of bankruptcy? Why even suppress technology, and get all that cash now and of course later as technology always progresses, (I think the stat is, don’t quote me because it is kinda hard to remember everything but I think for every year that goes by, military technology increases by 40), ((since there is a lot of extra plans ahead of any product you have already promoted)), enough said. I am proposing skipping this step entirely, and simply going full out, I mean giving men and woman on this planet full rights not only to the roads and highways but also air space, I mean not only will it improve the quality of life, but its also not like you cannot control said individuals. It may sound radical, hell it is radical, I know you disagree, but if you gave the trust it would be extremely easy to take it away to those who abused it. The mere fact alone would improve logistics with absolutely no traffic or delay what so ever, people would be more mobile and get everywhere faster as an effective force, remember this is all I am thinking about, as in improving the organized machine of current production. Of course as regular national defense precaution GPS systems will be put in place, and every activity of every living, breathing, hell even non-breathing beings will be recorded so no worries for insurance purposes, everything will be covered and accounted for and everyone from top to bottom will progress and laugh about it how it was back in the day and how much we have developed as a group.

In conclusion, you think you may spend more on suppressing the public into keeping them in-line but if you start to trust, and start to believe in the ones that feed you, cloth you, guard you while you sleep, not only will your quality of life and trust to others increase as a representative, but also to the ones who you represent. Now, I have greatly shortened everything I have said, and can gladly keep going for millennium but I am only human and I am getting tired, it is simply common sense and I am sure everyone has thought of this many times before, and I mean everyone. Anyways, respect, think about your loved ones for once, and respect everyone, even the disrespected, that is how you create change.

Im just going to tell you now that your post has so much in it and is such a block of text people are not going to read it (i.e me) thus not giving it the attention you desire(and rightly so) for your ideas.
Maybe try and sum it up?

I am very interested in what you have to say, but, without paragraphs, it was starting to give me a headache.

reply to post by IseeyouIforseeyou


I didn't read your post cohesively. I attempted. You might have something to say in a better way, and I would encourage you to redo it as I am intrigued...I'm pretty sure you have a good portion of thoughts to say, of a unique bent of thought....

But your format makes it hard. Regardless. Welcome.

reply to post by CirqueDeTruth


Hey guys,

I have like a mile of text that I can come up on the spot, which is freaking hard to summarize if you know what I mean, so what I propose is to read what I am saying, and critically edit what I said into a few sentences. I know it's obviously hard, but I believe more then enough in my boys at the above top. I am not seeking any recognition because I know exactly that any one of you could easily without a doubt come up with this on the spot, the only issue is summarizing what I said, and what's left not only in my brain, but your's too, which is why I encourage to disagree with my post or even agree and put in your own two cents for remember this is only one mans opinion. I could formulate this into multiple forums, but I don't even know where to begin as one brother has mentioned with my lack of paragraphs.

Best regards,
Matt.

The universe really is a colorful place. There is so much stuff out there and even here on earth.

reply to post by IseeyouIforseeyou
i am incoherent in most of the thoughts i try to put into words, so it was an easy read for me it's a beautiful idea.if only it were as easy to manifest as it is to envision.s&f oooohhhh do it again.

reply to post by IseeyouIforseeyou


Send me a U2U if you need help with using your keyboard. There are a lot of useful keys, especially the enter key.

More than that, you may also learn to add headers.

I can also provide links for you to learn how to write basic essays at an 8th grade level. It will be very helpful to someone, like yourself, who may not be fluent in English.

P.S. I do not have perfect grammar but I may be able to assist you in your path to make sensible communication to other people

Originally posted by IseeyouIforseeyou
reply to post by CirqueDeTruth

 

Hey guys,

I have like a mile of text that I can come up on the spot, which is freaking hard to summarize if you know what I mean, so what I propose is to read what I am saying, and critically edit what I said into a few sentences. I know it's obviously hard, but I believe more then enough in my boys at the above top. I am not seeking any recognition because I know exactly that any one of you could easily without a doubt come up with this on the spot, the only issue is summarizing what I said, and what's left not only in my brain, but your's too, which is why I encourage to disagree with my post or even agree and put in your own two cents for remember this is only one mans opinion. I could formulate this into multiple forums, but I don't even know where to begin as one brother has mentioned with my lack of paragraphs.

Best regards,
Matt.

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you did it again

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reply to post by IseeyouIforseeyou



There would likely be allot of benefit in disclosure, and that is the reason why it will never happen. Power and wealth is a private club for the privileged.

Allowing any disclosure would eventually lead to a public consensus for open contact.

Any advancements in clean, renewable energy sources would cause a fundamental shift in economics and would spell out the demise of certain powerful cartels.

In other words, those who benefit the most from the current system (those in high places) would want to suppress any information that might threaten the bureaucracy of the elite.

reply to post by g2v12


Well said bro, but the question is do the ones in power really have to have 10 yahts as opposed to 2? I like how your shortened that entire fragment into your own words, seems like it is really easy to come up with a few sentences once you have actually read everything word for word. Respect bro.

I agree that's a pretty rational thought process.

However, I would like to propose at least one interesting alternative or additional concept which you can also mix into your thought process.

Space piracy and space law.
Depending on what sort of community our surrounding neighbor systems contain, can change the circumstances of the situation vastly.

I have come to these potential concepts of space law and piracy issues in my attempts to explain clearly unethical or illogical actions by our government, or by anomalous yet highly suspicious 'encounters' that have been reported which may or may not be true.

So really after boiling down all the potentials, I am left here, considering the finer points of how law works throughout inter-space interactions, in respect of individual liberties and what types of legal systems may exist far out into the cosmos yet nearby in terms of position within the galaxy relative to ours.

reply to post by BottledWater


Remember I am not being graded on this specific piece of literature, so I have become more relaxed, even shortened what I have said as I have grown accustom to slang as a young blood of the new generation. I did not feel the need to impress anyone with my gramatical skill so I simply jotted down my thoughts mostly in point form that have somehow turned into sentences. If you cannot comprehend my thought process that does not mean the problem is necessary with me bro.

reply to post by g2v12


Precisely. It is all reduced to conjecture at this point. There is nothing to be done in a coherent way.

Which is relevant in how unique minds attempt to approach the topic.

Therefore, panoramic views are the only benefit to our contemplation at this conjecture of time....

What if we could actually call the Galactic Cops to come arrest the pirates?
Who knows? We haven't really tried, and what exactly do we do to "call them"?
No telling really, could be anything, or nothing in the case it's not even possible in the first place.

Well, if anyone knows how, call em. Call the space police.
I'd like to file charges in galactic court.

Would be awesome if it worked that way right?
Sigh...
If only...

reply to post by muzzleflash


Hey bro,

That is surely an issue, once inter-galactic laws come into effect with ours I guess all you can do is either try to compete with the current laws in effect according to our own morals, or simply fully except the laws that have been recommended. I am sure, intergalactic beings have a decent sense of morals and know what is right or wrong, so I guess I would faithfully accept what they have to offer while try to implement some of our thoughts as well. The thing is we are very young on this playing field and very little to say. Thank you for thinking of something constructive, instead of saying I did not read your post because it was too long. One love.

Originally posted by IseeyouIforseeyou
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

Hey bro,

That is surely an issue, once inter-galactic laws come into effect with ours I guess all you can do is either try to compete with the current laws in effect according to our own morals, or simply fully except the laws that have been recommended. I am sure, intergalactic beings have a decent sense of morals and know what is right or wrong, so I guess I would faithfully accept what they have to offer while try to implement some of our thoughts as well. The thing is we are very young on this playing field and very little to say. Thank you for thinking of something constructive, instead of saying I did not read your post because it was too long. One love.

Yes I agree, I sense there is a high possibility that the majority of intelligent beings throughout the galaxy would be peaceful and have great dignity. But there is also the inescapable possibility that a few will always turn to evil to fulfill themselves.

It's really hard to tell what the true political situation of our nearby galaxy really is, considering we don't know anything and the government sure isn't telling us much.

Often times I consider the possibility that our government doesn't really know much anything either, and are just as clueless as anyone else is.

We are talking about hundreds of potential races of beings just within the nearby neighborhood, and highly complex star charts would be needed to travel safely among them. We are indeed capable of this feat, to reach out and visit them, but I am pretty certain we are being "held back" for reasons unknown. Things don't add up so well, and it appears they are "milking the market" by slowing the release of tech in small bits over a long time duration.

Why they don't want humans to advance technologically overall? Many possible reasons. Greed, fear, what have you.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by IseeyouIforseeyou
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

Hey bro,

That is surely an issue, once inter-galactic laws come into effect with ours I guess all you can do is either try to compete with the current laws in effect according to our own morals, or simply fully except the laws that have been recommended. I am sure, intergalactic beings have a decent sense of morals and know what is right or wrong, so I guess I would faithfully accept what they have to offer while try to implement some of our thoughts as well. The thing is we are very young on this playing field and very little to say. Thank you for thinking of something constructive, instead of saying I did not read your post because it was too long. One love.

Yes I agree, I sense there is a high possibility that the majority of intelligent beings throughout the galaxy would be peaceful and have great dignity. But there is also the inescapable possibility that a few will always turn to evil to fulfill themselves.

It's really hard to tell what the true political situation of our nearby galaxy really is, considering we don't know anything and the government sure isn't telling us much.

Often times I consider the possibility that our government doesn't really know much anything either, and are just as clueless as anyone else is.

We are talking about hundreds of potential races of beings just within the nearby neighborhood, and highly complex star charts would be needed to travel safely among them. We are indeed capable of this feat, to reach out and visit them, but I am pretty certain we are being "held back" for reasons unknown. Things don't add up so well, and it appears they are "milking the market" by slowing the release of tech in small bits over a long time duration.

Why they don't want humans to advance technologically overall? Many possible reasons. Greed, fear, what have you.

Precisely, I think that the beings who are against us do not my friend look like us if you know what I mean, they do not comprehend that shared genetics and are enraged at the fact that they cannot comprehend irrational even sparatic and highly emotional human behaviour. They can try to understand, but they never will, even if it is extremely simple to fix. Though the reason we are suppressed is only for one reason, why would you give your prisoners a gun? Why would you give your prisoners a vehicle that can go in and out of our planet and cannot be traced? Why would you make your prisoners lives easier, when you can get away with giving them near to nothing? It is simple, greed, but even the greedy are smart enough to know that one day you have to help the ones you are abusing, for without them you are essentially nothing.

I often wonder about extraterrestrials, SETI has yet to hear one radio signal that proves their existence, and as lasers take a lot more power than radio signals, I think aliens would use radio,Radio and lasers both take the same time to get from A to B, so, no proof yet of their existence, but that does not mean they do not exist! Plus, if Einsteins THEORY of relativity is correct, they might get so board out of the skulls that the journey really is not worth it.

Massive wall of text, I had to stop reading it.