Woman convicted of battery for protesting TSA pat-down

reply to post by seabag


but there are no cavity searches are there seabag? are there? i think not.

i knew you would miss my point in my Whatever. i didnt mean i dont care about personal freedom, im mr libertarian. it must be rare to talk to someone that doesn't agree with you. so if you cant look at the issue without your bias, whatever, we cant come to a medium.

reply to post by The X


im sorry you had to write that whole thing, ill try to express myself better.

Originally posted by seabag
America’s economy won’t fail until yours does, and even then we still have a chance to salvage things because we’re AMERICANS not Europeans!

Haha, is that why?

Originally posted by Domo1
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I've never bought this statement. The alleged agreement is done under duress.

So you're under duress when you buy a ticket, willfully put yourself in a line, with the knowledge that you may be subject to a pat down?

You know, there's absolutely no information at all telling me that this will take place at the time when I buy the ticket. Especially not for people coming from overseas, where such pat downs are unheard of.

Originally posted by vjr1113
airlines hire tsa, so take it up with the airlines.

Airlines doesn't hire the TSA. Airports do. Most of them would like to engage somebody else than the TSA (such as a sensible, customer friendly, private security company), but aren't allowed to anymore.

Don't take it up with the airlines because they have no say. Don't take it up with the airports because the've got no choice. Bring it up with that Napoletano woman if you like, but it doesn't help because she doesn't care. She's in Government after all.

Originally posted by OhZone
On the other hand....she knew what she might be in for when she chose to fly.
She could have avoided it by taking some other mode of transportaion.

So people should just shut their mouth and do as they are told? Things will only get worse if more people don't start speaking up. Silence isn't the answer.

Also, other modes of transportation don't exactly work out too well when somebody has to go from North America to Australia for example. I sure as hell wouldn't want to spend weeks on a ship.

Originally posted by seabag
Isn’t it funny how it’s acceptable for the TSA to do it but when one of us does it its battery?

What she did was battery. When a TSA agent does it, they do so with your agreement via contract to be allowed to do it. You agree contractually to submit to the screening process as part of your contract when you purchase a ticket to board a commercial aircraft. If the woman was not a TSA representative, then she had no legal or contractual right to lay her hands on the TSA agent.

Originally posted by seabag
Does groping a 59 year old American woman make us safer?

People of both sexes, all ages, and all physical abilities have been historically used as mules. As a matter of fact, the people that criminals prefer to use as mules are those whom they figure would be least expected.

Originally posted by Numbers33four
America deserves this and everything else that is coming. You let your government get away with the 911 attack and the falsely premised oil and resource wars that followed. You may be getting a government check now because you either work for them, are retired from them or you are on welfare but by doing so you are sealing your own fate and doom. You had the chance to stop the tyranny, but you chose to take the government cheese instead.

Enjoy the coming wars and the collapse of you economy from debt. Eat, drink and be stupid.

Seriously I wouldn't break out the champagne just yet skippy, ya see.....other governments are allowing the USA to send their security people to their airports abroad due to "lack of procedure".

While I agree with what you say in a sense, don't throw us all under the same bus. If your gonna do that, might as well join us. Because when America falls, so will everyone else that did business with her. America after all is a corporation not a country.

And I am not on the dole in any way shape or form. I am independently paid for my services with no government to be seen anywhere. Besides the statement makes no sense, do you honestly think ATS is overrun by welfare recipients? Retired fogies? Or just the bored outright disabled?

Seems like they would have better things to do.

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True but most do not understand how invasive it is until it happens, otherwise they would not have consented to it.

There is another more effective way for airport security....its called profiling and it works.

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Perhaps because most recognize that now and days civic duty means nothing. Its a slanted system that is out of balance and doesn't work as intended.

Most trials are based solely off of who has the deepest wallet for the lawyer so they can get off.

I personally dont mind seeing some provisions out there. I like to know that on my two hour flight I wont be sitting next to some crazy lunatic who wants to shoot people and I cant do a damn thing about it. But thats just my personal preference. I do think that security is a a bit too tight than necessary but it doesnt bother me. What does bother me is when people want to change something and go about it the wrong way. What she did was wrong and everyone knows it. Dont praise her for it.

Jesus guys, what's the problem? Don't fly!

Sure she was pissed off, and i would be pissed off too! But you have to go into the screening KNOWING what to expect! It's simple!

I get in my car every morning, and sit in the left lane (the cruising lane, here - right is overtaking), knowing what to expect in a city that gives out licences like welfare payments...

I know this. And you do too! Sure it sucks when you want to travel, but hey! Take a look at your country! It's brought it upon itself, and unfortunately you all have to pay for it.
Sort of like the kid in the playground that ruins it for everybody! No matter how much you kick and scream, they don't care!

And to the guy saying he wants to see 200 paying customers walk in and push the agents around - just have a think at all the calm, collected non-argumentative people that got through security because they probably caused less bullsh*t and actually brought down planes - with hundreds of other paying customers like yourself and this lady, inside them.

As evil as they may be, it's your choice! There is no duress here!

EDIT: The agents are comprised of normal civilians like yourself, also. You know this, also. You know what other humans are like! It's the way of the world!

It's funny that people complain loudly about the wicked bad and clearly "dirty-minded" TSA agents who "feel you up," but they still happily travel by plane because of the convenience. Take the train if you really hate it. Take a bus. Boycott flying.

I agree that children should be approached with extreme caution - any funny business with a child should result in severe action. But when it comes to adults - we are now a generation of whining babies. We are wimps. Omg.. they patted me down! The horror.

As a nation, we are truly become jaded, spoiled, and wimps of the highest order. Even 150 years ago, your fellow humans in his country would have scoffed at you if you had complained about such a pat-down. Now we cry foul and abuse and omg I felt VIOLATED. Boo frickin' hoo. We have it so good, and no one realizes it.

Don't like it.. make a statement. DON'T FLY. Don't fly and then complain about the rules when you knew well in advance exactly what they were.

reply to post by defcon5

People of both sexes, all ages, and all physical abilities have been historically used as mules. As a matter of fact, the people that criminals prefer to use as mules are those whom they figure would be least expected.

I understand the reference to mules but, since you made the claim, can site a single instance where an older white female committed an act of terrorism against the US? How about the removal of a 95 year old woman's diaper? Is that necessary to insure our safety? Can you site a time where a 95 year old woman committed an act of terrorism against the US or smuggled explosives in her diaper?

The Transportation Security Administration defended on Sunday the actions of its airport security officers at a northwest Florida airport after the agency came under criticism for requiring a 95-year-old woman to remove her adult diaper during a pat down.

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I personally dont mind seeing some provisions out there. I like to know that on my two hour flight I wont be sitting next to some crazy lunatic who wants to shoot people and I cant do a damn thing about it. But thats just my personal preference.

While I agree with your preference to not have a crazy lunatic on a plane, are you afraid of 59 year old white women?

I do think that security is a a bit too tight than necessary but it doesnt bother me. What does bother me is when people want to change something and go about it the wrong way. What she did was wrong and everyone knows it. Dont praise her for it.

I agree what she did was wrong but it should bother you that you and I are 'presumed to be guilty' when we show up at an airport. What happened to 'probable cause' and the 4th amendment?

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

We’ve allowed ourselves to be presumed guilty because of the action of a few Middle Eastern terrorists. The TSA could use a little more discretion when deciding who to check and how far to take it. Can we agree on that?

reply to post by seabag

There are not many attempts that are reported, but there are lots of other cases of using mules to smuggle, either with or without their consent...

Does this look like the face of a smuggler:

Lindsay Sandiford, a 56-year-old British woman, has been arrested on suspicion of trafficking coc aine worth around £1.6m into Bali, where the death penalty still exists for this type of crime.

Or this:

More senior citizens being charged with drug trafficking
Britt's 72-year-old neighbor, Mary Hargrove, is charged with three counts of opium or heroin trafficking, among other charges.
…
Lately, you just can't tell who might be involved in the drug trade. Three Brunswick County women in their 60s and 70s have all been charged with trafficking in the last month.

How about this tough looking character:

Mexican Cartels Using Children to Smuggle Drugs into U.S.
Children between the ages of 11 and 17 are being recruited by Mexico's drug cartels to smuggle narcotics and work as spies, the Mexican press reported Sunday, citing information from the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ICE

The point is that EVERYONE regardless of their age is susceptible to greed and easy money. People are also not above using others, including their own children. Its happened before.

reply to post by defcon5

There are not many attempts that are reported, but there are lots of other cases of using mules to smuggle, either with or without their consent...

Does this look like the face of a smuggler

First of all, you’re talking about smuggling drugs. I asked you to provide one instance of an older woman committing terrorism.

Secondly, the stories you provided are not even from this country.

The point is that EVERYONE regardless of their age is susceptible to greed and easy money. People are also not above using others, including their own children. Its happened before.

NO act of terrorism has happened in the United States by an older woman acting as a mule. It makes no sense to check every person boarding a plane when OBVIOUS acceptions could be made. If you're a middle-eastern man boarding a plane in US then expect extra scrutiny. If you're a grandma or child or a nun you certainly shouldn't be searched because a threat is non existent.

Originally posted by seabag
I had a good time. It was a criminal trial, I got 3 paid days off to sit in an air conditioned room, I got paid a few extra bucks just for being there, and I got to go home before 4pm every day! Hell, I’d go every month if they’d take me!

I feel the same way. Why would anyone want to get out of that? It was a vacation for me and encouraging to see that every member of the jury knew that the cops were lying. The guy was convicted of a much lesser crime than the cops had hoped for. Justice was actually served for once, and I felt good leaving there.

As for Ms. Price, I'm guessing that the judge told the jury that she is the one on trial for battery, and not the TSA, and therefore their decision must be based on that, no matter what they think of TSA patdowns. In fact, I'd bet on it.

Originally posted by seabag
Well, it wasn’t exactly “protesting”. The lady got a little irate and decided to pat down the TSA agent supervisor to show her what she had experienced.

Price, 59, was charged earlier this year after she used a hand-on approach to show a Transportation Security Administration supervisor just how intrusive the screening she had just received was. Now a jury has convicted her of battery and she is being forced to pay $500 and has received six months of probation.

So what exactly did she do that amounted to battery you might ask???

“(The screener) dug into my bra strap coming down,” Price told the jury. “She also swiped the palm of her hand down the front of my breast.”

“She just took the palm of her hand and went up my leg — front, back, right leg, left leg — and touched my genitals,” she added. Price also claimed that the agent “went up into my buttocks.”

When TSA supervisor Kristin Arnberg approached an outraged Price after the initial screening, the would-be passenger decided to show her just how exactly evasive the whole procedure was. Almost.

“I got up her leg, close to her genitals, but did not even get near enough to touch them,” Price told the court.

Isn’t it funny how it’s acceptable for the TSA to do it but when one of us does it its battery? I don’t know how you feel but I think this court ruling should be used against TSA. We had a jury rule that the procedures are invasive and amount to battery.

The supervisor equated the experience to the court as both painful and embarrassing.

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Imagine that!!

This practice of intrusive pat-downs in airports needs to stop…We have the technology today to avoid physical contact so I don’t know why we continue to put up with these violations.

Does groping a 59 year old American woman make us safer? Exactly how many American women have been convicted of terrorism or attempted terrorism?

edit on 13-7-2012 by seabag because: (no reason given)

The problem with all this is that the TSA AGENT is an Employee of the Federal Government and touching them is a FEDERAL CRIME under the OBAMA ADMINISTRATION !

That is why she was convicted. Doesn't matter how RIGHT she was at pointing out how INTRUSIVE the pat down was.

Originally posted by Numbers33four
America deserves this and everything else that is coming. You let your government get away with the 911 attack and the falsely premised oil and resource wars that followed. You may be getting a government check now because you either work for them, are retired from them or you are on welfare but by doing so you are sealing your own fate and doom. You had the chance to stop the tyranny, but you chose to take the government cheese instead.

Enjoy the coming wars and the collapse of you economy from debt. Eat, drink and be stupid.

Perfectly stated !!!

Americans DO deserve everything they get.

As a matter of fact they're BEGGING for it.

"Eat, drink and be stupid" is the National Anthem of America...even though they hardly realize it.

How ghastly pathetic !!!

What time's "Dancing With The Stars" gonna be on ???