I think, therefore I AM

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1


So who, in your opinion, is Satan? You said that we are the rulers of hell on earth. Does the entirety of our species embody Satan?

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by Deetermined

 

How do you have rivers without a sea for it to flow from? That makes no sense.

Saying that the two rivers are crystal clear like glass implies that the water is pure, not polluted. Who is the one that pollutes? Man because man is the ruler of hell on Earth, when there is no man to pollute the Earth, it is heaven.

edit on 16-7-2012 by 3NL1GHT3N3D1 because: (no reason given)

The sea has been replaced with God's throne. The two rivers run out of it.

I think you need to go back and read all of your posts again because you argue mostly against yourself.

By stating that when there is no man to pollute the earth, it is heaven, only confirms my statements and not yours.

This is what I've been trying to tell you. Man will have to cease to exist as we know it. It needs to take on the spirit and dump the body. As long as man is walking around in a human body he will pollute the earth. As long as man is walking around in a human body he will not have pure consciousness. Wherever man is walking around in a human body will never be heaven. So, stop thinking with your limited human mind that's in your human body and start working on maturing your spirit.

My work is done here in this thread!

Peace!

reply to post by Deetermined

Man will have to cease to exist as we know it.

I very eagerly await the arrival of this event. The day mankind falls, I will rejoice. My life will be complete. If I cannot watch mankind outgrow its diapers and walk as angels, then I will watch it burn...I hope. There is a certain beauty to justice, even as it turns the world to ash.

reply to post by Deetermined


personally.. i feel like we need to start getting to a point where we can connect our spiritual reality with our physical reality... and in doing that i think it will lead us to a place close to heaven on earth...
of course this will be for the future of humans, but i do think at one point that we will be able to bring the physical and spiritual together....
what do you think about this?

reply to post by AfterInfinity


No, I am generalizing when I say 'we', what I mean is the humans among us who are greedy (the ones who run everything) are Satan. They are the ones that pollute Earth for their own profit. They are the ones who deceive in order to start wars so that they can profit off of it.

War destroys and pollutes Earth, along with genetically modifying plants, dumping nuclear waste into the water supply, and dumping trash everywhere.

The satans among us are the cause for the pollution, but the rest of us let it happen. We are too focused on our jobs to care, we are more focused on making money than protecting the environment.

Money and religion together create the illusion that this world doesn't matter, that what's after this life is what matters. Money is the tool that Satan uses in order to make us do what they want, because as long as we get our money and provide for our families, we don't care. And the idea of heaven being separate from us reinforces this mentality.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Deetermined

 

Man will have to cease to exist as we know it.

I very eagerly await the arrival of this event. The day mankind falls, I will rejoice. My life will be complete. If I cannot watch mankind outgrow its diapers and walk as angels, then I will watch it burn...I hope. There is a certain beauty to justice, even as it turns the world to ash.

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That makes two of us!

Mankind will fall. Mankind in a human body will cease to exist. Mankind has proven that it chooses not to live like Jesus even though God told us we were capable if we really wanted to. Mankind is not capable of outgrowing it's diapers! (LOL!) And yes, you will get to watch it burn before the New Jerusalem (new earth) is sent down from heaven!!

2 Peter 3:10

10) But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.

THE END and GOOD RIDDANCE to this life as we know it!

reply to post by willrush


Spiritual reality and physical reality are the same thing. The difference is that we think about one with our heart, and the other with our brain. When our brain trusts our heart, and our heart understands our brain, that is when we can begin to truly grasp this universe.

But for now, we are entirely absorbed in left-brain materialism, and while we are buried in that rut, we cannot grow.

reply to post by Deetermined


How exactly have I argued against myself? I have stayed consistent throughout the debate, you are the one who has kept changing his views.

The spirit cannot thrive without the body to support it, and the body cannot thrive without the spirit to support is. They rely on one another to be what they are and to work at their full potential.

What work have you done in this thread exactly except constantly change your stance and backpedal?

reply to post by Deetermined


Like I said earlier, Jesus coming back for the rapture is a metaphor for the sun becoming more active and hotter. When that happens, Earths magnetic field is weakened then flipped, and when the magnetic field is weakened that leaves everything on Earth to become more susceptible to the suns radiation and heat.

So yes, when the rapture takes place, the Earth will scorch and most everything will die and Earth will be rid of mans corruption and it will start anew and will be turned back into heaven over a period of many years.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by Deetermined

 

How exactly have I argued against myself? I have stayed consistent throughout the debate, you are the one who has kept changing his views.

I just pointed it out to you and you still don't recognize it.

The spirit cannot thrive without the body to support it, and the body cannot thrive without the spirit to support is. They rely on one another to be what they are and to work at their full potential.

YES IT CAN! THE SPIRIT LIVES ON FOREVER, BUT THE BODY DIES!

What work have you done in this thread exactly except constantly change your stance and backpedal?

The only stance I changed was a clarification to God's physical kingdom and God's spiritual kingdom, but I did mention both if you go back and read again.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

The spirit cannot thrive without the body to support it, and the body cannot thrive without the spirit to support is. They rely on one another to be what they are and to work at their full potential.

That's like saying electricity cannot exist without a battery to contain it.

reply to post by Deetermined

The only stance I changed was a clarification to God's physical kingdom and God's spiritual kingdom, but I did mention both if you go back and read again.

Remind me where these are located? And please explain why there needed to be two separate kingdoms...

reply to post by AfterInfinity


Reread what I said, I never said that the spirit cannot exist without the body, I said it could not 'thrive' without the body to support, and the body cannot 'thrive' without the spirit within it.

Electricity certainly does exist without a battery, but what good is that electricity if it cannot be harnessed into a battery?

reply to post by Deetermined


I've been saying this whole time that heaven cannot exist on Earth with man and his greed, I have never stated the opposite. Show me where I said the opposite.

I never said that the spirit cannot exist without the body or vice versa, I said they cannot 'thrive' without each other. There is a difference between thriving and existing. Without something existing it cannot thrive, but something can exist but not thrive. See the difference?

reply to post by AfterInfinity


(From my previous post) As far as exact location of Paradise, I couldn't tell you. At one time all people who died went to Sheol (which was in the center of the earth), which was divided into two sections. One section was Hades and the other was Paradise. Whether or not the location of Paradise has moved since Christ's death, I'm not sure.

I believe we have the universe above us and God's spiritual kingdom sitting above the universe. I'm not certain where Paradise sits in relation to it.

The fact that Revelation 21 says that God will make his kingdom with man when he creates the New Jerusalem, leads me to believe that he still has his own separate kingdom for now.

Revelation 21

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

John 14:2-3

2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

So, I believe that God and Jesus are waiting until the time of Jesus' second coming to gather everyone together in order to reside together.

reply to post by Deetermined


I'm adding another one for good measure regarding the New Jerusalem as outlined in Revelation 21 & 22.

Revelation 22

5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

The spirit cannot thrive without the body to support it, and the body cannot thrive without the spirit to support is. They rely on one another to be what they are and to work at their full potential.

Well apparently there's alot of spirits that didn't get that memo, or i wouldn't have had invisible ghosts throwing crap at me and walking across my kitchen and living room floors when i was alone in my old house hearing the footsteps on the floor, or hearing those footsteps walk up behind me only to turn around and no one be there.

Don't tell me spirits can't thrive without a body when i damn well seen 'em do it, i studied the paranormal for 10 years and seen things science fails to explain.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


Right there, Christianity is revealed to be at least partially inaccurate, almost to the point of a flat-out lie. The Bible states that ghosts are not real, and yet you've encountered them yourself. All demons and spirits were thrown into another place, not on Earth...and yet we have ghosts still walking this plane and this planet.

Which means the Bible is wrong. And if that's the case, what other inaccuracies does it possess?

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1


Spirit and body require different forms of nourishment. The body is not necessary for the spirit to survive, or thrive.

reply to post by Deetermined


Sounds like new Jerusalem was a spaceship descending from the sky. Either that, or a spaceship delivered it.