What is so wrong with religion?

My question to all of you.................What is so wrong with religion? There is no restrictions, well most at least. You can go to church then go to the store and steal something. You can leave at any time. You can wear anything you want. Most Mormons don't follow any of their restrictions. Catholics don't follow any of their restrictions. Christianity don't have very many restrictions. Islam is a misunderstood religion because there is two different factions, just like the Baptists.

For those who think I'm wrong at the the religions stated above. I'm not. I know many people in each religion and none of them follow their church restrictions to a "T." For example: last time I went to a Mormon church everyone was asleep. There is nothing wrong with religion. If you don't believe in the beliefs that's fine but most of the time I hear about how restrictive it is. Well I just explained how nonrestrictive it is. I support all of you who do not believe in the beliefs of religion but don't come bashing me because of my beliefs. Just because I choose to have some guidance in my life, there is nothing wrong with that and nothing wrong with not having any guidance in life.

Close with one last thing. A true follower of a religion will not try to convert you to their cause every waking moment. Those people are insecure about their faith. The people who are not, will be patient and wait for the time when it is appropriate to say what their belief is.

You talking about hypocrites or religion? I can't tell.

reply to post by johngrissom


I am sure that many non-believers or just humans in general do plenty of things they either believe or know are bad, but then manage to justify it in some other way.

I am an atheist, and I put my "faith" in modern science. Science tells me smoking is bad for me, very bad in fact, and a lot of other stuff too, and yet I smoke - and personally I don't see the difference between my situation and someone who believes it is sinful to do something, but does it anyhow.

However, what I consider the real problem with religion is that it is so open to interpretation and it is therefore close to impossible to reach a common consensus about anything. I imagine some might deny this because they are convinced they have got it right and every one else is just wrong - and this is where I, and most other atheist, ask for some hardcore evidence to justify not only why one interpretation is better than the other, but also why any interpretation is necessary.

What do you expect? Satan has had 2000 years to get ready for the big show. He owns it all right now. All religion. And it all leads right to him. Consolidation coming.

Originally posted by Numbers33four
What do you expect? Satan has had 2000 years to get ready for the big show. He owns it all right now. All religion. And it all leads right to him. Consolidation coming.

What leads to Satan? Did you find a trail of hoof prints?
Please elaborate.

Originally posted by Numbers33four
What do you expect? Satan has had 2000 years to get ready for the big show. He owns it all right now. All religion. And it all leads right to him. Consolidation coming.

satan has had even more than 2000 years to do it. Lucifer wanted God to have a opportunity to deceive humanity. because God knows that human is more powerfull than them and if humanity wants it can withstand their temptations or to be even worse than satan. this is the freedom.
I have experienced many persons here that blame religions for this chaos. this is how satan does it's job.]
first it makes human to alter the monotheistic religions then makes others to come and blame such wrong religions and that world should be free of religions.
do you know why!?
because it is preparing world for the empire of anti_christ and the real monotheistic religions can unite humanity against him.

What is wrong with religion..... It's a lie and designed to control!

Wars are the cause of it, death is it's constant companion.
All in the name of a so called god of love................. ha

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first it makes human to alter the monotheistic religions then makes others to come and blame such wrong religions and that world should be free of religions.
do you know why!?
because it is preparing world for the empire of anti_christ and the real monotheistic religions can unite humanity against him.

Whats wrong with religion, well aside from the priests tampering with the altar boys, and mostly every sharia law Muslim screeming gehad towards the west. Humanity has simply outgrown organised religion, we dont need a God that says, do this or that or ile spank you. Communion with your creator does not require the services of some dirty old bigot anylonger! The Truth is that it never has required anyone but youself.

Originally posted by andy06shake
Whats wrong with religion, well aside from the priests tampering with the altar boys, and mostly every sharia law Muslim screeming gehad towards the west. Humanity has simply outgrown organised religion, we dont need a God that says, do this or that or ile spank you. Communion with your creator does not require the services of some dirty old bigot anylonger! The Truth is that it never has required anyone but youself.

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well still there are some right clerics.
always you have a guidance from a factory to how to use the machine they have created. human is a complicated machine that still does not know many things.

"well still there are some right clerics.
always you have a guidance from a factory to how to use the machine they have created. human is a complicated machine that still does not know many things."

Pal the instuctions organised religion would give you may involve you or you children bending over in one capacity or another. We are a complicated species i will give you that but as for an instrution book, its simple, take what you do not have but have what you cannot take, never hurt anyone weeker than your self, everything else is chicken soup(Easy).

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Why do you believe that?

Please, instead of just making crazy accusations about the devil manipulating mankind against organized religion and theis, please try to back up your claims with some kind of data - any kind.


Have you met Satan?

Originally posted by maes9

Originally posted by andy06shake
Whats wrong with religion, well aside from the priests tampering with the altar boys, and mostly every sharia law Muslim screeming gehad towards the west. Humanity has simply outgrown organised religion, we dont need a God that says, do this or that or ile spank you. Communion with your creator does not require the services of some dirty old bigot anylonger! The Truth is that it never has required anyone but youself.

edit on 11-7-2012 by andy06shake because: (no reason given)

well still there are some right clerics.
always you have a guidance from a factory to how to use the machine they have created. human is a complicated machine that still does not know many things.

What gives you the impression that clerics have better understanding on the complicated mechanics of human beings, than anyone else? They have not been elected, appointed or anything else, they have taken an education and filled out a job application. At least from other professionals with expect some kind of standard - with religion there can never be one.

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Well put mate, i mean how many HNDs/degrees does a priest/cleric have anyway. Ile have a guess none!

reply to post by maes9


If you know right from wrong, have morals that dictate how to live your life without impeding on others, are not selfish and willing to share..

Religion is a pointless glove made to fit those who otherwise would be blind to life.

Clerics? What are they? Men? Self appointed or appointed by a conglomerate of like minded miscreants, by any other name.. still men, and given power to tell you what you need to do.

You don't need to pray 5 times a day. Go to church on sunday. Pray before bed. Eat fish on Friday. Fast for a month. Whip yourself with barbed chains.

You won't get into a grave any different.

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oh please I am not defending the medieval. I did not mean that clerics know everything. I mean still we can find some remained truths among these altered monotheistic religions. especially those that are common among them. and rational. for example Quran says there is only one God and Jesus is alive the same you can find in gosples. although you may misunderstand those part of gospels that Jesus is the God.
or for example all of them are against lie, stealing, adultry, homosexuality, and for praying.
nowadays there are many scientific evidences that praying can have significant impressions on diseases and ...

and about the empire of satan. you can go and search the ONE EYED GOD. and the illuminaty and ....

wakeupproject.com...

Religion kills people.
Always has, always will.

Originally posted by maes9
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oh please I am not defending the medieval. I did not mean that clerics know everything. I mean still we can find some remained truths among these altered monotheistic religions. especially those that are common among them. and rational. for example Quran says there is only one God and Jesus is alive the same you can find in gosples. although you may misunderstand those part of gospels that Jesus is the God.
or for example all of them are against lie, stealing, adultry, homosexuality, and for praying.
nowadays there are many scientific evidences that praying can have significant impressions on diseases and ...

But this is exactly the problem I pointed out in my first post. There is no way to come to a common consensus with religion. You might say that your interpretation is right and every one else just doesn't get it, but you have yet to present my with any evidence to that, and personally I don't see how there could ever be such a thing.

I do not disagree with you on the fact that there are some good ideas and philosophies in various religions, but it doesn't give you any tools to tell them apart from the bad ones.

and about the empire of satan. you can go and search the ONE EYED GOD. and the illuminaty and ....

wakeupproject.com...

You have to try just a little harder then that. I am not gonna waste my time researching your claims for you. If you think you have a case, I will lend you my time and my ear, but don't just throw a link a me and expect me to swallow it.

Organised religion is nothing more than a control construct, designed to keep in place the grip that your religious masters must maintain upon the masses and thus retard any origonal thoughts or ideas that the common man may have!

If organised religion is a requirment, please explain the inquisition?

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well do you know what the tree of life is? somehow a symbol of satan that magicians! use that and it is inherited from ancient times! some believe that it is the map our other dimensions.
in tree of life 10 is the number of God and 11 the number of satan because his goal is to reach above God. certainly he can not. 9 is the number bellow God.
then we have the 22 and 33 day war of Israel.
just look at this: 1*11,2*11,3*11. and what does 9-11 mean. it means to jump over God. they attacked Iraq qnd Afghanistan. and the next steps were the new middle east as Rise claimed. these steps were 22 and then 33 day war of Israel to cut the arms of resistance. if they had succeeded, they would have moved onwards to the next steps. that was nothing to attack Syria and then Iran to complete the illuminati new world order.
but: in the Bible, in the psalm 37 we can read ""The wicked plot against the righteous, and gnash their teeth at them, but the Lord laughs at the wicked, for he knows their day is coming, The wicked draw the sword, and bend the bow, to bring down the poor and needy, to slay those whose ways are upright, But their swords will pierce their own hearts, and their bows will be broken.""

please do not say that they were muslims and not a human! there is only one God in the world and we are worshipping that. and there is only one alive Jesus in the world which will return soon.
Jesus the Messiah of real jews, the crucified Jesus of christians and the not crucified Jesus of muslims.

if you do not believe in these, be sure that those zhionists believe in.
so be sure that all of us are in a group against the INTERNATIONAL ZHIONISM
nowadays nothing is a secret. for example how Bush insisted on the word """new world order""" we all know that he is a Mason. nowadays monotheistic religions are altered let alone manmade ideologies.
which culture does this zhionsits (not real jews) carry unless the cabala and the culture of ancient egypt. and now they are the nearest alley of USA and have a great influence there.
where is USA. a country that is full of freemasonry symbols and which claims the "new world order". this is why we are suspicious about a satanic alliance of illuminaty and the elite masons.

Bible Deuteronomy 33:2 (New International Version, ©2011)
""" He said:The LORD came from Sinai""" there is a consensus that it is about Moses
""""and dawned over them from Seir;""" I say this is about Jesus (although jews leaders may not compeletly agree)
""" he shone forth from Mount Paran(mountains around Mecca).He came with[a] myriads(ten thousands) of holy ones from the south, from his mountain slopes.""" whom do you think the last refers to!? (although christians and jews leaders do not agree)

Quran:The family of imran (64)
""" Say: O followers of the Book(christians and jews)! come to an equitable proposition between us and you that we shall not serve any but God and (that) we shall not associate aught with Him, and (that) some of us shall not take others for lords besides God; but if they turn back, then say: Bear witness that to Him do we submit(the meaning of Islam)"""

so of course there is something to come along especially when all the humanity wake up and know that Lucifer was not just a story in the Bible that it is repeatedly mistranslated!