So. what are you all doing about the new health care tax?

Its the wealthy who are angry and are making a HUGE stink about. Most big businesses and corporations make TONS of profit even during a bad quarter, yet they are TOO CHEAP to pay anything for the better of their employees whom do all the work and bring in the profit for them.

The wealthy are SUPER CHEAP and always whine the loudest when something gets passed or is suggested to be passed that helps the little guy. The little guy who do ALL THE WORK in this country in the FIRST PLACE.

The cry babies here are the wealthy CHEAP bastards who are bitter about anything that makes life more tolerable and more fair for the little guy in this country. Like BIG BABIES who wish only for themselves to get anything out of life and # the rest.

Its about the wealthy being cheap whiny bastards. Thats who is complaining about it.

Who says the Insurance Companies won't be making money?
They are among the Elite Ruling companies of the world.
They willl get their share of the new tax and be making more money than ever.

If we were all educated on a healthy life style we would not be such a sick nation.
Most sicknesses are related to the food we eat and the chemicals we are exposed to in our food, water and general environment.

For those who reserve to themselves the right to stuff themselves with poisonous pleasures, I am sorry to say that I believe there is a need to ban the manufacure of certain of the common foods and additives that are on the market today. Such as White Sugar and White Flour; MSG and Aspartame and the likes.

I also think that big pharma can come up with pain meds that are not addicting.
I have to wonder why there are so many people today who are genuinely in pain.
I do personally know some who have back pain and wonder why there are so many of them.
A hundred years ago people worked long hard hours at manual labor (farms and industry). If they had the same back problems they would not have been able to work. They didn't seem to have them; so what is wrong with present day people?

For those who are alcohol and tobacco addicts, I say Tough !; you made your choice now live with it. Don't expect me to help pay for your self-inflicted problems.
The subject of drug addiction opens up a whole thing in itself, and I won't go there for now.

reply to post by Gridrebel


As far as up to day is not where written that said you can be taxed and who is going to enforced that has to go into congress for debate.

So as long as Obama is kick out of the white house we are safe.

But if he wins you bet that that tax is heading our way and many more, rest assure is going to be bundle by the corporate dictatorship without any oversight and control.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by Gridrebel

 

Doesn't even take effect until 2014, and will likely be repealed before then. The SCOTUS got it wrong, it IS unconstitutional, and if they call it a tax, then it was never passed appropriately anyway.

No worries.

Isn't it unusual, sad, strange and true that a member of our ATS community can see that it is unconstitutional when the SCOTUS made their pronouncement to the contrary?

Obamacare Is An Unconstitutional Direct Tax
libertylegalfoundation.org...

I only wish I had your confidence that it will be repealed/revoked. I don't, because the highest court in the land is playing fast and loose with the Constitution and I fear that isn't going to change.

At this point disagreeing with the SCOTUS is like arguing with your dad. Instead of reality based rulings it is more like: "It is this way because we said so!"

I don't relish the idea of being forced to pay for abortions through taxes. This is a total disregard of our First Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

en.wikipedia.org...

We have Bishops ready to go to jail for not paying the stiff penalty for not providing contraceptive, sterilization and abortion service in their health insurance and mark my words - pro-life people will go to jail before supporting abortion with their taxes.

I hope those of you who may not really care about our First Amendment rights consider how valuable your Second Amendments rights are to you to and support us. If they can take our rights away with the stroke of a pen, don't think for a minute that yours are not in jeopardy.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

They won't have to do any of that if they repeal it immediately after the election. Even if Obama is re-elected, there is likely to be a Republican Senate and House.

I don't think this Bill will ever be implemented. Even if the government sticks behind it, I don't think the states and the employers and the public are going to cooperate.

it's still going to be a gigantic failure in so many ways. take the IRS for instance, they will need to add 30k IRS agents just to keep up with implementing the new tax and some may ask why would they do that when the IRS wasn't given the power to even collect it in the event of none compliance. all the IRS can do is send nasty letters to you and keep your tax return, they cannot garnish wages, nor access bank accounts for this tax.

the entire OC act is an F'ing joke on the American people and designed to do nothing more then hide the same corrupt system inside a new set of clothes.

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I think a LOT of people will unite with you in actively opposing this "tax" even if it does mean jail, and I also think that combined with high unemployment, more recession, a lying MSM covering a faux election process, will mean a very active resistance to this bill among other things.

It is 2012 after all, there should be some very big developments between now and just after election time, which also happens to be just before 12/21/12. I'm not a big believer in key dates like that, but sometimes prophecies are self-fulfilling. I've heard a lot of people, regular people, talking about why would they do this or that if the world is going to end anyway. I think it is in the subconsciousness of a lot of people, and I think people are taking risks they wouldn't normally take right now, and that might be a good thing when it comes to opposing this tax, and this government.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


I'm sorry, but it's you that are mistaken...

That allowed the Democrats to pass the original Senate version of Obamacare (passed when there were 60 Democratic votes in the Senate) through the House, and to pass changes to that previously approved Senate bill through both the House and the Senate with a simple majority vote. In other words, the only reason Obamacare is law today is that the Democrats used "reconciliation" to pass it through the Senate without the need for 60 votes.

If it's not a tax why do they need the IRS to collect the money?

The IRS is all about taxes.

well do not pay in to it for it is a non tax tax get it? ok here it is the tax they the Gov say it is, is not a tax, there is no tax code for it IRS will have to make one up for it to be enforceable tax, how they will do this is beyond me for it is a service not a commodity ie property or income.

So. what are you all doing about the new health care tax?

Meh. Ignoring it. Doesn't apply to hardly anybody, really.

reply to post by Gridrebel


I'm laying low to avoid the gastapo. If this tax isn't going into effect until 2014, maybe politicians feel this will provide leverage to get the slaves back to the grindstone?

Think about it. We know for sure that there are jobs out there. Many folks that previously had good jobs have had to take jobs delivering pizzas and such. Some have went to unemployment and wellfare. Many of the corporations that offer little in the way of compensation and benefits are still shorthanded throughout the country. Is this tax leverage to get us into those subpar jobs? Are the firearm laws being paraded around another form of leverage? They're both basically a tax.

The conservatives are working the anti-wellfare and anti-spending routine as usual. Are we being manipulated into all of this? Our only recourse being to take those jobs that do not pay enough to live on.

It seems like the NWO is closing in and they're taking no prisoners. Could this be the redistrabution of wealth that Obama speaks of?

Originally posted by BobM88
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

I'm sorry, but it's you that are mistaken...

That allowed the Democrats to pass the original Senate version of Obamacare (passed when there were 60 Democratic votes in the Senate) through the House, and to pass changes to that previously approved Senate bill through both the House and the Senate with a simple majority vote. In other words, the only reason Obamacare is law today is that the Democrats used "reconciliation" to pass it through the Senate without the need for 60 votes.

I gave you direct links that showed the actual vote in the Senate....it recieved 60 votes.

You can continue your ignorance, I really don't mind.

Originally posted by megax5000
Wait, wait. The LIBERALS like Obamacare cause it lines up the pockets of some CEO?

Cause those are some really interesting lefties you know. They would make for some really #ty socialists (like Obama).

No, liberals are gullible because they think the Affordable Care Act has something to do with care.

This is the largest bailout in the history of economics, and its to large, global corporations that really, truly care that you stay well and never have to make sure they get your money.

/TOA

What will I do??

This is simple... I will do the same thing I do with everything else the Government passes... not a thing.

What is most amusing to me is how they plan to use the IRS to collect the penalty. That is what is of the most interest to me personally. If it is a tax, and will treated as a tax, my suspicion is that the penalty will not be optional. It will be deducted from your paycheck just like taxes are. I have no intention of getting insurance until I can actually afford it and the bottom line is, I can not afford it.

There are a few things in this bill that I am waiting to see play out. For example, dependents being considered "dependent" until the age of 26. Does this now effect child support? Will people have to pay child support until the age of 26 now since at 25 the State can still consider the child to be a dependent?

I feel like there are still many unknowns to this bill. By "unknowns" I mean, we all know what it says, but how will it be put into practice. That is what remains unknown about it. So for me, I will treat it like I do the IRS. I ignore it. I do not file taxes. I have not filed taxes since I was like 22 years old, and I am soon turning 40. I have been entitled to a refund every single year, but I simply choose not to participate and I will continue to choose not to participate.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher

wasn't planning on cooperating in the least but now that you mention it ...

But I would think you would want to get something out of your money instead of just paying a penalty.

maybe i'll just take up using your tax dollars rather my sources.
afterall, no penalty will be enforced and i'd qualify for a subsidy so why not?
would be cheaper for me in the long run and i'd get more frequent care than i do now.
hey, thanks for the idea

PS: if you don't see a problem with this line of thinking, multiply it times 20 million or so ppl + the other 30 million who weren't previously insured and where do you think this program is headed ??