So. what are you all doing about the new health care tax?

I don't have health insurance. Can't afford it. I pay as I go. Just wondering how the rest of you are going to afford your new tax.

reply to post by Gridrebel


Doesn't even take effect until 2014, and will likely be repealed before then. The SCOTUS got it wrong, it IS unconstitutional, and if they call it a tax, then it was never passed appropriately anyway.

No worries.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by Gridrebel

 

Doesn't even take effect until 2014, and will likely be repealed before then. The SCOTUS got it wrong, it IS unconstitutional, and if they call it a tax, then it was never passed appropriately anyway.

No worries.

GRA, please don't tell me you believe in the repeal propaganda.

This is almost impossible to repeal unless they pass a replacement bill with almost all the same provisions in it at the same time. How are they going to justify kicking millions of people off of insurance with pre-existing conditions, kids under 26 that are still on their parents insurance, and millions of children???

There were already many many taxes in the bill, calling the penalty a tax does not change the bill at all. And it was passed appropriately, first in the house and then in the Senate. It didn't use reconciliation, it passed straight up.

And when the SCOTUS says it is Constitutional...then it is Constitutional until another SCOTUS overturns that ruling...no matter what individual opinions are about it. Walking around and continuing to call it unconstitutional just makes you look stubborn and arrogant....and I know you are better than that.


As for the OP...I have health insurance, so I am not subject to the penalty. And if you truly can't afford it, you will be given assistance to buy health insurance. If you choose to pay the tax instead, then that is your choice. But I would think you would want to get something out of your money instead of just paying a penalty.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


They won't have to do any of that if they repeal it immediately after the election. Even if Obama is re-elected, there is likely to be a Republican Senate and House.

I don't think this Bill will ever be implemented. Even if the government sticks behind it, I don't think the states and the employers and the public are going to cooperate.

reply to post by Gridrebel


My understanding is if you make less than $150,00.00 then you're exempt.

Pay the lesser amount, of course.

There's nothing I can do about it. That's the saddest thing about this. The government doesn't care who it hurts it just wants the money.

All in the name of the greater good of course.

But I'll tell you something.

It's because of this crap load that I will forever hate the words the greater good. Because it's always the selfish wealthy elite who use it to take whatever they want to from the little guy.

sorry, double post

It doesn't really effect me since I already have government insurance and will turn 65 by the time it takes effect. In fact it doesn't effect anyone in my extended family very much since they're already covered.

However, I don't think it will get repealed but will be modified. My best,

I will not pay. I will not submit. I have already stopped paying federal taxes. This regime has lost all legitimacy in my eyes. I do not hold myself subject to any of their laws. I follow the Constitution. This law and many others are UN-Constitutional. I will not obey UN-Constitutional rules neither will I respect the authority of any agent attempting to enforce them.

Assuming the global economy has not crumbled by 2014...

I will do my best to keep a job I guess.

Besides people whining about it...

I would assume that like everything else you'll get to wright it off on your taxes, so you mite get most of it back.

Just saying

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


What?? That bill was completely passed using reconciliation!

How Obamacare passed

Recall that, in the aftermath of Scott Brown's election to the Senate, congressional Democrats made an end run around the Senate filibuster by employing the "reconciliation" process to hammer out the final agreement between the House and the Senate. That allowed the Democrats to pass the original Senate version of Obamacare (passed when there were 60 Democratic votes in the Senate) through the House, and to pass changes to that previously approved Senate bill through both the House and the Senate with a simple majority vote. In other words, the only reason Obamacare is law today is that the Democrats used "reconciliation" to pass it through the Senate without the need for 60 votes.

Can someone please explain to me why this tax is so bad? From my understanding, it will enable EVERYONE to see a doctor when they need to, whether they are rich or poor. It is tax for society's greater benefit. Are people truly so unwilling to contribute towards their fellow man?

I'm really confused why Americans hate this idea of healthcare. What is wrong with paying some tax so everybody can afford healthcare and you don't have to rely on insurance companies which are only looking to make profit for themselves, rather than serve the community?

And please, don't attack me. I ask sincerely.

reply to post by DeepThoughtCriminal


BECAUSE YOU'RE BEING FORCED TO PAY FOR IT!

And it's going to hurt many people.

For example, say you're a person who's making $1200 a month.

The payment is $95 or up to 2.5% of your salary. That's a huge amount of money out of someone who is making so little. Some people pay $600 in rent or mortgage, $200 in electricity and $200 to $400 in food a month. Not to mention car payments if there is any. It's not designed to help the poor. It will only hurt the poor.

And where does that money go?

Right into some CEO's pocket. It will not go to shore up medicare or any other program that helps out people.

It's designed for the rich so the rich can get richer.

That's all it's for, nothing else.

That's why I oppose it.

Nor does it bring prices down of expensive medicine that poor people can't afford to get either.

Not to mention, like the lottery, other politicians will raid that money for their own projects that have nothing to do with healthcare.

That's why it's a bad thing.

Most Americans don't want it because of that, but the liberals don't get it. They're trying to shove it down our throats any way they can.

reply to post by EvilSadamClone


It's designed to force people into single-payer via government subsidies.

reply to post by BobM88


I'm sorry but you are wrong.

They talked about using reconciliation to pass it, but they didn't have to.

The Bill recieved 60 votes in the Senate.

You can go check for yourself:

www.govtrack.us...

www.govtrack.us...

Isn't the tax penalty in Obamacare not even really enforced?

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
reply to post by DeepThoughtCriminal

 

BECAUSE YOU'RE BEING FORCED TO PAY FOR IT!

And it's going to hurt many people.

For example, say you're a person who's making $1200 a month.

The payment is $95 or up to 2.5% of your salary. That's a huge amount of money out of someone who is making so little. Some people pay $600 in rent or mortgage, $200 in electricity and $200 to $400 in food a month. Not to mention car payments if there is any. It's not designed to help the poor. It will only hurt the poor.

And where does that money go?

Right into some CEO's pocket. It will not go to shore up medicare or any other program that helps out people.

It's designed for the rich so the rich can get richer.

That's all it's for, nothing else.

That's why I oppose it.

Nor does it bring prices down of expensive medicine that poor people can't afford to get either.

Not to mention, like the lottery, other politicians will raid that money for their own projects that have nothing to do with healthcare.

That's why it's a bad thing.

Most Americans don't want it because of that, but the liberals don't get it. They're trying to shove it down our throats any way they can.

Wait, wait. The LIBERALS like Obamacare cause it lines up the pockets of some CEO?

Cause those are some really interesting lefties you know. They would make for some really #ty socialists (like Obama).

I'll just let them fine...uh...tax me.
They can tack it on to the rest of the pile of money they say I owe them.
I'll never be able to pay it all, anyway, so what's the difference?