New Scientist - Ouija board helps psychologists probe the subconscious

Originally posted by definity
I can't believe in this day and age people still think Ouiji board are a 'Real' portal to the unknown.

I can't believe that you don't. Obviously you have never used one and had problems from it.
Many people are able to use them without having issues later. But .. many people DO open
doors to some nasty metaphysical problems.

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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by definity
I can't believe in this day and age people still think Ouiji board are a 'Real' portal to the unknown.

I can't believe that you don't. Obviously you have never used one and had problems from it.
Many people are able to use them without having issues later. But .. many people DO open
doors to some nasty metaphysical problems.

I have didn't work, and I know why it didn't work. Because it know it is rubbish. That is because they believe it. If you don't believe it it will not works hence why it didn't for me. Belief is a powerful thing belief in itself can drive a man crazy, let alone adding hocus pocus boards that he thinks are paranormal, no wonder why a lot of people are paranoid.

So your saying if you have a so called bad experience with a Ouiji board everything that happens afterwards that is bad is now because the Ouiji board and not just bad luck?

Originally posted by aaaiii
reply to post by strafgod

 

If I told you you'd think I was crazy.

When you know, you ARE crazy.

Calling ME rude and then turn around and call a fellow member crazy.

Ok, hypocrisy is a trait you excel in, we get it.

Originally posted by aaaiii
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

Believe that they work.

You are right. Metaphysically, they are dangerous.

You don't understand what I've said because your eye isn't open.

I don't understand what you mean either!

The incongruity of the human race is amazing.

One week we have humans discovering the higgs boson.

The next week we have the government declaring that mermaids are not real.

Even now, in the quantum age, we have morons believing in superstitions, divining rods, ouija boards and haunted knick knacks.

Yes, all this in the 21st century!

People, it's way past time to leave the dark ages and open your eyes.

Dont be scared to let go of the woo that, paradoxically, keeps you in a constant state of fear.

Let go of the fear. Turn off those fear mongers on the am radio and corporate tv. Stop reading the constant doom threads in forums such as this.

It can be done.

Originally posted by definity
So your saying if you have a so called bad experience with a Ouiji board everything that happens afterwards that is bad is now because the Ouiji board and not just bad luck?

Oh gosh no! What I'm saying is that people have had negative metaphysical things happen. Things that are very real ... not just that little piece of plastic moving on its own ... I mean hauntings, that kind of thing. Things in the house moving on their own, etc etc ...

Originally posted by Snoopy1978
Even now, in the quantum age, we have morons believing in superstitions, divining rods, ouija boards and haunted knick knacks.

Understanding that there is more around us than just what can be seen or understood doesn't make me a moron. The real morons are those myopic 'psychologists', and others, who refuse to understand that there is more around us than they want to admit. The fact is, people have very real negative metaphysical experiences usinga ouija board. That's not superstition .. that's REAL EXPERIENCE.

And as far as 'haunted knick knacks' goes ... a lot of people, myself included, have had to deal with very active spooks. That doesn't make us morons. It just makes us people who have had to deal with very active spooks.

I feel badly for people who are blind to the fact that the metaphysical happens. I really do.

Originally posted by oneness86
Ouija boards are very real! the spirit or whatever doesn't move it, they use you as a median to move it for them. Ive had them tell me things that turned out to be very true such as the Iraq war, and my cousin turning out to be pregnant when she was told by doctors she couldn't have children

G'day oneness86 i like your video on your nic, very clever mate, is that when you where on ATS eh eh

The glass can move from the group meditation but sometimes an entity can also be evoked, the entity can be either naughty or nice, evolved or low evolution. not worth the risk

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Apply the entire statement to me.

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You see, I prefer to use reason before scaring myself into a frenzy from heresay or malicious myths, so putting the occult (woo woo) to the test is no big deal to me.

Before talking the talk, how about walking the walk?

I have used ouija boards, with people and alone, during day time and night time. In darkness and by candlelight, also with a regular bulb light on. I also stood alone in a dark bathroom and chanted bloody mary 3 times at the mirror. Actually make it 9 times since I repeated the experiment with a candle and, later, a red light bulb. Stood in a cementery and spoke out loud for all ghosts and/or demons to get in my car or follow me home. Also told them to take possession of my body if they got the grapes. Nothing supernatural happened in all cases.

On the subject of items, I own military artifacts from the world wars and other miscelaneous items such as used bayonets, a bullet-ridden helmet and even three human inca skulls (with hair still attached). Also a variety of inca pottery, ceramic childrens' toys and textiles dug out from inca graves by "huakeros" or professional peruvian grave thieves.

Hauntings? Nope.

By the way, about your persistent superstition and item-haunting association, here's a study by BF Skinner that concerns you:

"One of Skinner's experiments examined the formation of superstition in one of his favorite experimental animals, the pigeon. Skinner placed a series of hungry pigeons in a cage attached to an automatic mechanism that delivered food to the pigeon "at regular intervals with no reference whatsoever to the bird's behavior." He discovered that the pigeons associated the delivery of the food with whatever chance actions they had been performing as it was delivered, and that they subsequently continued to perform these same actions.[48]

One bird was conditioned to turn counter-clockwise about the cage, making two or three turns between reinforcements. Another repeatedly thrust its head into one of the upper corners of the cage. A third developed a 'tossing' response, as if placing its head beneath an invisible bar and lifting it repeatedly. Two birds developed a pendulum motion of the head and body, in which the head was extended forward and swung from right to left with a sharp movement followed by a somewhat slower return.[49][50]

Skinner suggested that the pigeons behaved as if they were influencing the automatic mechanism with their "rituals" and that this experiment shed light on human behavior:
The experiment might be said to demonstrate a sort of superstition. The bird behaves as if there were a causal relation between its behavior and the presentation of food, although such a relation is lacking. There are many analogies in human behavior. Rituals for changing one's fortune at cards are good examples. A few accidental connections between a ritual and favorable consequences suffice to set up and maintain the behavior in spite of many unreinforced instances. The bowler who has released a ball down the alley but continues to behave as if she were controlling it by twisting and turning her arm and shoulder is another case in point. These behaviors have, of course, no real effect upon one's luck or upon a ball half way down an alley, just as in the present case the food would appear as often if the pigeon did nothing—or, more strictly speaking, did something else.[49]"

Source: en.wikipedia.org...


Even broke it in paragraphs for easy reading. Enjoy.

I played around with a ouija board type thing one time and the answers that I received to the questions still, to this day, send shivers up my spine.

We asked the board questions about each of the four individuals in the ceremony that not one single person could answer correctly and the board not only knew the answer, but spelled out the word or went to the symbol jiffy quick.

I was hooking up with this girl at the time and she and I asked it this question...
"How many children will we have?"

The board then replied...
"2"

Then we asked the question...
"What will be the gender of each child?"

And the board then replied with a question mark....

A freaking question mark.

About two years after we had our night with the spirits, the previous girl became pregnant TWICE (by me)...
Did you get that?

She was impregnated by me twice in a 1 year period and she....

Wait for it...

She had an abortion both times.

Not my best moment, but not many days pass in which that doesn't come to my mind.

This device puts us in contact with something.
Be it our subconscious or the spirit world, we are put into contact with some sort of higher intelligence, for lack of a better word.

If you have never used one while also practicing the required rituals necessary to activate the board correctly, then you are maybe missing out.
I don't know, maybe not, but what I do know is that I will NEVER mess with one of those boards again.

bull# lol

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Very true, i believe a lot of people do tend to move the planchette to make people believe, and your right i have had so many bad experiences i tend not to mess with them anymore because there are just as many bad energies out there as there are good ones

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I agree with you 100% - this is a very bad experiment in the hands of adults who should know better. It sounds like the premise for a movie, a horror flick. Ignorant doctors play with boards only to have haunting terrifying experiences - real or imagined? They don't know, but in the end they are all left insane. Hey maybe someone should pitch that.

Originally posted by aaaiii
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

You start a thread and then you are hostile to its posters.

Why should I listen to a word you say?

There is more to the "world" than what you see right now.

In time you will see the truth.

Oh please you have our attention already - just tell us - tell us how to open the eye? The third one? The left one, the right one - stop with the smugness and just give us the golden nuggets or your supreme knowledge.
Ugg - always people acting as if there is some divine secret and if we don't know it we are not "seeing" it - quite honestly its exhausting just share your knowledge already!

Originally posted by Snoopy1978
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

Dangerous?!

Lmao it's a wooden board and a plastic planchette. What are you so scared of? Heresay?

Welcome to the 21st century. Leave your medieval fears, superstitions and dogmas at the door.

Snoopy, go play that bloody mary game in the bathroom with a candle and take the board with ya - go on - dare ya, then come on back and tell us what happened . . . ok sorry I posted this before I read that you have done this as well as other "dares" - hmmmm, are you waiting for a surprise? You are a skeptic but you are tempting - or are you searching? I am not picking on you I am really asking, its interesting.

Instead of just jumping into a Ouija board, I would say start with a pendulum. That can be used without a group, and it utilizes the same principle.



Then move on to Bibliomancy. The I-Ching.

Originally posted by 0thetrooth0

Originally posted by Dark Ghost
Quite a few closed-minded members in this thread, which is unfortunate. There are some things science cannot explain adequately and this does not mean that the paranormal/metaphysical are bunk.

I agree that there are things science can't explain.

Being a skeptic, what evidence do you have that the metaphysical/paranormal is real? I'm open to the possibility I just need something...thanks.

Oh gosh this stuff has been studied for years in this country and others. Take a look at the Psi research done in the 50-60s by the USA and Russia during the cold war. There is plenty that cant' be explained. What is interesting about the Russian research is they have a different method of scientific theory. They don't set up to prove things, they set out to IMPROVE things - they assume it exisists and don't waste time with endless exercises to prove. Our Western cultural view is to dismiss the unknown or toss out things that don't fit known expectations. I am tired and would like to give you more names, a few to start your google wandering are Skip Atwater and Joe McMoneagle - go from there and expand out - trust me its fun - it will have you scratching your head about so much more then just the topic of these two guys.

I'm not sure I believe in the whole Ouija Board thing being a portal to anywhere, BUT.... there is this one thing that makes me go "hmmmmmm....." As a kid, teenager and adult I've had a lot of experiences that might be considered "paranormal". Most of them were disturbing, but I did not feel threatened in any way other than knowing that I should not have seen or heard such things according to physics as we know them today. When I was about 16 years old, my mom thought it would be fun to buy my sister and I a Ouija board. It was a cheesy board game with a plastic piece. We had a couple of friends over and decided to play with it for a few minutes. When nothing was happening, we put it away and let it collect dust in the closet. Although nothing happened while playing with the Ouija board, I ended up having some of the most disturbing and frightful encounters in that room. I never connected these things to the Ouija board. Honestly I can't say or prove that they WERE connected to each other, but I find it a bit coincidental. Who knows...... my mind is open..... but I try not to leave it so open that my brain falls out, ya know?