Why is everyone against a national I.D.?

Most of the people on this site seem to equate a national I.D. with the NWO. Now personally I just don't see what the big deal is. I already have both a drivers liscense and a state I.D. which has my picture and is linked to my SS number so really I can't see how turning the DL into a national I.D. would make any difference. I have tried to think of reasons that a national form of I.D. would be bad and I can't come up with anything, so can anyone please explain it to me?

Originally posted by mwm1331
Most of the people on this site seem to equate a national I.D. with the NWO. Now personally I just don't see what the big deal is. I already have both a drivers liscense and a state I.D. which has my picture and is linked to my SS number so really I can't see how turning the DL into a national I.D. would make any difference. I have tried to think of reasons that a national form of I.D. would be bad and I can't come up with anything, so can anyone please explain it to me?

It seems to me the reasons are basically of religious nature and the notion of a national I.D. bearing resemblance to "the mark of the beast".

[edit on 7-10-2004 by Durden]

O.K. durden I guess that is one reason why some may oppose it, but I have also seen a lot of people who claim to have no relgious beliefs railing against national I.D.'s. Now while I can sort of understand the connection a religous fundamentalist might make between a National I.D. and "the mark of the beast" what about non-religous reasons?

Originally posted by mwm1331
Most of the people on this site seem to equate a national I.D. with the NWO. Now personally I just don't see what the big deal is. I already have both a drivers liscense and a state I.D. which has my picture and is linked to my SS number so really I can't see how turning the DL into a national I.D. would make any difference. I have tried to think of reasons that a national form of I.D. would be bad and I can't come up with anything, so can anyone please explain it to me?

It is a means of enabling centralized data banks. Presently they are
spread all over. The national I.D. is for the new search field parameter
(a simplification there are many other reasons, but still valid)
Why is that bad? Private information is private
for a reason, that is THE only way to insure it remains so.
Simply ask yourself whom do you trust?

Mockan do you relly beleve the Government can not get the same exact information on you or nybody else right now? I mean I have software which can automaticaly search the net and pull up credit, criminal and all other sorts of info on anybody and I am a private citizen. How would a national I.D. really confer any additional power?

Originally posted by mwm1331
what about non-religous reasons?

Good question... unfounded paranoia, maybe ?

O.k. durden but paranoia about what exactly?

The cards proposed for the UK will contain family history, medical history and a few other bits of info that is private.

One concern is theft of the cards, or the loss. With bank cards etc, this is not a problem, as a change of pin is all thats needed.

I will let your imagination as to what could be done with the info from the proposed ID cards.

It would be a blatent violation of State Rights and Legalese..
Can you imagine what kind of mess it would make of State legislation.
National Id's as a concept do work in certain circumstance.
Anyone who has/is a Service member of some kind has/had a
national id with indication of the type of Service they are in.

Additionally States may want one type of info on an id/dl that other
States respectfully decline from using. I.E. medical,donar,handicaps,blood type, etc.. are variable from each state and thus on a universal id may not meet the collective needs of each individual state. In summary how would compromises be drawn for each state without neglecting the needs of any other?

How about the issue of distrubution without destroying privacy of the individual? Where would people need to go to get one? U.S. mail would not be a good idea. The DL office sounds good until you have to consider that all changes there would need to be met in unison with all DL offices in the entire country.

The beastmark thing is superstitious malarky. If there was a way of incorporating all of the above without detrementalizing any other items of the above then.. perhaps with the right ways of digital/quantum communication of data *securely* and in uniform fashion.. then it may stand a chance of surfacing for such a large and complex nation...


just my 2�....

Yes, it is the fear of it becomming the mark. If it will be needed to work, then it is to be feared. If not, then it'll just be another ID.

How much did your drivers liscense cost you? Why do you think that you will not have to have one once the national id comes out....and how much will the national id cost..
and well, what will the national id have that a driver's liscense couldn't.

why heap another "necessary expense" designed to give the gov't more of our money upon the population?

Originally posted by godservant
Yes, it is the fear of it becomming the mark. If it will be needed to work, then it is to be feared. If not, then it'll just be another ID.

Can't we say this about SSN's???

I fear them for this reason... You need one to work... How come?? What if I refuse? Then I can't work?? That scares me.

National ID = bad idea.

It's just one more way for the govt to track honest people,
while the criminals get away with things. It'll be the honest
law abiding people who will use them, and it will be the
criminals who use fake ID's or steal them and thus steal
identities.

We spent one month in Bolivia. They required people to have
a national ID and even papers allowing you to travel from
one city to another. Supposedly Bolivia was a free country,
but they used the national ID to keep track of people and
the inter city papers were supposedly for the person's own
good .... to keep criminal traffic down.

I honestly don't see any positive purpose for a National ID.
However, I do see a chance for more govt spending to keep
the system up, and I do see a big chance for corruption of
that system.

How would having a national ID make it any easier to track any citizen than it already is?

It seems to me the reasons are basically of religious nature and the notion of a national I.D. bearing resemblance to "the mark of the beast".

I have heard people say that, but I'm not sure how a national ID number would be any more beast like than a social security and drivers license number. Does the bible specify that DL's and SS's are O.K. but the National ID is part of the mark of the beast?

Jemison

I dream of the day where I will get yet another ID card so that you great trusting leaders can continue to keep tabs on me and hold me on a shorter leash then the one you currently have me on.

Truelies let me put it this way, I can using a piece of software I pay 19.95 a year for, with only your name, find out your credit history, civil history, ss number, work history, criminal record, adress, phone number, purchase history etc. Me, a private citizen. Now do you really think the US government cant do at least as much? All this as a private citizen without any form of national ID. How does having a national ID make it any easier for the government to track you?

Originally posted by TrueLies

Originally posted by godservant
Yes, it is the fear of it becomming the mark. If it will be needed to work, then it is to be feared. If not, then it'll just be another ID.

Can't we say this about SSN's???

I fear them for this reason... You need one to work... How come?? What if I refuse? Then I can't work?? That scares me.

Many have said this, but you CAN work wothout an SNN.

Originally posted by dawnstar
How much did your drivers liscense cost you?

I wonder if all religious people thought it was a mark when Driver licenses first came to be

Originally posted by Kriz_4
The cards proposed for the UK will contain family history, medical history and a few other bits of info that is private.

One concern is theft of the cards, or the loss. With bank cards etc, this is not a problem, as a change of pin is all thats needed.

I will let your imagination as to what could be done with the info from the proposed ID cards.

Where there are good human beings there are bad as well. Nothing seems to be private anymore and I really don't appreciate the fact that any ole Joe can pull up credit history, etc. It would be a perfect world if these cards were used for what they are intended for - or what are they really inteneded for??? We really don't know do we? I am more worried about what it could lead into, not what is starts out to be - make sense? I have only just started to drink my coffee; just keep that in mind.