Iran lawmakers prepare to close Hormuz Strait

Originally posted by wewillnotcomply666
90% of you people are delusional. There is a 6nm wide strip up the middle of the strait that is international waters . If Iran chooses to block the straight of Hormuz , including this 6nm wide strip , they would have to either build giant blockades or use force. Either of which are going to cause violence that none of us want. all for f-ing oil. wtf

edit on 4-7-2012 by wewillnotcomply666 because: edit to add link from 2 posts above

sorry but facts are not a delusion only those who blindly believe are delusional!

Territorial context

To travel through the Strait of Hormuz, which at its narrowest is 21 nautical miles (39 km) wide, ships pass through the territorial waters of Iran and Oman under the transit passage provisions of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.[26] Neither Iran or the U.S. have ratified the convention,[27] but the U.S. accepts the traditional navigation rules as reflected in the Convention.[28] Iran has stated that it reserves "the right to require prior authorization for warships to exercise the right of innocent passage through its territorial sea."[29] It is unclear if the incident happened in the territorial waters of Iran or Oman.

from the 2008 incident ...

so, if the Iranians wanted to they could send a ship up the Mississippi River without an inspection by using your logic!

Adding to my previous post, Syria is also a Muslim country that has very liberal sharia law views, as does Iran.
Its funny how all of these countries that do have liberal Muslim laws are being targeted by Nato, just like Egypt and Libya.

reply to post by Juggernog


I thought that was odd also. Didn't Gaddafi hand out free homes before even housing his own father? So the man helps his people by providing shelter and then what? Turns around and shoots them? It doesn't make sense. But the idea of shelter being a human right sounds like something America should be doing... instead we have out of control corrupt banks screwing up the entire market and throwing us out of our house. Twilight zone much?

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by mkgandhas

 

What are your sources? I'm not sure what this has to offer to the conversation.

Numerology/Astrology is his sources He is another one of the anti US ATS member among several others from a country that is definitely not Iran or ME countries. Off lately, ATS has become a venting site for many members It seems therapeutic for them to type the same mantras over and over again which is anti US/UN/West Meanwhile the chess game continues...

get a clue , learn some religion

Unbelievers are described by Muhammad (in the Qur'an) as "the vilest of animals" and "losers." Christians and Jews are hated by Allah to the extent that they are destined for eternal doom as a result of their beliefs. It would make no sense for Muhammad to then recommend them to be taken in as friends by Muslims. In fact, the Qur'an plainly commands believers not to take unbelievers as friends.



The Qur'an:
Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

Qur'an (5:80) - "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide." Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.

Qur'an (3:28) - "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them..." This last part means that the Muslim is allowed to feign friendship if it is of benefit. Renowned scholar Ibn Kathir states that "believers are allowed to show friendship outwardly, but never inwardly."

Qur'an (3:118) - "O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people, they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand." This verse not only warns Muslims not to take non-Muslims as friends, but it establishes the deep-seated paranoia that the rest of the world is out to get them.

Qur'an (9:23) - "O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers" Even family members are not to be taken as friends if they do not accept Islam. (This is the mildest interpretation of this verse from the 9th Sura, which also advocates "slaying the unbeliever wherever ye find them").

Qur'an (53:29) - "Therefore shun those who turn away from Our Message and desire nothing but the life of this world."

Qur'an (3:85) - "And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers."

Qur'an (3:10) - "(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah, and these it is who are the fuel of the fire." Those who do not believe in Muhammad are but fuel for the fire of Hell (also 66:6, 2:24. 21:98).

Qur'an (7:44) - "The Companions of the Garden will call out to the Companions of the Fire: "We have indeed found the promises of our Lord to us true: Have you also found Your Lord's promises true?" They shall say, "Yes"; but a crier shall proclaim between them: "The curse of Allah is on the wrong-doers" Muslims in heaven will amuse themselves by looking down on non-Muslims in Hell and mocking them while they are being tortured (see 22:19-22.

Qur'an (1:5-7) - "Show us the straight path, The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray" This is a prayer that Muslims are supposed to repeat each day. "Those who earn Thine anger" specifically refers to Jews and "those who go astray" refers to Christians (see Bukhari (12:749)).




From the Hadith:
Muslim (1:417) - Taken to mean that one's own relatives should not be taken as friends if they are not Muslim.
Abu Dawud (41:4815) - "The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man follows the religion of his friend; so each one should consider whom he makes his friend."

Abu Dawud (41:4832) - The Messenger of Allah [said] "Do not keep company with anyone but a believer and do not let anyone eat your food but one who is pious."

Bukhari (59:572) - "O you who believe! Take not my enemies And your enemies as friends offering them (Your) love even though they have disbelieved in that Truth (i.e. Allah, Prophet Muhammad and this Quran) which has come to you."

Ishaq 262 - "Some Muslims remained friends with the Jews, so Allah sent down a Qur'an forbidding them to take jews as friends. From their mouths hatred has already shown itself and what they conceal is worse"

Ishaq 252 - The story of a young man who converts to Islam after hearing Muhammad. He then tells his own father that he can no longer have anything to do with him because, "I have become a Muslim and follow the religion of Muhammad." (To maintain a relationship with his son, the father "converts" as well). This is an important passage because it establishes that the principle of shunning is based merely on the status of non-Muslims as unbelievers, not on their relations toward Muslims. In this case, the father desperately loved his son and meant him no harm.

Originally posted by redneck13
Pick any country with Muslims population above 15%
I doubt if you will plan a vacation there
Keep ignoring this and the ethnic cleansing will make the holocaust look like a barroom brawl

Vacationing inUK? think again

I have no doubt that Islam is nothing more than a control mechanism just like the merry old Church of England used to be! I understand this after reading the Islamic laws at Al Sustain i's website...

when there is a religious law determine how much a woman has to pry in regards to how heavy her menstruation is ... you know it is not about religion but controlling ones life!

I agree with this view of Islam. These are dangerous times. Imagine if the Church of England; Catholic Church or others had the power of the atom in 1600? We would be living in the ruins of an atomic holocaust in the name of Gaud!

reply to post by Lannister


Gadaffi had a huge social program in Libya, one that actually worked. It was considered one of the most prosperous countries in Africa, by some people
Look up what he did for the people when he funded the huge man made lake in his country.
If this same pattern keeps up, Jordan is next.

Originally posted by Juggernog
Adding to my previous post, Syria is also a Muslim country that has very liberal sharia law views, as does Iran.
Its funny how all of these countries that do have liberal Muslim laws are being targeted by Nato, just like Egypt and Libya.

To start the next world war these moderates must be overthrown so radicals will start the next war making profits for the bankers and military industrial arms complex worldwide....

Originally posted by fnpmitchreturns

Originally posted by redneck13
Pick any country with Muslims population above 15%
I doubt if you will plan a vacation there
Keep ignoring this and the ethnic cleansing will make the holocaust look like a barroom brawl

Vacationing inUK? think again

I have no doubt that Islam is nothing more than a control mechanism just like the merry old Church of England used to be! I understand this after reading the Islamic laws at Al Sustain i's website...

when there is a religious law determine how much a woman has to pry in regards to how heavy her menstruation is ... you know it is not about religion but controlling ones life!

I agree with this view of Islam. These are dangerous times. Imagine if the Church of England; Catholic Church or others had the power of the atom in 1600? We would be living in the ruins of an atomic holocaust in the name of Gaud!

Yes islam is still in the 1600's

Originally posted by Xcathdra
Originally posted by Lannister
reply to
Just as people like to make the comment that Russia / China will protect Iran, the US will proteect Israel and our other allies in theregion. The mindset that its ok for Russia to protect their allies but not the US is ridiculous.

Havn't you seen these types of responses before? All pretty much anti US/UN/EU/West comments from folks who think it would actually make a difference by typing their 2 cents on ATS. I gave up on such comments as they're nothing more than waste of time to even respond

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by Xcathdra
Originally posted by Lannister
reply to post by redneck13
Just as people like to make the comment that Russia / China will protect Iran, the US will proteect Israel and our other allies in theregion. The mindset that its ok for Russia to protect their allies but not the US is ridiculous.

Havn't you seen these types of responses before?

All pretty much anti US/UN/EU/West comments from folks who think it would actually make a difference by typing their 2 cents on ATS. I gave up on such comments as they're nothing more than waste of time to even respond

edit on 5-7-2012 by hp1229 because: (no reason given)

I guess you are right the people that make a difference are not the majority of ATS.
Its amazing how you read the programed response of insults and name calling
Those people should stop to think who or what is responsible for their pre-programed responses
What sort of sheeple are these?
Off to work now, I am getting tired of this

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by Xcathdra
Originally posted by Lannister
reply to
Just as people like to make the comment that Russia / China will protect Iran, the US will proteect Israel and our other allies in theregion. The mindset that its ok for Russia to protect their allies but not the US is ridiculous.

Havn't you seen these types of responses before?

All pretty much anti US/UN/EU/West comments from folks who think it would actually make a difference by typing their 2 cents on ATS. I gave up on such comments as they're nothing more than waste of time to even respond

edit on 5-7-2012 by hp1229 because: (no reason given)

edit on 5-7-2012 by hp1229 because: (no reason given)

Yes because being anti war while being pro US is being anti US. I don't support 10 more years of endless war?! ANTI AMERICAN!

Nice logic.

reply to post by redneck13

precisely...thanks for the pic...gave me a good chuckle after reading additional comments from the anti usuals

Originally posted by Submarines
At least they can try to close it.

It won't be closed for long.

Yes, apparently Iranian lawmakers need a reality check.

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I'm guessing the Iranian military is asking questions right now.

- Shutdown the Strait of Hormuz?...........Okay, for how long? -

- BTW, we are not a superpower. We will be 80% destroyed in about 2 weeks. -

Originally posted by hp1229
reply to post by redneck13

 

precisely...thanks for the pic...gave me a good chuckle after reading additional comments from the anti usuals

How dare I not support endless war I must be anti american! I use mindless logic to laugh at people that have an opinion I love being scammed by my government while being a useless sheep I support the troops because I put a bumper sticker on my car

I do not see a lessening of religious freedom in the US, seems more like a certain religion trying to get the government to conform to it's ideals.

The last think I want to hear is Congress members talking in terms of religion in their decision making.

The mid east is all about the flow of oil and assuring that the governments of countries allow it as the US believes it should.

Originally posted by Lannister

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by Xcathdra
Originally posted by Lannister
reply to
Just as people like to make the comment that Russia / China will protect Iran, the US will proteect Israel and our other allies in theregion. The mindset that its ok for Russia to protect their allies but not the US is ridiculous.

Havn't you seen these types of responses before?

All pretty much anti US/UN/EU/West comments from folks who think it would actually make a difference by typing their 2 cents on ATS. I gave up on such comments as they're nothing more than waste of time to even respond

edit on 5-7-2012 by hp1229 because: (no reason given)

edit on 5-7-2012 by hp1229 because: (no reason given)

Yes because being anti war while being pro US is being anti US. I don't support 10 more years of endless war?! ANTI AMERICAN!Nice logic.

That logic is part of the reason you are where you are in the US (if you're a US citizen). Idealism doesn't really exist in Politics. Common now The gameplan has been laid out long time ago and even the Russians and Chinese know the moves very well and do you think they care about any of the ME countries? Everyone looks out for their own national interests.

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by Lannister

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by Xcathdra
Originally posted by Lannister
reply to
Just as people like to make the comment that Russia / China will protect Iran, the US will proteect Israel and our other allies in theregion. The mindset that its ok for Russia to protect their allies but not the US is ridiculous.

Havn't you seen these types of responses before?

All pretty much anti US/UN/EU/West comments from folks who think it would actually make a difference by typing their 2 cents on ATS. I gave up on such comments as they're nothing more than waste of time to even respond

edit on 5-7-2012 by hp1229 because: (no reason given)

edit on 5-7-2012 by hp1229 because: (no reason given)

Yes because being anti war while being pro US is being anti US. I don't support 10 more years of endless war?! ANTI AMERICAN!Nice logic.

That logic is part of the reason you are where you are in the US (if you're a US citizen). Idealism doesn't really exist in Politics. Common now

The gameplan has been laid out long time ago and even the Russians and Chinese know the moves very well and do you think they care about any of the ME countries? Everyone looks out for their own national interests.

Seriously dude do you get off on posting this garbage? Yes everyone looks out for their own national interests BUT the US but when someone calls a spade a spade all of a sudden CONSPIRACY THEORIST ANTI AMERICAN! Common now. Do we need more laughing emots?

Originally posted by Lannister

Originally posted by hp1229
reply to post by redneck13

 

precisely...thanks for the pic...gave me a good chuckle after reading additional comments from the anti usuals

How dare I not support endless war I must be anti american!

I use mindless logic to laugh at people that have an opinion

I love being scammed by my government while being a useless sheep

I support the troops because I put a bumper sticker on my car

Glad you're laughing out loud for a change. What difference did you make with your belief system? Any?

Originally posted by Lannister

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by Lannister

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by Xcathdra
Originally posted by Lannister
reply to
Just as people like to make the comment that Russia / China will protect Iran, the US will proteect Israel and our other allies in theregion. The mindset that its ok for Russia to protect their allies but not the US is ridiculous.

Havn't you seen these types of responses before?

All pretty much anti US/UN/EU/West comments from folks who think it would actually make a difference by typing their 2 cents on ATS. I gave up on such comments as they're nothing more than waste of time to even respond

edit on 5-7-2012 by hp1229 because: (no reason given)

edit on 5-7-2012 by hp1229 because: (no reason given)

Yes because being anti war while being pro US is being anti US. I don't support 10 more years of endless war?! ANTI AMERICAN!Nice logic.

That logic is part of the reason you are where you are in the US (if you're a US citizen). Idealism doesn't really exist in Politics. Common now

The gameplan has been laid out long time ago and even the Russians and Chinese know the moves very well and do you think they care about any of the ME countries? Everyone looks out for their own national interests.

Seriously dude do you get off on posting this garbage? Yes everyone looks out for their own national interests BUT the US but when someone calls a spade a spade all of a sudden CONSPIRACY THEORIST ANTI AMERICAN! Common now. Do we need more laughing emots?

Sure. Just the way you post the same garbage and get off too If it helps your rhetoric, sure use as many emots
Calling someone a spade isn't wrong but it seems its one sided. But its your opinion.