Should the UN go away?

Does the UN have any relevance in the world today? It seems that it is a huge waste of money and resources for all of the countries that are part of it. How many resolutions did Iraq violate after the first Gulf War? How many pockets did Saddam grease to get the UN to turn its back? How many times has the US (and other countries) used UN policies to justify sanctions or actions and then act without UN approval?

What would the world be like without the UN? Would there be mass chaos?

I would say a resounding yes!

So if something is not working that well, you should dump it rather than trying to make it better?

Great plan.

Surf

Originally posted by surfup
So if something is not working that well, you should dump it rather than trying to make it better?

Great plan.

Surf

50 years of not working speaks for itself.

It doesn't really matter whether it should go away or not....it is largely, even if it wasn't previously, becoming irrelevant. And soon will take it�s rightful place next to the league of nations.

Originally posted by edsinger
50 years of not working speaks for itself.

not working is somewhat of a relative term my friend. Try and look at it from a optimistic view.

If everyone was for himself, then the entire world would be dying right now.

Do have any idea how many lives have spared because of their aid programs? Or do have any idea how many wars have been prevented because of that one council?

I don't think you do. Next time please have some facts along with your opinions.

Surf

Surf,

Speaking of facts do you have any links for all of the many wars prevented? Again links to why the whole world would be dying? Any links to how the UN forced nations to help?

If it wasn't for the UN we wouldn't be here. It was an avenue for diplomacy during that lovely time period in our history known as the Cold War. The way the US is going I have a feeling we may need it again in the near future.

We have the UN to thank for are being here?

I hope this is a joke

I say kick the U.N. out of the U.S. They think everyone should be held to answer to them. There are U.N. troops running around on US soil. When I ask about it, they say they are training in our country. Well dont they have dirt to train on in their country? The U.N. is a threat to US Sovreignty. They even have a huge building on prime New York real estate! I don't even know what point I am coming to any more... But I say ditch the UN before it is too late. I'm sure many of the UN countries hate our guts anyways. It was George Washington who said in his farewell address that "The US should steer clear from permanent alliances with any nations".

I say the G-7 nations breakawy from the U.N. and let them fend for themselves. They rely much to heavily on the United States and our Allies for support, when they don't really appreciate any of the help we give them!

Maybe they'll be able to get off of their duffs and break a sweat if they want to get ahead!

The League of Nations (the old UN between WW1 and WW2) fell apart when it failed to stop Mussolini and the Italians running all over Abyssinia (ethiopia today). Well I say "fall apart" all the delegates asked themselves "if we cant agree to stop mussolini from just reaching out and annexing places what are we doing here?!?!".

We are lucky the same didn't happen when the US went into Iraq... but we now face the same issue... who will do something to stop these rouge nations US and Israel who regularly give the UN a finger and do what they damn well feel like anyway?

Originally posted by keholmes
rightful place next to the league of nations.

Yeah Bush is Mussolini incarnate!! The little toe-rag!
Iraq is Abyssinia and well that makes Bush the anti-chist: Check this...


Rastafarians believe Haile-Sallassi the king of abyssinia fighting agains t the italians (spelling?) is the second coming of christ. Making mussolini the anti-christ by definition, and well i just suggested Bush was Mussolini... i think you can make the last link here...

You want to get rid of UNICEF, who helps children around the world?

You want to get rid of UNMOVIC, who it seems did manage to keep Saddam's weapons programs in check?

You want to get rid of the IAEA, who works to monitor nuclear programs around the world and attempts to prevent nuclear proliferation? Who would you replace them with?

You want to get rid of the World Health Organization, that tries to eliminate disease around the world?

How about the World Food Program, who provides food to refugees and victims of natural disasters?
Do you think the US should take over their responsibilities?

How about ILO - International Labour Organization, FAO - Food and Agriculture Organization, UNESCO - United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization?

Do you think the US should take over all of the programs that the UN currently runs or should they all be abandoned?

I think the UN could be a great stablizing force in the world but not in its present form.

The answer? I dont really know. One thing I do know is it should be the UN not the USA playing police man around the world but the way it is set up pretty much prevents that.

Originally posted by AceOfBase
You want to get rid of UNICEF, who helps children around the world?

You want to get rid of UNMOVIC, who it seems did manage to keep Saddam's weapons programs in check?

You want to get rid of the IAEA, who works to monitor nuclear programs around the world and attempts to prevent nuclear proliferation? Who would you replace them with?

You want to get rid of the World Health Organization, that tries to eliminate disease around the world?

How about the World Food Program, who provides food to refugees and victims of natural disasters?
Do you think the US should take over their responsibilities?

How about ILO - International Labour Organization, FAO - Food and Agriculture Organization, UNESCO - United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization?

Do you think the US should take over all of the programs that the UN currently runs or should they all be abandoned?

Whoever asked me for links, here you go.

The UN is great for feeding oppressed peoples. America is great for killing the oppressers! The UN is great for complaining when America kill oppressers. America is great for ignoring the whiny UN. The UN is great for accepting illegal bribes. America is great for pretending the UN has relevance today. Americas veto power within the UN is one of the few good things about the UN.

US vetoes against absolutely ridiculous resolutions

Originally posted by verfed
US vetoes against absolutely ridiculous resolutions

Yes those are some ridiculous resolutions.

Like this one here:
On the killing by Israeli forces of several UN employees and the destruction of the World Food Programme (WFP) warehouse

How dare they try to condemn Israel for killing a few UN employees and destroying a WFP warehouse. They should know Israel is allowed to kill whosever they feel like killing and destroy whatever building they feel like destroying.

Originally posted by Amuk
I think the UN could be a great stablizing force in the world but not in its present form.

The answer? I dont really know. One thing I do know is it should be the UN not the USA playing police man around the world but the way it is set up pretty much prevents that.

/me runs over to Amuk and gives him a warm hug

Thanks!

Can you defend anymore of those absolutely ridiculous resolutions AceOfBase? Do you acknowledge the fact that only Egypt has agreed that Israel has the right to exist? Anwar Sadat was assasinated for his crime of signing a peace treaty with Israel. All the other arab nations are in a constant state of war with Israel. The "palestinians" want a state IN PLACE of Israel not next to Israel. In 56 years of war with the Arabs it is expected that some innocents will be killed. Why doesn't Jordan, Syria, Lebenon, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Iran take in their fellow Muslim brothers? Why don't they allow the "palestinians" to imigrate? Why don't they get them jobs and homes and food? Why do the Arabs insist on using the "palestintian refugees" as a tool to bring international condemnation on Israel for fighting terrorism? The UN has no business in Israel. Let the Muslims feed themselves if they love themselves so much. If Israel was out of the picture the Muslims would be killing eachother a lot more then they already are now.