Doggerland "Found. Interesting Topic Of Lost Land In Northern Europe.

I have posted a link to an article on the BBC Website, Scientists have spent 15 years putting together research of a lost land mass in Northern Europe. Here is the link:-

www.bbc.co.uk...

They should be able to do the same for other regions of the globe would have thought.

reply to post by alldaylong


Very interesting reading. I have already linked to this in a separate thread but in all honesty thanks because i think this deserves its own thread!

Whilst this was the result of long standing academic research, it is interesting that a lot of info was gleaned from the oil and gas companies! About time they did something useful for a change.........

I am adding this link to the university concerned......

Discovering Drowned Doggerland

And they have oil companies to thank for this?

Originally posted by CynicalDrivel
And they have oil companies to thank for this?

Yes, using all the oil / gas exploration data compiled from surveys of the North Sea.

Personally, i think we should be petitioning all the major oil / gas exploration companies for all of their topographical data too - may get an awful lot of info of potential sites "out there" (duh duh duh).

Oh! Wow!

That is a large amount of extra land.

Now if the German's can tax this land, we have the answer to the Euro crisis! Ha ha.

Seriously, although this was a little obvious ( The land bridge between France and the UK and the shallow depth of a lot of the North Sea, with it's hints of Doggerland, have pointed to this for some time.), it is a great new area for research.

Strangely, this morning on Radio 4 there was a programme about trackways, etc, where Doggerland was mentioned. There being "Brushway" that runs out from Essex into the sea and returns to land further north.

I hope that the original post inspires those interested to go out and do some exploring/research.

Great post.

reply to post by dowot


Doggerland...........Essex..........bush..........

Fairly sure there is a joke there somewhere!

We have known about Doggerland for a long time now but this research adds more substance to what was basically a lot of supposition. Obviously though, far more research is needed.

Sorry to spoil the joke, Flavian, but my mistake, it is the "Broom" way....

Just listened again to the 15 min broadcast, and the way starts at Wakering Stairs.

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Oh, i don't know Dowot.......

Feeling rather like Finbarr Saunders today to be honest. Fnarr! Fnarr! Qwark Qwark!

Ha ha. Flavian.

Completely off topic, but reading of the history of the area, and especially that of Wakerling Stairs, I came across a report of 3 deaths. Nothing suspicious in that, just in the handling and resultant enquiry.

hansard.millbanksystems.com...

Reading it, it just proves how capable ministers are of being able to absolve themselves and others around them of any responsibility.

Note how the numbers involved shrunk from 70 to only 4, and how little interest was shown by the military, who it would seem could have used radar, informed local police or even called upon nearby shipping and coastguard to save the 3, in a more timely fashion.

Which made me think of the recent Barclays/RBS revelations and how ministers want to set up an enquiry.

reply to post by alldaylong


The really interesting part will be to find where a lake existed in that former land and get core samples - now that would be interesting.

reply to post by Hanslune


A very interesting thought that.

Bogs, on land turn up some fantastic stuff, preserved in the damp yet oxygen-less (?) conditions, which I suppose would be maintained if under the sea.

Suppose a good survey would pin point suitable areas for such locations.

That, of course, is why the oil companies records could be so useful, BP now is your chance to redeem yourselves.

The other places to look would be beside rivers I guess and maybe high ground for stone or wood henges. Now that would be a find, mid north sea henge!

The most interesting and potentially important discovery to go with this study is that they have found possible standing stones, settlements and burial sites, which if true would mean a reasonably advanced society inhabited the area (and the rest of Europe by association) at least 7,500 years ago and probably even older (as that date is when the last of the hills where submerged)....

Originally posted by Hanslune
reply to post by alldaylong

 

The really interesting part will be to find where a lake existed in that former land and get core samples - now that would be interesting.

If I was to hazard a guess, a good place to look, for starters, would be somewhere between the mouths of the Rhine and the Thames

reply to post by stumason


Given recent finds in the Vale of Pickering of hunter-gatherer structures and burials dating from 9,000 years ago, it is apparent that humans moved back into the area as soon as the glaciers had receded and that Dogger Bank must have provided a rich hunting ground and or, opened up a migratory path for their prey.

www.yorkarchaeology.co.uk...

york.academia.edu... ckering

www.prehistory.yas.org.uk...

dro.dur.ac.uk...

Evidence suggests that whoever used the Vale of Pickering used it seasonally, the area at that time would have been tundra like. Standing stone sites on the Doggerbank may be indicative of communal meeting places for those peoples. Very interesting indeed.

It is a great pity that the exhibition wasn't more widely publicised earlier, I would have popped down to see it. Too late to get the time off work now though

I love topics like this. I mean, it's like my dad always says: There may be hundreds(or even thousands) of lost civilizations buried under millions of years of sand or snow or geographical changes we haven't even THOUGHT about!

To me, it's extremely exciting. Who knows what technological advances they had before it was lost? Exciting stuff!

Hi there everyone. I'm new to this site but had to look see if there was a thread on Doggerland; there were a few (not surprised really). I've done a fair amount of research on this & it is a topic that is nothing short of fascinating. Points of particular interest are this:-

1. The peoples of Doggerland would have been the Maglemosians (hunter gatherers) just before the introduction of agriculture to Europe & just before the majority of it disappearing due to rising seas. They will have domesticated the dog.

2. Doggerland would have been a low-lying basin surrounded by highlands (Britain, The Netherlands, Denmark & Norway appearing as distant mountainous lands to the East, South & West) with many river systems, the large silver pit lake, wetlands & marshes & would have been an ideal fertile land for hunting aurochs, red & roe deer, wild boar etc (not to mention an ideal fishing resort). Some scientists claim it would have been nothing short of a paradise & a place where many bands & tribes would have gathered (due to its relative central location) Festivals etc. would have assured that Doggerland was perhaps a fertile breeding ground for the Maglemosians possibly assuring a diverse gene pool. Dogger Hills to the far North of Doggerland was the highest point of Doggerland & is now called Dogger Bank; fishermen still find it a dangerous part of the North Sea because some ships have 'ran aground' at Doggerbank.

3. Doggerland was mostly submerged after the Storegga Slide off the coast of Norway (around 6100 BC). This caused a mega tsunami that could have reached 10-15m high once it reached the ill-fated land. This most certainly swallowed up a large bulk of the landmass leaving possibly the Dogger Hills that was slowly engulfed over centuries of steadily rising sea levels. People have considered that the possible survivors (or relatives of the peoples of Doggerland that suddenly disappeared) were boat people who traded in amber across Europe & could well have been the origin of the Greek Underworld & the Hel (or Niflheim) of the Norse. A once paradise land that suddenly disappeared beneath the waves? All speculation of course, but what fascinating speculation.
4. It is possible that Dogger Hills may well have survived a millennia or 2 beyond the megatsunami & will have been a pretty treacherous, wet & dank place to live. Maybe there is some truth to the Hel link & Doggerland after all.

I have to admit I did a lot of this research after deciding to write a story about Hell on Earth in our distant pasts. I was looking at Thule as the possible 'culprit' (which I now believe was Iceland) & was convinced through reading ancient descriptions of Hades that it was once an actual real place that has now vanished & has all manner of negative connotations tacked to it due to its unpleasant end. A fellow called called Abremelin in the Unexplained Mysteries Discussions Forum is meticulous in his research & has done a lot to attempt to put the pieces together himself on the Dogegrland thread there. I take my hat off to him.

reply to post by TaranEerie


Good to see someone else who is very interested in this topic.

Just have to say though i slightly disagree with point 3 that you raised in that the Storegga slide was responsible for the final submergence of Doggerland, rather than for the majority of submergence. This process actually began around 18'000 BC with the melting of the ice sheets. The Storegga slide breached the final land barriers, allowing for the ingress of the sea.

It is very interesting (to me anyway) that Doggerland contained a super river - the confluence of the Rhine and the Thames. This appears to have met in fairly central ground in Doggerland. My bet is this would an amazing area for archeological research, once the technology is sufficiently advanced.

reply to post by Flavian


Hi Flavian - Yes, I actually quite agree with you that the Storegga Slide wasn't responsible for the total submergence of Doggerland & didn't state this in my post. I think that point is quite clear due to the Dogger Hills still only now being submerged by so many meters of ocean over 8,000 years later. The sea has been slowly rising to engulf Doggerland (& quite possibly the larger land masses surrounding the coasts of Britain) for millions of years. The Storegga Slide will have been an event that engulfed a great deal of the land in a very short period of time. Pre-Storegga Slide, the population would have visibly seen the rising ocean encroaching on their favorite fishing spots along these vast river systems you mentioned. I would even reaffirm that I believe a small population of survivors will have remained there possibly up until 4,000 BCE; perhaps even escaped the undoubtedly now miserable, cold, wet, possibly treeless conditions of the island. I even believe somewhere there exists a map of Hades superimposed over what the oil company (BP?) discovered in their basic topography of the North Sea bed. Wild speculations but a possibility nonetheless.