Olympic Athlete Claims Blacks are superior to Whites

reply to post by Strakha


I've actually read about the Chinese doing a lot of cheating...both in the Bejing Olympics and just overall.

The Chinese desire to win at all costs has created a culture of rampant cheating among athletes, including one team of men who donned wigs to compete in a female dragon boat race, according to a report by sports officials.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

The whole idea of this makes me feel icky....like talking about someone behind their back while
they are standing in the room...I hate that

But I do believe that our racial differences predispose us to certain abilities.

It's funny how you can be labeled a racist for saying something like that and not really have an
argument to defend yourself, even though you know that you aren't fearful, ignorant, or hateful
towards any human as a consequence of skin color....except blue people...if I saw somebody
that was blue, I think I would be afraid of them

reply to post by Mimir

I'm also not certain I ever seen a black endurance race runner, why is that? (Marathon aint "real" endurance racing)

Really? Ever here of the Kenyans?

Marathon Records by country.

Progression of World Records: Keep in mind the African countries did not start competing until later, but the last 4 world records on that list are Kenya and Ethiopia.

2012 Boston Marathon Results

Top 5, Boston Marahton 2012, men
1. Wesley Korir, Kenya, 2:12:40
2. Levy Matebo, Kenya, 2:13:06
3. Bernard Kipyego, Kenya, 2:13:13
4. Jason Hartmann, USA, 2:14:31
5. Wilson Chebet, Kenya, 2:14:56

Top 5, Boston Marahton 2012, women
1. Sharon Cherop, Kenya, 2:31:50
2. Jemima Jelagat Sumgong, Kenya, 2:31:52
3. Georgina Rono, Kenya, 2:33:09
4. Firehiwot Dado, Ethiopia, 2:34:56
5. Diana Sigei, Kenya, 2:35:40

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by antonia

 

I have to completely disagree.

There is a 4 year old girl that comes to my house every weekend, her mother and father are both athletes, and she is just amazingly athletic completely naturally. She climbs the rock walls better than the boys, she can do a handstand, she can cross the cross bars, when she grabs the sliding door to open it, people stop and look at the muscles in her back. One day a couple of people noticed her muscular back and legs, and they had her opening and closing the door in amazement.

Initial ability and final ability are not correlated. You anecdote is not scientific and you know that. There are many athletic couples who do not have athletic children.

Also, if you look at the body type, Just in general, a lot of black women have long legs, a tilted pelvis, large gluteus muscles, very lean build, etc. A lot of black men that have never touched a weight in their life still have large pectoral and tricep muscles.

Considering most black women in this country are obese I would be inclined to disagree with you. There are plenty of white women who have the same body shape.

I know plenty of Olympic and Professional caliber athletes that do not have their kids in any organized sports, yet the kids are naturally athletic anyway, and I know plenty of parents that push their kids into organized sports, with expensive trainers from very early ages, and they are still just average. Genetics plays a huge role.

The science on the issue says something else. Furthermore, it's not enough to say "they are athletic". You need to present some hard data. Genetics is a crapshoot at times. Just because you mate two tall people or two fast people doesn't mean you are going to get another tall or fast person.

reply to post by JailTales


I know, but they are black if that is the right word... They have the same traits either way.

The problem is blacks were not the only people enslaved. Europeans have been enslaving each other for thousands of years. Arabs and Asians the same. I'm sure the living conditions in ancient Rome as a slave were much worse than sitting in the heat picking cotton. What happend in early America has happend throughout the entire world and the only reason why it was accepted is because it was indeed the norm.

reply to post by GeorgiaGirl


Cheating is actually one thing most nations have in common at the Olympics. Fortunately the measures in place to catch cheats are better these days than they have been in the past. It would be wrong to attribute China's medal tally and achievement of winning the most gold medals last Olympics to cheating. The main reasons would have been desire to win and endless hours of training.

thats no supprise chimps are physically superior to white people too for anyone to say we are all equal is just insane every race has something there the best at example: blacks have athletice chineese have math whites have war and power mexicans havewell im sure theres something for everyone

Originally posted by Hess88
Ok this is my first thread hope it isnt my last (hey mods)

I saw this a couple of days ago on another forum the debate got very interesting then it was removed
before I go on I would like to ask all who post to remember the forum rules this is not about hate I am interested in the views of other ATS members

Ok here is the original article from the Mail Online

Olympic legend Michael Johnson says a ‘superior athletic gene’ in the descendants of West African slaves means black American and Caribbean sprinters will command the sport at the London Games. The Olympic gold medallist and BBC commentator said: ‘Over the last few years, athletes of Afro- Caribbean and Afro-American descent have dominated athletics finals. ‘It’s a fact that hasn’t been discussed openly before. It’s a taboo subject in the States but it is what it is. Why shouldn’t we discuss it?’

Now if we can all be civilized and remain polite and respectful I cant see any reason why it shouldnt be discussed

Some scientists believe a combination of selective breeding by slave owners and appalling conditions meant that only the strongest slaves endured, creating a group predisposed to record-breaking athletic performance.

I really dont understand what use running fast would be to a slave owner but maybee someone here does

Michael seems to think it was only blacks that where used as slaves maybe he should read some of the books listed below

- White Gold: The Extraordinary Story of Thomas Pellow and North Africa's One Million European Slaves
- The Stolen Village: Baltimore and the Barbary Pirates
- To Hell or Barbados: The Ethnic Cleansing of Ireland
- White Cargo: The Forgotten History of Britain's White Slaves in America
- They Were White and They Were Slaves: The Untold History of the Enslavement of Whites in Early America

I really would like to have a discussion about this without the usually silly name calling and pointless remarks
thanks

Thanks for being brave enough to bring up the topic. Hopefully, this thread will not devolve into a stupid, name-calling hate-fest. And thanks for bringing up the topic of non-Black slaves.

I agree with Michael Johnson. To me his observation is common sense. Why some would consider this opinion "politically incorrect" puzzles me. The opinion is NOT insulting to Blacks.

The reason "New World" European colonists imported slaves from Africa started with an impassioned plea from a Spanish Catholic priest trying to save what was left of a nearly decimated Amer-Indian tribe (I believe it was the Taino of the Caribbean).

The Taino were nearly extinct within 60 years of the Spanish Conquest, so severe the depredations of the Spanish were. The Taino tribe went extinct anyway. Their genes survive in descendants of mixed blood. (There was plenty of rape.)

He urged the importation of Black Africans, who were considered a much hardier, physically stronger people than the Native Americans.

What played out in the New World for the Black African slaves was Darwinian "survival of the fittest."

Black American athletes seem to dominate US pro sports.

It seems like someone may be a little butt-hurt about the whole idea of being less superior at something than a black man. We must be reminded that running 100-meters is not really a big deal.

first person to break the 4 minute mile was a englishman, also swimming is a sport tht requires massive fitness at the highest levels, best swimmers tend to be white.
The genes for athleticism are in both races, the just show up in different events in different people.
If blacks were better at everything athletic, across the board, i would agree with him, but, they excel at a few events, in the same way whites excel at a few events.

reply to post by antonia

The science on the issue says something else. Furthermore, it's not enough to say "they are athletic". You need to present some hard data.

The Hard Data is pretty easy to find. List of World Records for Outdoor Athletics

Keep in mind, in addition to the Kenyans and Ethiopians that are obviously black, a lot of the US and European athletes listed in those records are also black.

Obvious is obvious. The data is there.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

So much of what you point out has simply to do with availability of the sport. Hockey is far more popular in places like Canada, where it is mostly white.

Not a lot of youth hockey being played in africa....

But, given equal access and coaching, I believe there is a clear genetic advantage for a black kid over a white kid. Of course there are exceptions, but it is what it is.

Bobby Bowden was a wonderful and beloved coach, but the main thing he originally did as a trendsetter was recruiting black athletes. Look at college football now! The sports that are dominated by white kids are sports where black kids have limited access. Give them equal access and opportunity and they will dominate the sport.

Not completely true.

Football (or soccer) is probably the most accessible sport in all the of the world. It's played on every contintent and is cheap to be involved with. I know people from all classes that play it in England.

Yet, The best players on the planet Messi, Ronaldo, Xavi, Iniesta, Pirlo, Gomez, Schweinsteiger, Ribery, Robben, Van Persie etc etc.. you get the picture are not black.

Don't get me wrong there are tons of great black players but they don't dominate.

African teams never perform well at the World Cup. Why?? Maybe they don't have the same facilities and have an equal pegging??? Not quite. Most of them play for European clubs and have the same opportunities as white players.

So your theory doesn't really apply to everything.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by antonia

 

The science on the issue says something else. Furthermore, it's not enough to say "they are athletic". You need to present some hard data.

The Hard Data is pretty easy to find. List of World Records for Outdoor Athletics

Keep in mind, in addition to the Kenyans and Ethiopians that are obviously black, a lot of the US and European athletes listed in those records are also black.

Obvious is obvious. The data is there.

No, it's not. Firstly, blacks in the U.S. are not equal genetically to blacks in Africa. They are generally mixed and there is plenty of European "blood" in them. The biggest problem is you have no hard data. It is not enough to say "black" or "white", you need to show the actual DNA. As I said before it's not about race, it's about single human phenotype and you would be surprised to know this is carried across races.

reply to post by Bridge_Boy


These are all generalizations, of course they don't apply to everything all the time, but there is definitely an overwhelming amount of practical evidence out there to show black people are naturally more athletic.

Who was the greatest soccer player ever?
Pele was black.

reply to post by antonia


I think you are just being intentionally obtuse now. Why do we need to look at their DNA, if we can look at their physical appearance and see obviously that they have African or Caribbean backgrounds?

Really, what you are saying probably supports my argument more than yours. For those that are obviously black, we don't need DNA, but for those white athletes that are the anomalies, maybe we should look at their DNA and see if they have some African or Caribbean roots?

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by antonia

 

I think you are just being intentionally obtuse now. Why do we need to look at their DNA, if we can look at their physical appearance and see obviously that they have African or Caribbean backgrounds?

Because race does not dictate phenotype. Appearance is not evidence of it. The other problem is many black people in the U.S. are so mixed they may have dark skin but be pretty far removed from their African roots.

, maybe we should look at their DNA and see if they have some African or Caribbean roots?

Everyone has African roots, that's where we evolved. I'm not being obtuse, you just don't understand how DNA works.

reply to post by getreadyalready


Depends who you ask I suppose....

Pele - Black
Maradonna - White
Ronaldo (Brazil) - Black
Zidane - White

I know you are generalising, I was just trying to show that this sport is played all over the world (even in America now!), it's accessed by all walks of life and blacks don't dominate.

Maybe because there is more to this sport than just sheer athleticism? I don't know.

Everyone has African roots, that's where we evolved. I'm not being obtuse, you just don't understand how DNA works.



Depends on who you ask on here. Some say we're Annunaki Hybrids and didn't come from Africa at all

It has nothing to do with slavery. People with more recent African decent evolved in a harsh climate where physical strength and speed means the difference between life and death. Neither race is superior to another. They just have varying attributes based on the climates they have lived in over the past 50,000-100,000 years or so. Slavery wasn't nearly long enough to cause noticeable changes in physical strength.. at least as far as we know.