Waldo Canyon Fire UFO

Originally posted by LightAssassin
reply to post by FlySolo

 

If he faked it he did this:

Recorded the footage on his DVR.
Uploaded to his computer.
CGI'd it.
Downloaded to his DVR.
Replayed footage while recording on handicam/phone.

Then of course.....he didn't fake it. It is real.

O.R.I.G.I.N.A.L. F.O.O.T.A.G.E and/or Multiple video eyewitnesses of this breaking news report.

edit on 2-7-2012 by LightAssassin because: (no reason given)

Why does he have to upload it to the DVR?

Couldn't he simply:
1. Record his blank tv screen from his phone.
2. Upload to computer
3. CGI the original news footage and add his UFO to the blank screen .


Or
1. CGI the original footage with no UFO and add his UFO to the footage.
2. Create a CGI effect like he is browsing on his DVR when reality he is not and pre-append it to the video created in step 1.
3. Video tape the cgi video from his phone.


A lot of work but doable I would think, and many other ways of doing it I'm sure? On the good part it should be easily proven a hoax once it goes viral and the news station confirms the original footage?

reply to post by TKDRL


You would have to somehow import all the data such as show time, title etc in the same format the DVR platform is designed in. Probably C++. Overwrite the existing recorded show with the hoaxed version and place it all a back in the exact same format the DVR is able to recognize without errors. It wouldn't even be downloading, more like complete DVR hacking. Next to impossible.

reply to post by interupt42


You would have to understand the DVR operating system to do any of that. Practically re-write it just to have it display the way it did. Not likely

reply to post by Zcustosmorum


I don't understand what you are getting at. The short answer is, without completely hacking the DVR operating system, no. You can not simply "upload" your hoax to a DVR replacing the allocated memory yet keep all the same program attributes. Time, title, date, etc.

reply to post by Zcustosmorum


Just stop, you only look foolish for saying the same thing over and over again. Your explanation of a reflection on the screen is wrong, as well as the one that somehow it's difficult to upload a video from cell phone to youtube. Smartphones can have youtube apps where you can immediately record a video and upload it. Is there DVR technology in Scotland because it seems you're confused about the concept in general.

Originally posted by Zcustosmorum
According to this guy, it's CGI and he contacted the T.V. network regarding it:

www.facebook.com...

I was asked by several subscribers to look into the Waldo Canyon Fire UFO, well I downloaded the footage and put it through some pro software I have, and I am convinced this is CGI. I also contacted the Newschannel 13 Director who kindly replied and confirmed my suspicions that the footage has indeed been manipulated. The guy in question who posted the footage to YT, uploaded the event from a recording he made from his TV. He could easily have transferred the original footage to his PC and uploaded the raw footage, but he didn't. Now you know why.

Now get over this piece of sh~t video and go and find some better evidence because this one stunk from the first time it was shown.

This is laughable as well, you used something from a crappy facebook group from the UK to try and prove your argument. What are the credentials of this group other then their name?

This guy supposedly had "pro software" but he doesn't say what it was he used.

I can tell he lied about contacting the news station because the channel in question isn't called Newschannel 13, the channel uses call signs, in this case its KDVR or Fox (kdvr.com... is their website)

Also, what's the name of director? (I was unaware any news channel had directors, I know of Producers)

For someone claiming things hurt ufology you sure aren't helping by not asking simple questions that should be asked, and giving us no real evidence or even a halfway decent argument to back up your claims. You've only been giving us opinions.

Some advice too, use sarcasm and emotes sparingly, you're only making yourself look like an arrogant ass. Made me look into your posts closer and now I know for sure you don't know what you're talking about.

Occam's razor says this is a fire-fighting vehicle, recorded on a news broadcast. If you want to default to a mundane explanation, lets default to that.

Originally posted by FlySolo
reply to post by interupt42

 

You would have to understand the DVR operating system to do any of that. Practically re-write it just to have it display the way it did. Not likely

You wouldn't have to know anything about the DVR operating system since you are not uploading anything back to it nor modifying it. You are simply creating an image or video that looks like the DVR program and then replaying on your tv from your computer,vcr,etc.....

Although I don't think they hacked the DVR and its overkill in this case. Hacking DVR operating system has been done numerous of times as it typically runs on some type of linux flavor. if you took the effort to create the CGI effect it wouldn't be that far to suggest that they would take the effort to manipulate the DVR. Although , like I said in this case its not even required and its an overkill.

Basically, you can't dismiss it as a cgi effect just because it appears that its being run from a live dvr source.
I'm not saying that it is a cgi effect, but you can't rule it out either.

Originally posted by interupt42

Originally posted by FlySolo
reply to post by interupt42

 

You would have to understand the DVR operating system to do any of that. Practically re-write it just to have it display the way it did. Not likely

You wouldn't have to know anything about the DVR operating system since you are not uploading anything back to it nor modifying it. You are simply creating an image or video that looks like the DVR program and then replaying on your tv from your computer,vcr,etc.....

Yes you would have to know. How else can you format it the same? Have you ever read code before? It's tricky sh!t.

Although I don't think they hacked the DVR and its overkill in this case. Hacking DVR operating system has been done numerous of times as it typically runs on some type of linux flavor. if you took the effort to create the CGI effect it wouldn't be that far to suggest that they would take the effort to manipulate the DVR. Although , like I said in this case its not even required and its an overkill.

Basically, you can't dismiss it as a cgi effect just because it appears that its being run from a live dvr source.
I'm not saying that it is a cgi effect, but you can't rule it out either.

An extremely remote possibility doesn't add more credibility.

reply to post by FlySolo


OK, so we're finally getting somewhere. I've contacted the KRDO TV manager and requested original footage. Given the time difference I suspect I may not get a reply.

I've also contacted the four producers, the executive producer, the assistant news director and the chief photojournalist.

Here's hoping.

reply to post by FlySolo


You don't have to format nothing or know anything about coding to create images of a dvr screens using cgi.


Are you saying that its easier to do the following cgi effect than to mimic a dvr menu? Or that its creator had to know how a real UFO works or how to code it in order to create the following video?
www.youtube.com...


1. take a computer and create a CGI video that mimics the DVR menu.
2. On the same computer add and or append a video of the UFO footage.
3. Playback the video from your computer via the PC hdmi video out to your tv.
4. Take your phone and video the tv playback using your phone.

where is the hacking or coding required? Where is the DVR even used in this case? Are you saying that's impossible to create a DVR effect using CGI?

Like I said, i'm not saying that is cgi but you can't totally dismiss it and its worth further investigation.
However, I'm a little crazy since I don't believe everything I see on youtube.

Originally posted by interupt42
reply to post by FlySolo

 

You don't have to format nothing or know anything about coding to create images of a dvr screens using cgi.


Are you saying that its easier to do the following cgi effect than to mimic a dvr menu? Or that its creator had to know how a real UFO works or how to code it in order to create the following video?
www.youtube.com...

No I'm not saying that. However, "mimicking" a dvr menu is not the same as giving it functionality.

1. take a computer and create a CGI video that mimics the DVR menu.
2. On the same computer add and or append a video of the UFO footage.
3. Playback the video from your computer via the PC hdmi video out to your tv.
4. Take your phone and video the tv playback using your phone.

All of that requires functionality, he uses a remote. Therefore, it is not just a 'recorded' CGI played on a tv

where is the hacking or coding required? Are you saying that's impossible to create a DVR effect using CGI?

Again, an 'effect' is just an effect. Making the effect interactive requires programming/coding

Man this is hot off the presses! It'd be cool if it was the real deal, certainly looks like it.....has an HD copy direct from the source been uploaded?? Please for the love god let this not be faked or something else.

And lulz@the shillz

reply to post by FlySolo


The functionality can be recreated with special effects via CGI and a guy pointing a remote (prop) to a tv and using timing with the prerecorded effect/video.

like I said , I'm not saying that its fake,altered , or cgi, but don't be so quick to dismiss those possibilities either.

Heck it could even be a true UFO which means it could be an unidentified man made object as well.

Originally posted by interupt42
reply to post by FlySolo

 

The functionality is just special effects via CGI with a guy pointing a remote (prop) to a tv and using timing and a prerecorded effect.

Oh man are you ever reaching. It must be very hard to let this go. Not being a jerk but seriously? A prop remote and complex timing coupled with intensive CGI coding to "mimic" the look and feel of a dvr so he can film it with his cell phone? He scrolls through the prerecorded shows man. All of that was just an effect created earlier at some point? Now I know how Phage feels sometimes.

Originally posted by FlySolo

Originally posted by interupt42
reply to post by FlySolo

 

The functionality is just special effects via CGI with a guy pointing a remote (prop) to a tv and using timing and a prerecorded effect.

Oh man are you ever reaching. It must be very hard to let this go. Not being a jerk but seriously? A prop remote and complex timing coupled with intensive CGI coding to "mimic" the look and feel of a dvr so he can film it with his cell phone? He scrolls through the prerecorded shows man. All of that was just an effect created earlier at some point? Now I know how Phage feels sometimes.

Ok sorry, the only logical explanation is: This is a real UFO because a guy filmed a dvr video through his phone and he pointed a remote at the DVR.

Because no time in history has anyone put any time or effort into creating a HOAX. Well I suggest you forget this crappy video and use this as proof:
www.youtube.com...

Although I'm sure that Haiti UFO was much easier and less time consuming than creating static DVR context menus.

BTW The timing would not be that complex at all as you suggest . The guy just has to point a remote and you think he is doing something. Even if he is holding the remote and pointing at the tv when the DVR menus are doing nothing the viewer would just think he is holding the remote. Win Win either way so not that tricky to mimic. In addition you could even do it without timing if you had a friend in the background directing the flow of the video. But like you suggest , people wouldn't go through that trouble to create a UFO hoax:
www.youtube.com...
www.youtube.com...



But yes, I'm the crazy one because I don't rule this youtube video as a possible hoax until further research is done or additional information is gathered

I'm not trying to be a jerk either but as others suggest we need to verify that the video was not altered by doing CGI analyses or the easier way in this case by getting confirmation from the news agency themselves or getting access to the raw news report.

Ultimately we all need to say this:

It's a cool video but until we see the original original then we can only say that it is a cool video. Not proof.

I am awaiting the response from Executive Producers, Producers, Chief Photojournalist, TV Manager and Assistant News Director at KRDO.

Hopefully one of them will be kind enough to forward me the unedited footage.

Honestly, I'm semi-convinced it's real given the other mysterious events that have happened in that area too.

reply to post by interupt42


Spaghetti. All of these ideas are spaghetti. Much easier to believe

Originally posted by interupt42
reply to post by FlySolo

 

The functionality can be recreated with special effects via CGI and a guy pointing a remote (prop) to a tv and using timing with the prerecorded effect/video.

like I said , I'm not saying that its fake,altered , or cgi, but don't be so quick to dismiss those possibilities either.

Heck it could even be a true UFO which means it could be an unidentified man made object as well.

edit on 3-7-2012 by interupt42 because: (no reason given)

You're saying he has hologram technology?

reply to post by FlySolo

So its easier to believe that this is the proof we have all been waiting for AND no need to confirm the authenticity because its to difficult of a task to CGI?

I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree, but what are you going to do know that you have definite proof of aliens visiting us? How has it changed your life and outlook of things?

reply to post by add alone

I have no idea what it is or if its cgi effect at this time. I'm waiting to see if the news source replies to some of the request for additional information or if another video from another source is found to do comparisons , or if the original footage is released.

I'm not saying its a hoax but with the information we have at this time a hoax can't be ruled out.