Fulfilled Prophecy: Evidence for the Reliability of the Bible

Originally posted by windword

Originally posted by DarkKnight21

Originally posted by windword
reply to post by DarkKnight21

 

Did you ever consider, the hand and the nail are symbols of building, more than torture and murder? If this concocted Jesus hadn't been nailed to wood, would you still claim him as GOD because he was the son of a carpenter, hand and nail?

However you view it, Jesus fits the bill for "Behold the Hand, Behold the Nail" perfectly. He was a carpenter on Earth, and then nailed our sin to a crucifix and became a carpenter of the soul. The fact that the name was given thousands of years before his birth, I believe, makes divine intervention more plausible.

It's a far stretch to attribute this name to Jesus simply because he was supposedly nailed to a tree. Hundreds if not thousand of dissidents were crucified. Jesus, according to scripture, was the son of Joseph by proxy, a carpenter. What did Jesus build? Is "carpenter" code for Mason/Freemanson?

Was Jesus a Freemason?

The hand and the nail are within the name of the Hebrew god, because he supposedly is the builder/architect of this world. YHVH, is the builder of houses. You know, "In my FATHER'S house are many mansions". God, not Jesus, is the builder.

EDIT: In my studies, the way I understand the YHVH, it is the principle of the spirit of "GOD" penetrating matter and occupying the feminine principle of matter, giving life, to the lifeless. Of course this is just a principle to facilitate an understanding. This character claiming to be god in the OT is not the creator, but a miserable impostor, claiming the unspeakable name of GOD, and is responsible for many woes.

edit on 4-7-2012 by windword because: (no reason given)

THE STONE THE BUILDERS REJECTED HAS BECOME THE CAPSTONE - These words first appear in Psalm 118:22, and recur at Matthew 21:42, Mark 12:10, Luke 20:17, Acts 4:11 and 1 Peter 2:7. The 'builders' here are the Masons, and Christ is the capstone. Whether the Masons and the supposed Illuminati are linked or not, they don't like the idea that Jesus is YHWH, and that is an agenda they have been pushing for a long time. They want to be their own builders. They want to be their own saviors. God warned Israel against turning from Him to try and save themselves in the book of Isaiah. Israel instead responded defiantly - Isaiah 9:10. The United States of America is responding in the same manner now.

I highly doubt Jesus was a Mason because he rejected political power and gave all credit for his works to the Father. "Jesus said, 'My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place.'" - John 18:36

Someone asked how the OP has come up with the numbers and still after 5 pages he/she has not told us how they have come up with them so Iam calling BS and the op has just made them up.

reply to post by boymonkey74


Read the second post of the thread. The method the numbers were calculated was there from day one.

reply to post by DarkKnight21


I know that to many, Jesus is the all and the end all and the answer to every riddle and every mystery in the Bible.

I just can't see the correlation of Jesus being the missing capstone to the Great Pyramid. I understand the need to believe that Jesus finishes and completes the "Law." When Jesus said that he came to fulfill the law, which was given to Moses, after the Exodus, do you think that meant he was to complete the pyramid of a city and culture that Moses left behind?

What does the capstone have to do with Hebrew Law and tradition?

How does Jesus being the missing capstone answer the riddle of the pyramids? What about the Sphynx, is Jesus the answer to his riddle as well?

reply to post by windword

It's a far stretch to attribute this name to Jesus simply because he was supposedly nailed to a tree.

How many people come calling themselves as Messiah before Yeshua could raise the dead? Not one, they were soon forgotten after their rebellions failed and they were executed, not one healed anyone or did anything selfless, but rather selfish, as Gamaliel said.

Gamaliel also said that christianity if it were just a cult would fizzle and die out, but if it were truly of YHWH then anyone trying to destroy it would find themselves fighting against Yah himself and would not be able to destroy it. 2000 years later...still here despite many attempts to exterminate the faith.

The hand and the nail are within the name of the Hebrew god, because he supposedly is the builder/architect of this world. YHVH, is the builder of houses. You know, "In my FATHER'S house are many mansions". God, not Jesus, is the builder.

Symbolism right there. Behold the hand, behold the nail. This is how he gives revelation, hidden in symbolism. His very name is prophecy. Most people do not understand hebrew symbolism so they miss the meaning of what is being said, such as you yourself are missing the hebrew symbolism. God is not the builder God/Gad is the pagan semitic deity of Fortune, his name is YHWH or Hayah and yes Yeshua did claim to be Hayah many times which is why the jews kept trying to kill him . The name Hayah translates as "I AM".

John 8:56-59

56 Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.”

57 “You are not yet fifty years old,” they said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!”

58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.

Right there "Before Abraham was, I AM" He said Hayah and they knew that Hayah is the first name he gave to Moses and you can tell by their reaction they knew exactly what he was claiming which is why they tried to kill him.

As for him being an OT impostor, you just commited blasphemy.

John 5:37-40

37 And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form, 38 nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent. 39 You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

The only scriptures at this time was the Torah/Tenach, so those spoke of him, including what Moses wrote, the first 5 books. So if no one had ever seen the Father until Philip and Thomas, who was on Mt. Sinai with Moses and showed him his back? Who did Jacob wrestle? Who did Abraham talk to the day Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed?

John 5:45-46

45 “But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set. 46 If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me.

Isaiah tells you who he is too, straight out of the OT.

Isaiah 43:10-13

10 “You are my witnesses, ” declares the Lord,
“and my servant whom I have chosen,
so that you may know and believe me
and understand that I am he.
Before me no god was formed,
nor will there be one after me.
11 I, even I, am the Lord,
and apart from me there is no savior.
12 I have revealed and saved and proclaimed—
I, and not some foreign god among you.
You are my witnesses, ” declares the Lord, “that I am God.
13 Yes, and from ancient days I am he.
No one can deliver out of my hand.
When I act, who can reverse it?”

Verse 10 And my servant, whom i have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he

Obviously the Elohim of the OT wanted us to believe that he is Yeshua, or this chapter and many more like it would not exist.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

As for him being an OT impostor, you just commited blasphemy.

Yeah, blasphemy, whatever, dude. However, I think you do misunderstand me.

The guy from the OT, claiming to be god, demanding worship and writing laws in stone, then commanding his followers to break those laws in his name. He is an impostor. Jesus is not an incarnation of that guy. I'm just not buying it!

reply to post by windword

Indeed. Although he borrowed from the Torah heavily, Jesus seems to have re-framed God as spirit and truth, and his ralationship with God as Abba (Papa) expresses an intimate, participatory relationship with God as the Absolute or the Tao, but in a loving relationship between a beloved and beloved other. The God of Jesus Christ is a Universal Godhead, not an actor or an agent.

That said, Jesus understood that salvation would come from the Jews, and Jews came out of Exodus, and their God kicked the Babylonian-Egyptian God's ass big time.

So what we see is one God replacing another, unto Christ.

But Christ is not Yahweh or the son of Yahweh I don't think so, even though Jesus fully acknowledged the spirit of prophecy from the OT.

It's a bit of a conumdrum, but me I'm not about to start judging the God of the OT and calling him evil, that just dosn't feel right either and smacks of extreme arrogance, since there's much more to the ancient historical frame than meets the eye.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


Indeed!

I believe that the essence and communion of the One True God is revealed and praised in the OT, for example, in the Proverbs, Psalms and Ecclesiastes. I also believe that Jesus taught of this One True God, and not the jealous, war monger of Exodus.

I'm not convinced as to the Hebrew god kicking the Egyptian god's ass either. There are too many questions in the account of Exodus to take it literally.

Christian Religion appears to have a number of HUGE problems, and the Prophecy appears nothing but a scam:

www.jamesrobertwatson.com...

Phony Promises
And then there are the phony promises, hyped up schemes and bogus tales that religion tries to peddle to us:
THE CONCEPT OF “SOUL.” The soul is an invisible part of you that, spirit-like, lives on and goes to heaven after you die. Nobody has ever seen a soul, there is no tangible evidence that a soul exists and a soul should not be confused with personality or emotions. Your brain is composed of neurons and synapses that cease to function when you die and so your personality dies with you. When a priest or minister says he wants to “save your soul,” watch out, because he likely wants money or another follower to increase his power.
“JESUS LOVES YOU.” “Look,” I say to the one anointing me with this Jesus-loves-you phrase, “Jesus doesn’t even know who I am. So stop trying to get me to feel that someone up there has the warm fuzzies for me. It’s just another ploy to separate me from my discretionary income because, of course, you’re counting on the fact that I wouldn’t want to have this guy stop loving me.”
FORGIVENESS OF SINS. Here’s a scam that has got to be the world’s most effective producer of guilt-fees on the planet. You can kill, steal or torture dumb animals but if you go to the confessional and own up to it, the priest is duty bound to not only not mention it to the cops, but to expiate your sins and send you to heaven clean as a newborn babe. For that, the priest demands loyalty, of course, plus the usual ten Hail Marys, and a promise to sin no more.
VIRGIN BIRTH. Mary gave birth to Jesus, the alleged son of God, without being inseminated vaginally by a human male. She is deified for this, sanctified, and held up as a virtuous ideal. But what about the rest of us, we women who were unlucky enough to get pregnant the old-fashioned way? The church has dubbed sexual intercourse “sinful” and “dirty” for 2,000 years. Sex can only be engaged in under the rules of the church, and that means standing up in front of a priest and promising to love, honor and obey till death do you part, which means being bound to another person for the rest of your life even if he (or she) turns out to be Jack the Ripper.
HEAVEN AND HELL. This has to be the all-time most profitable moneymaking scheme in the history of the church. Imagine a punishment that is there for any religious infraction - but you can’t see the punishment or experience it until you are dead. The church doesn’t have to administer the punishment; all it needs to do is say that it will happen.

Else, all these question would be answered, and we might find some soldiers with eternal life speaking to that issue.

www.atheists.org...

Let's examine some truth:

Truth 1) All religions make money and power from their flock.

Truth 2) All religions* promise life after death, AND they promise that members of the flock will benefit in that afterlife from their association with the church/synagogue/mosque. Whether it's an amorphous \closeness to God\, or eternity in Heaven, or 72 virgins, they make lots of promises about an afterlife that doesn't exist. They appeal to wishful thinking, egos, and love of life to insent the parishioners to follow and give.

Let's face it: religion tells a good story. All you need to do is follow the preacher and good things will happen. You will never really die, and due to your involvement in (insert religion here) you will benefit for eternity. Yes, it pleases the invisible man-in-the-sky that you follow your preacher -- just ask your preacher and he will tell you.

And if all that prophecy stuff was real---their would be no need to Deists, but the Deists were correct:

en.wikipedia.org...

Critical elements of deist thought included:
Rejection of all religions based on books that claim to contain the revealed word of God.
Rejection of all religious dogma and demagogy.
Rejection of reports of miracles, prophecies and religious "mysteries".

Constructive elements of deist thought included:
God exists, created and governs the universe.
God gave humans the ability to reason.

I think I'll stick with Thomas Jefferson's great insights and just cut out the embellished non-sense of religion. After all, most of us can read these days and go back to reading of the Sumerian gods, and find Yahwah as Enlil, and Father as Enki, and then all the bible narratives become a short story of off world visitation, and noting really valued as god. Just primitive pagan nonsense, not worth the time or money spent on it.

reply to post by MartyrCollect

Originally posted by MartyrCollect
Aren't all these prophecies made redundant though until you prove that someone like Jesus even existed?
... because he's fictitious?

FAR too many are MISSING the key issue: We are being LIED to and DECEIVED! If you believe the lies, you are not only deceived, you are also being USED to deceive others.

The goal of the Illuminati is to destroy Christianity and Western civilization. Illuminati worship lucifer and teach that Jesus is a myth, their methods are to keep the truth as far away from you and me as is possible.

The historicity of Jesus is indisputable, there is more verification for Jesus than any other person in all of ancient history.

Originally posted by MartyrCollect
I’m just asking as a person with almost no idea about most of religion.

Religion is used as mass mind control with a hidden agenda...

"Every major religion in the world has been manufactured or infiltrated by the Illuminati to enslave and brainwash society. In essence, religion was the first form of mind control. The indoctrination of the masses by a "Trojan Horse" false religion has allowed the Illuminati to take control and work in secret for many, many years." Link

Satan's most effective method of seducing men and women to yield to his control over them is via a religious system. Link

"Organized religion is THE deception that keeps us in fear of God and rejecting his grace. Religion keeps you from knowing God and keeps you blind as to what God is really like! Sadly, some confuse religion with Jesus, and walk away from them both, God and religion are separate entities that get intertwined together by man. ALL pagan religions are controlled by Satan! The elite created religion as a tool for control with a hidden agenda that aims to blind and misguide you away from the truth."

"Today the religions of the world remain a major tool of the Illuminati agenda. They maintain the climate of unquestioning, unthinking, ignorance, and their pseudo-morality provides a veil of hypocrisy, behind which the most sickening abuse of children can be hidden."

"Some of the most famous church "leaders" and evangelists on the planet are Illuminati operatives who use religion to manipulate and brain-wash their followers while engaging in Satanic rituals that beggar belief."

"But the mass of unthinking followers in any religion are merely the fodder and the screen behind which the real business goes on." Link

Originally posted by DarkKnight21

THE STONE THE BUILDERS REJECTED HAS BECOME THE CAPSTONE - These words first appear in Psalm 118:22, and recur at Matthew 21:42, Mark 12:10, Luke 20:17, Acts 4:11 and 1 Peter 2:7. The 'builders' here are the Masons, and Christ is the capstone. Whether the Masons and the supposed Illuminati are linked or not, they don't like the idea that Jesus is YHWH, and that is an agenda they have been pushing for a long time. They want to be their own builders. They want to be their own saviors. God warned Israel against turning from Him to try and save themselves in the book of Isaiah. Israel instead responded defiantly - Isaiah 9:10. The United States of America is responding in the same manner now.

I highly doubt Jesus was a Mason because he rejected political power and gave all credit for his works to the Father. "Jesus said, 'My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place.'" - John 18:36

You don't appear to know much about what Masons teach in their rituals, via some of the old history. They do things to make people think and dig up issues like the old Sumerian texts, which is where one finds the roots for tower and pyramid building and the issues of Creator gods and the deal with Abraham.

The pyramid capstone was gold, just as the interior for the 2 nd temple was gold. The 2 nd temple was a tiny thing compared to other Phonecian temples.

The Masons worship knowledge, known as light, and their ultimate light comes from the heavens and the East. It isn't Jesus, isn't yahweh, nor Enlil, nor Enki, just something that they term the great architech. Hiram Abif is not real, but he was a great architech, and is used to teach some Masonic issues.

Masons tend to be a lot like Deists, in that there is a great architech, but no god that anyone speaks with or anything more than mother nature's clockwork turning.

For most Masons that studied well the history, Jesus is just a Man, a teacher, a healer, and never considered a god. For most that study the long history, they know the story of jesus was abducted and used and abused by the corrupt churches.

There is always this battle between the churches and the Masons, because one tells the real history and it shows the churches are corrupt in their teachings. The Deists and the Masons are telling most of the real truth about religion that critical thinking can achieve. The churches don't and want do that because all they want is money and control to keep money coming.

reply to post by ThisIsNotReality

Originally posted by ThisIsNotReality
I'm open to any religion, what bothers me ITT though is the people claiming Christianity is the only religion that will get you to "heaven".

NO. Hell is bullsh*t,

Ditch the religion... FAST

Unless you want eyewitness proof that debunks your "Hell is bullsh*t" beliefs.

Like I said above, religion is form of mind control used to enslave and brainwash.

Anyone who is "open to any religion" IS brainwashed, PERIOD.

reply to post by CoolerAbdullah786

Originally posted by CoolerAbdullah786
“But say: “O my Lord! Increase me in knowledge." (Quran 20:115)

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Whoever seeks a way to acquire knowledge Allah will make easy his way to Paradise.” [Sahîh Muslim (2699)]

It was also related by Anas b. Malik that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Seeking knowledge is obligatory upon every Muslim.” [Sunan Ibn Mâjah (224) and others]

The Prophet commands you to seek knowledge while the TRUE agenda of all false religion is to blind and misguide you away from the truth.

Islam is nothing more than another mind control cult in disguise.

Knowledge is TRUTH

Religion will NEVER tell you the TRUTH...

"The Vatican wanted to create a messiah for the Arabs, someone they could raise up as a great leader, a man with charisma whom they could train, and eventually unite all the non-Catholic Arabs behind him, creating a mighty army that would ultimately capture Jerusalem for the pope. In the Vatican briefing, Cardinal Bea told us this story:

'While Muhammad was being prepared, he was told that his enemies were the Jews and that the only true Christians were Roman Catholic. He was taught that others calling themselves Christians were actually wicked impostors and should be destroyed. Many Muslims believe this.

'Muhammad began receiving "divine revelations" and his wife's Catholic cousin Waraquah helped interpret them. From this came the Koran.'

Some of Muhammad's writings were placed in the Koran, others were never published. They are now in the hands of high ranking holy men (Ayatollahs) in the Islamic faith.'

"When Cardinal Bea shared with us in the Vatican, he said, these writings are guarded because they contain information that links the Vatican to the creation of Islam. Both sides have so much information on each other, that if exposed, it could create such a scandal that it would be a disaster for both religions.

How the Vatican created Islam

The Prophet
The Prophet comic book
The Prophet scribd

The Jesuits are TERRIFIED of this story, because it proves that both the Catholic church AND Islam are total frauds. If this story were a fraud, they wouldn't be bashing Alberto Rivera.

Soon after Alberto Rivera´s testimony was published, a network of attackers came forward to slander Alberto Rivera and his testimony. The COVER-UP and character assassination attempt made against Alberto Rivera only goes to prove the veracity of his statements about Rome.

Most of them simply repeat the unsupported accusations that Alberto Rivera is a huckster or fraud, etc. None of these attackers offer any analysis to back up their claims. They just repeat other peoples' negative characterizations of Alberto Rivera. Even those within Christianity have been fooled by this propaganda barrage.

Every major religion in the world has been manufactured or infiltrated by the Illuminati

Originally posted by CoolerAbdullah786
"The ink of the scholar is holier than the blood of the martyr."

Peace be upon you.

Originally posted by windword
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

As for him being an OT impostor, you just commited blasphemy.

Yeah, blasphemy, whatever, dude. However, I think you do misunderstand me.

The guy from the OT, claiming to be god, demanding worship and writing laws in stone, then commanding his followers to break those laws in his name. He is an impostor. Jesus is not an incarnation of that guy. I'm just not buying it!

edit on 4-7-2012 by windword because: (no reason given)

Yeshua is Hayah/YHWH. We cannot look upon the Father without dying, so he gave us a face we could look upon and see his Glory through him. That was he on Mt. Sinai with Moses.

Now there were false prophets stuffing words into his mouth and prophesying by Ba'al and he tells you that clearly in Jeremiah 7. He also said he did not instruct them on sacrifices and burnt offerings when they came out of Egypt, but only to obey his voice and commandments. When Yeshua came not one time did he ever sacrifice or give burnt offering, he had the authority to forgive sins, neither did he let any of his disciples sacrifice or burn offering.

Jeremiah 7:8-26

8 “Behold, you trust in lying words that cannot profit. 9 Will you steal, murder, commit adultery, swear falsely, burn incense to Baal, and walk after other gods whom you do not know, 10 and then come and stand before Me in this house which is called by My name, and say, ‘We are delivered to do all these abominations’? 11 Has this house, which is called by My name, become a den of thieves in your eyes? Behold, I, even I, have seen it,” says the Lord.

12 “But go now to My place which was in Shiloh, where I set My name at the first, and see what I did to it because of the wickedness of My people Israel. 13 And now, because you have done all these works,” says the Lord, “and I spoke to you, rising up early and speaking, but you did not hear, and I called you, but you did not answer, 14 therefore I will do to the house which is called by My name, in which you trust, and to this place which I gave to you and your fathers, as I have done to Shiloh. 15 And I will cast you out of My sight, as I have cast out all your brethren—the whole posterity of Ephraim.

16 “Therefore do not pray for this people, nor lift up a cry or prayer for them, nor make intercession to Me; for I will not hear you. 17 Do you not see what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem? 18 The children gather wood, the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven; and they pour out drink offerings to other gods, that they may provoke Me to anger. 19 Do they provoke Me to anger?” says the Lord. “Do they not provoke themselves, to the shame of their own faces?”

20 Therefore thus says the Lord God: “Behold, My anger and My fury will be poured out on this place—on man and on beast, on the trees of the field and on the fruit of the ground. And it will burn and not be quenched.”

21 Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: “Add your burnt offerings to your sacrifices and eat meat. 22 For I did not speak to your fathers, or command them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices. 23 But this is what I commanded them, saying, ‘Obey My voice, and I will be your God, and you shall be My people. And walk in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well with you.’ 24 Yet they did not obey or incline their ear, but followed the counsels and the dictates of their evil hearts, and went backward and not forward. 25 Since the day that your fathers came out of the land of Egypt until this day, I have even sent to you all My servants the prophets, daily rising up early and sending them. 26 Yet they did not obey Me or incline their ear, but stiffened their neck. They did worse than their fathers.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


If anything can be said to understand a being that is infinitely vast and infinitely powerful, I sincerely doubt it would be a book written by people who thought the world was flat.

Sorry, but that's the realistic view. Haha...your first mistake was following a book talking about a god who is supposedly infinite yet can be understood.

Originally posted by mikeprodigy
reply to post by AfterInfinity

 

Messiah means: Anointed which symbolizes, Being filled with the spirit of God.

No, it doesn't. Where do you people get these things? It means, "Anointed with Oil."

The word is known in English since c. 1303, deriving from Old French enoint "smeared on", pp. of enoindre "smear on", itself from Latin inunguere, from in- "on" + unguere "to smear." Originally it only referred to grease or oil smeared on for medicinal purposes; its use in the Coverdale Bible in reference to Christ (cf. The Lord's Anointed, see Chrism) has spiritualized the sense of it, a sense expanded and expounded upon by St Paul's writings in his "Epistles". The title Christ is derived from the Greek term Χριστός (Khristós) meaning "the anointed one"; covered in oil, anointed, itself from the above mentioned word Keres.

Wiki source
And as AfterInfinity so aptly pointed out, one can prove these men existed, but now what they said, and a great many Christians in here talk like they were there in first person, and heard every word themselves. As windword said, "The Bible and the dubious writers are completely unreliable. " I have to agree.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

If anything can be said to understand a being that is infinitely vast and infinitely powerful, I sincerely doubt it would be a book written by people who thought the world was flat.

Sorry, but that's the realistic view. Haha...your first mistake was following a book talking about a god who is supposedly infinite yet can be understood.

Actually, the HOLY BIBLE says the world is round buddy, get with the times. Good luck understanding anything you read in the bible, because you're clearly failing at it. No eyes, no ears. There's science there but you will never know what you're looking at .

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


No eyes... no ears... No faith! Faith is the first step. I do not think they will earnestly seek Him until they are in the midst of the storm. You and I are mere humble weathermen.

I was discussing the Higgs-Boson "God" particle on another forum, where some atheists were laughing saying it would put pastors and priests out of their jobs. Unfortunately for their egos, Hebrews 11 didn't particularly help their rant.

Hebrews 11

3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.

4 By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead.

5 By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: “He could not be found, because God had taken him away.” For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God. 6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

reply to post by DarkKnight21

Hebrews 11

3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.

Thats the hidden science i am talking about. Here's another one:

Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

Man's body is composed of every element in the ground, dirt, salt, calcium and many different amounts of other elements foundin dirt, down to the elements in dirt and H2O, ofcourse we didn't know that until science and the invention of the periodic table and invention of microscopes. But there it was 3500 years ago, YHWH told us what we and all the life on earth were made up of. The science was there, and he told Moses but science didn't exist back then.

Science now says, everything on earth came from stardust. Low and behold, thats what the bible says. Everything came from dust 3500 years before we knew what we were looking at. Advanced knowledge in an ancient text.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


Well said. I've long thought that the Big Bang also confirmed the Biblical account of "let there be light", whereas people who don't want God to exist (whether intentionally or unintentionally) claim that this is twisting the words of Genesis to conform with science. But - it's the EXACT same thing! The Bible doesn't mention protons or neutrons, it doesn't speak the contemporary scientific language, but it certainly gets the scientific concepts right! Modern science continues to corroborate with the ancient Word.