Religion is a disease

reply to post by windword

"What is born of the flesh is flesh, but of spirit, spirit". Jesus Christ, fully examined, is a rather compelling individual and spiritual being, to say the least. Faith in him isn't a lie or a disease.

Epicurus' argument IS pathetic and disgraceful.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


Thanks lonewolf, I needed a chuckle.

Sorry to say I only watched a little bit. It was enough. With such convincing proof, I now don't see how anyone could not declare Jesus as their savior.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by windword

 

"What is born of the flesh is flesh, but of spirit, spirit". Jesus Christ, fully examined, is a rather compelling individual and spiritual being, to say the least. Faith in him isn't a lie or a disease.

Epicurus' argument IS pathetic and disgraceful.

In your pious opinion.

reply to post by Cogito, Ergo Sum

There's a historical Jesus, and he was well aware of the role he was playing. You're mistaken, as is the maker of Zeitgiest.

It's amuzing how people seek to erase the historical person of Jesus, when even a cursory textual criticism of the gospels, let alone Paul's letters (who was contemporary to Peter a desciple) shows that there was a man named Jesus who taught, performed works even miracles, and who was crucified under Pontias Pilate.

reply to post by Cogito, Ergo Sum

No, I explained why precisely.

Pious opinion, gimme a break.

My take? Having been raised Methodist for 19 of my 39 years, heh. All I know is Christianity is a mere wee 2000 years old and it's currently 2012 AD. Means it pretty much started around Year 0 AD. MANY religions are far far far older than that one and many are newer. It's not new news that Christianity took a LOT from the pagan religion, which is FAR older than Xtianity. Far older. Heck, even the ancient PRE Xtianity Egyptians, Greeks, Romans etc had tales of a virgin birth, man who did miraculous deeds like the Christian Jesus, etc etc etc. So why would Xtianity be the MAIN ONLY religion when it took from older religions? Why wasn't it around since day one when humans evolved thousands upon thousands of years ago? Why did it only come into being 2000 years ago?

Given ALL the religions in the world, how DARE Xtians claim to be the one and only religion that's 100% correct when those who practice others believe theirs is the one and only religion that is 100% correct? How dare they? "We're right, you're not, na na na." Is essentially what Xtians claim, "Our dad is bigger than your dad."

Bullmalarcky! I fully believe and hope that all religions are extinct from the world. I do see it happening within 150 to 200 years. Most youth are not believing in religion much these days and most people are starting to question as well. If religion is gone, so end most wars, most strife. What is the usual cause of war and torture? Religious wars. I've not seen much good come from any religion out there to be honest.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by Cogito, Ergo Sum

 

There's a historical Jesus, and he was well aware of the role he was playing. You're mistaken, as is the maker of Zeitgiest.

It's amuzing how people seek to erase the historical person of Jesus, when even a cursory textual criticism of the gospels, let alone Paul's letters (who was contemporary to Peter a desciple) shows that there was a man named Jesus who taught, performed works even miracles, and who was crucified under Pontias Pilate.

Again, that is only your belief. To state otherwise is dishonest unless you can prove it. I believe he was very unlikely to have existed. He certainly didn't exist in the way claimed.

reply to post by sarra1833


Nope utter b*ll*cks, utter utter tripe, No way on this earth are you 39 you look much younger

reply to post by sarra1833


It's supposed to be about spiritual growth, joy and happiness, and a liberation from bondage to sin, sorrow, suffering and strife whereby "Our liberation is God's compulsion" (C.S. Lewis). Jesus is simply the embodiment of the spiritually/psychologically perfected human being, who is also divine. It's a model for our evolutionary growth as spiritual beings having a human experience. Jesus was inviting us to join with him and come along for the ride of the ages, and to realize the kingdom of heaven (as differentiated from the fallen earthly kingdom of wicked men) now in our innermost heart of hearts. Why disparage it and us "Xtians", I find that hurtful, sad, and to put it bluntly, rather ignorant and presumptuous.

reply to post by boymonkey74


I am indeed 39. Have an almost 18 yo son. Yeah, some people think I look between 16 and 23. I've been mistaken as my sons gf when we're out food shopping etc xD I love it. And hate my true age so much........just a number though, haha.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


Though I do post strongly, do keep in mind I DO respect everyone's beliefs and opinions. Mine are strong; but so are those who have faith, no matter what it's in. I can not dog someone's beliefs as they believe them 100%, just as I'd expect others to respect my beliefs as I believe them 100%.

Same goes for every religion out there. Which is why I mentioned that for one religion to say they're 100% correct and the others are not is awful to do. I understand fully that every religion wishes to bring peace and everlasting life to those who do not believe. They all want their fellow humans to have eternal life in the after life place their religion believes in. That's totally fine. My entire family are die hard Christians. I'd NEVER take those ideas and peace inducing beliefs from them. Never. They also understand my place and let me know they love me, accept me and know I Have to do what's right for me.

In the long run of things, it really doesn't matter what is right or wrong. If only religion as a whole didn't cause such strife. If only non believers didn't cause such strife. I speak as in the 'you're wrong, I'm right, see things my way' kind of strife. From wars with actual torture and death to what I'm reading on here.

Yes, I have my opinions on everything. As do you and everyone in the world if they're of thinking minds. Point is, I think we all have to agree to disagree and cease doing the 'you're right, I'm wrong' thing all together. Religion is like politics (yet should be separated in my opinion) and really shouldn't be talked about in public where everyone has their own differing ideas and ideals about it all.

Apologies if I hurt you or any other believer. I have a tendency to speak my thoughts as I have them.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by sarra1833

 

Jesus was inviting us to join with him and come along for the ride of the ages

or burn in hell for eternity.............you forgot that part.

it is an absolute fact that a man named Jesus (like the spelling sounds) most definately was born of a woman and was obviously raised from the dead -I know this because I was personally spoken to by Him one night in an audible voice that literally saved my life and am fascinated by the accuracy of the scriptures witness of Him, ex.-

Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God -John5

he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest-Acts9

the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever-1Timothy1

for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.-Revelation19

Originally posted by Cogito, Ergo Sum

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by sarra1833

 

Jesus was inviting us to join with him and come along for the ride of the ages

or burn in hell for eternity.............you forgot that part.

No, the unconditional love of his Magnum Opus precludes that even as a possibility, whether you believe in him, or not. There is no eternal hell, only karma, and the resolution to the paradox of the karmic wheel who is Christ and any hell is only temporary, although if you end up there, without anyone to pay the bond, you may have to remain until you've paid the very last penny..

Jesus was all about heaven now, in the present moment, where we must become like little children to enter in.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan

Originally posted by Cogito, Ergo Sum

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by sarra1833

 

Jesus was inviting us to join with him and come along for the ride of the ages

or burn in hell for eternity.............you forgot that part.

No, the unconditional love of his Magnum Opus precludes that even as a possibility, whether you believe in him, or not. There is no eternal hell, only karma, and the resolution to the paradox of the karmic wheel who is Christ and any hell is only temporary, although if you end up there, without anyone to pay the bond, you may have to remain until you've paid the very last penny..

Jesus was all about heaven now, in the present moment, where we must become like little children to enter in.

Actually, although I obviously have little time for organised religion and would go to hell gladly rather than submit to any of their tyrants including Christ, I will concede that something in your last line has merit, for me at least. Though not literally, nor from anything I have read, or been told, or to do with an imagined heaven. Only from certain experience I have had and how it relates to the very simple way I felt as a child.

No doubt we pay a price when we "grow up" and become "wise".Certainly lose something along the way. To feel that same way again, yet without the accompanying naivety, would be nice.

reply to post by sarra1833

Originally posted by sarra1833
If religion is gone, so end most wars, most strife. What is the usual cause of war and torture? Religious wars.

The Synagogue of Satan

One group and one group alone is responsible for virtually all wars and bloodshed on the face of this planet. This evil cabal is few in numbers but, like a deadly octopus, its tentacles reach out to grip and strangle untold multitudes of innocent victims. The initiates of every secret society and internationalist organization, from the Council on Foreign Relations and the Jesuits to the Bilderbergers and the Order of Skull & Bones, obey the dictates of this sinister group and tremble when standing before its leaders.

The cabalist group I refer to is the Synagogue of Satan, an ancient, yet modern, elite so politically powerful and so fabulously wealthy that even past history has been twisted, reshaped, and revised to meet its preferred version of humanity's gloomy, totalitarian future.

Religious in nature, the Synagogue of Satan is, at its essence, a grotesque, satanic cult. It's high council is composed of High Priests of Lucifer; these are men who literally worship death while practicing sexual magick and occult rituals of the blackest nature. LINK

"...secular ideologies were responsible for the murder of 100 million innocent people during the last century." Source

Atheists kill people in such vastly greater numbers than any religion EVER

"And the much greater persecution of priests and believers
in 20th Century Atheist tyrannies clearly demonstrates
the murderous anti-theism of Atheists."

"Then you explain why they kill people in such vastly greater numbers
than any religion EVER HAS in all of history!?"

• Russian Civil War (1917-22): 7 to 10 million
• Soviet Union, Stalin's regime (1924-53): 20 million
• People's Republic of China, Mao Zedong's regime (1949-1975): 44 to 72 million

Source

I don't believe in a hell of sorts just for the record.

About me personally, I live my life to help others, treat them with respect and dignity and love, be there for them, help out as much as I can though I have little, give an ear, a shoulder. I do unto others as well as I can. I'm empathic towards others best I can, etc. I share, I give, I love, I help, I trust in people, don't harm any living being (unless it's a mosquito.), etc etc.

I always was curious why God states that those who do well, love others, treat them with respect and dignity, don't murder, don't harm, don't lie, steal, rape, traumatize, etc will go to Heaven if they believe in Him. And then those who sin, murder, rape, abuse, steal, etc will burn in Hell forever.
Yet those who do well, love others, treat them with respect and dignity, don't murder, don't harm, don't lie, steal, rape, traumatize, etc but do not believe in Him will also go to Hell and burn forever.

It just seems so cruel. I never could fathom why one who was so good and loving etc would burn in Hell for the lack of accepting a deity as their personal savior. "Ah you did so good in your life time, you selfless loving soul. But yeah. You didn't believe in me so off to Hell you go. Toodles." Just not right. It's kind of disturbing.

reply to post by sarra1833

Originally posted by sarra1833
I fully believe and hope that all religions are extinct from the world.

Most youth are not believing in religion much these days and most people are starting to question as well. If religion is gone, so end most wars, most strife.

There is actually a LOT of incredible truth to what you are saying here sarra...

The fact that youth are not believing in religion is a VERY good thing.

The stealth agenda behind Religion is to blind us to the truth and keep us from knowing God!

FAR too many are MISSING the key issue: Religion is used as mass mind control with a hidden agenda...

"Every major religion in the world has been manufactured or infiltrated by the Illuminati to enslave and brainwash society. In essence, religion was the first form of mind control. The indoctrination of the masses by a "Trojan Horse" false religion has allowed the Illuminati to take control and work in secret for many, many years." Link

Satan's most effective method of seducing men and women to yield to his control over them is via a religious system. Link

"Organized religion is THE deception that keeps us in fear of God and rejecting his grace. Religion keeps you from knowing God and keeps you blind as to what God is really like! Sadly, some confuse religion with Jesus, and walk away from them both, God and religion are separate entities that get intertwined together by man. ALL pagan religions are controlled by Satan! The elite created religion as a tool for control with a hidden agenda that aims to blind and misguide you away from the truth."

"Today the religions of the world remain a major tool of the Illuminati agenda. They maintain the climate of unquestioning, unthinking, ignorance, and their pseudo-morality provides a veil of hypocrisy, behind which the most sickening abuse of children can be hidden."

"Some of the most famous church "leaders" and evangelists on the planet are Illuminati operatives who use religion to manipulate and brain-wash their followers while engaging in Satanic rituals that beggar belief."

"But the mass of unthinking followers in any religion are merely the fodder and the screen behind which the real business goes on." Link

reply to post by Rustami


Wow just because you heard voices it doesn't mean he was 100% real nor does it mean he 100% raised from the dead.
If anything it is your inner self or conscious talking to you or you were on some drugs or just a bit crazy at the time.

Don't claim anything is 100% fact when it clearly is not, it is just your opinion.

Originally posted by Cogito, Ergo Sum

Originally posted by NewAgeMan

Originally posted by Cogito, Ergo Sum

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by sarra1833

 

Jesus was inviting us to join with him and come along for the ride of the ages

or burn in hell for eternity.............you forgot that part.

No, the unconditional love of his Magnum Opus precludes that even as a possibility, whether you believe in him, or not. There is no eternal hell, only karma, and the resolution to the paradox of the karmic wheel who is Christ and any hell is only temporary, although if you end up there, without anyone to pay the bond, you may have to remain until you've paid the very last penny..

Jesus was all about heaven now, in the present moment, where we must become like little children to enter in.

Actually, although I obviously have little time for organised religion and would go to hell gladly rather than submit to any of their tyrants including Christ, I will concede that something in your last line has merit. Though not literally, nor from anything I have read, or been told, or to do with an imagined heaven. Only in a personal way, from experience and how it relates to certain feelings from childhood.

No doubt we pay a price when we "grow up" and become "wise".Certainly lose something along the way. To feel that same way again, yet without the accompanying naivety, would be nice.

Well according to Jesus, unless and until we become like that, we cannot enter in. He said nothing about growing old and dying to enter btw. It was a NOW thing, not to be put off, always close at hand the KOH, a terminology he also used as a point of differentation from the earthly kingdom of wicked men who, as today, oppressed the average man and woman, taxed them to the hilt, took their land, etc etc.

Jesus was a hero along any matrix a person can measure, and he was fully aware of exactly what he was doing, and why, and even knew in advance that we'd be still speaking about him and debating over him long after he'd passed off this mortal coil to join with his heavenly father in the pure light of eternal life and love and bliss.

He's an absolute genius with an almost wicked sense of humor. To know him is to love him.