Teen Couple Found Shot in Texas Park

Originally posted by Resurected
reply to post by PurpleChiten

 

Even the news sources are calling it a "possiable hate crime" and we have seen hate crime come out of Texas many times before.. I would imagine it appropriate to speculate away.

I do agree, but have seen threads quickly spiral in ugly directions with speculation so thanks to the reminder, I'm going to withhold my speculation until there is more information as to not cause that to happen here and request that others do the same.

reply to post by PurpleChiten


Understood, i just didnt want to see anyone shy away from an opinion due to pressure from others.

Originally posted by Resurected
reply to post by PurpleChiten

 

Understood, i just didnt want to see anyone shy away from an opinion due to pressure from others.

Understood. It is my opinion, but more evidence is needed to support that opinion sufficiently, so I'll watch it to see how it unfolds....

And continue to send prayer and sympathy for the loss of such a young life and the injuries to the other.
I do hope it wasn't motivated in that way, and hate that it happened at all, to anyone, regardless of their orientation or age.

reply to post by brukernavn


You are obviously and purposely misreading what Purplechiten meant.

The OP meant that this was done by a hate filled Homophobe!

It's not that difficult to read and understand what was meant!

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I honestly believe that you first supposition was correct!

Don't let others change your mind when it is not theirs to change!

It's very sad to hear this. Both so young. Both had their whole lives ahead of them.

This may not have been random, or a hate crime.

Random implies, someone happened upon them in the park and shot them. A hate crime almost implies the same thing. As most hate crimes of this nature are often random attacks.

I think there may be more to this story. Not in a conspiracy sense. But in a possible; The shooter may have known the girls, possibly even had their affections spurned by one of them, and in an act of aggression that may have been planned, followed them and shot them. I really hope they catch this person soon.

Originally posted by wiser3
reply to post by PurpleChiten

 

I honestly believe that you first supposition was correct!

Don't let others change your mind when it is not theirs to change!

I had used the word "homophobia" instead of "homophobic" and they wanted to jump on semantics, so I edited it and diffused the argument. Sometimes, it's just easier that way

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I understand, I also understood exactly what you meant the first time I read your OP. I just hate the way someone will try to derail a thread using such a small "mistake" as a justification!

ps. S&F.

"I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realise that what you heard is not what I meant!" Robert McCloskey

Okay so without anything other than the media saying it "might be a hate crime" (because the media never tries to stir up crap), we are jumping on the "it's a hate crime"? Wow so much for denying ignorance. Way to go for knee jerk reactions.


There are at least four possible reasons for this.

One someone happened upon them in the park and killed them just because they were killers, trying to rob them and it went wrong (i.e. they had no cash on them), it was a failed rape, or some other strange reason.

Two it was a homophobe that killed them because they were gay.

Three it was an ex-lover that was jealous and not over the relationship.

Four it was someone who wanted to have a relationship with one of the girls and was denied and was overly jealous with the attitude of if they could not have her no one would.

Without further evidence though everything is speculation, jumping on the homophobe thing though seems to leap over other possibilities. My first thought would be one of the latter two choices. Either an ex or a love denied. Still there is no proof of that either.

It seems likely the police have a hunch on the reason though, and are building evidence and investigating.


Edit to add:

When asked if police had been able to determine if the girls' sexuality played any role in the shootings, Wright told msnbc.com: “That’s always something that we’re looking for, but as of this point, we have not been able to establish that that had anything to do with the attack.”

Raist

Originally posted by PurpleChiten

Originally posted by BrainGarden
These Girls were not hurting anyone,
this is messed up. I would look into
Possible jilted ex's, Male and female.
sad very sad.( I bet it was an Ex.)

My bet would be on an extremist fundamentalist

My money is on a jilted ex lover with a small penis who was demasculinated by his ex girl goin fur trader on em.

Sorry thats as clean as i can make it without sounding mean.

I doubt the fact they were lesbians had anything to do with it.

Two girls, alone, at night, in a deserted park, with no lights in the area (gunshots were heard just before midnight).

The shooter probably couldn't even tell they were two teenage girls before killing them.

If, for the sake or argument, it was motivated by this, then it really has the opposite effect. It will more likely galvanize the gay/lesbian community, foster pro-gay sentiment, etc.

Not to mention, many young women experiment with lesbianism at some point, but most (that I know) eventually go straight (or go straight with some bi tendencies)....so even more pointless, even if it was the shooter's agenda.

Would have been nice if the story mentioned whether or not the girls were robbed...kind of an important detail there, when trying to determine motive....

It seems that, especially in South Texas, the girls could have inadvertently happened onto a scene of illegal activity such as drug smuggling.

Originally posted by Gazrok
I doubt the fact they were lesbians had anything to do with it.

Two girls, alone, at night, in a deserted park, with no lights in the area (gunshots were heard just before midnight).

The shooter probably couldn't even tell they were two teenage girls before killing them.

If, for the sake or argument, it was motivated by this, then it really has the opposite effect. It will more likely galvanize the gay/lesbian community, foster pro-gay sentiment, etc.

Not to mention, many young women experiment with lesbianism at some point, but most (that I know) eventually go straight (or go straight with some bi tendencies)....so even more pointless, even if it was the shooter's agenda.

Would have been nice if the story mentioned whether or not the girls were robbed...kind of an important detail there, when trying to determine motive....

edit on 27-6-2012 by Gazrok because: (no reason given)

Somebody offline pointed out that most hate crimes similar to the situation are committed against gay men since it's usually men who do the shooting and ....well, in the back of everyone's mind, there's always that perverted voice that tells them they could have two women at once if they try real hard...
Lesbians are more readily accepted then gay men are I suppose.
I guess the headline was extremely suggestive and leads people to automatically think "hate crime" in today's society.

I do hope it turns out to not be related to their sexuality at all as it will be a very big national debate... but perhaps a debate that needs to be had. There are a lot of angles to it if it does turn out that way.

Originally posted by kosmicjack
It seems that, especially in South Texas, the girls could have inadvertently happened onto a scene of illegal activity such as drug smuggling.

Very possible. ...or even gang wars of some sort

Originally posted by cavalryscout

It's obvious the police know something they aren't sharing.

“It appears as if … this was not just a random attack but that’s something that we really have to develop over time.”

Probably don't want to give out too many details of what they know during an ongoing investigation. They wouldn't want to tip off to the assailant(s) how much they know and/if they are closing in on them, somehow.

Originally posted by Resurected
Texas, a Republican state.. Republicans fear and have intollerance for homosexuals.

Texas, a State like any other State - with a hugely sane population who is hard working, struggling to make ends meet like almost everyone else right now, and with a reputation for giving and helping our neighbors; and, sadly, containing just enough nutbars to occasionally make everyone else look bad.

This incident is tragic but you have cheapened the tragedy of two families by bringing politics and personal bias into their nightmare. What if a member of their families is an ATS member or reader? Do you think they needed to see that?

Instead of looking for every opportunity to inappropriately throw politics into something, perhaps you could expend a little energy hoping (or even praying) that the hospitalized girl can get well enough to tell the police exactly who did this and, thereby, get one more nutbar off the street.

Originally posted by JacKatMtn
reply to post by PurpleChiten

 

The sad reality lately is that too many young folks are killed these days...too many.

I'm not suggesting any type of conspiracy here but definitely not a good news for NRA and folks who use guns for recreational and strictly self defense purposes. The timings couldn't be more critical with the controversial F&F in the news and the UN mandate to curb the gun laws of many nations (including US)? Eventually the statistics will favor the rulings especially if they're from the US. Not too long ago a father killed a rapist of her daughter (5 years old) in Texas. Then we had the Treyvon Martin case. To top things off, the LGBT movement has picked up some steam with the vote bank politics and elections just around the corner as it can also be turned into a LGBT discrimination case. Not sure if this will be a racial case since the official investigation has not been concluded yet. So many outcomes from this case.

Originally posted by PurpleChiten

Originally posted by BrainGarden
These Girls were not hurting anyone,
this is messed up. I would look into
Possible jilted ex's, Male and female.
sad very sad.( I bet it was an Ex.)

My bet would be on an extremist fundamentalist

Do you have any sort of precedent to base that on? i.e. names, dates, locations of other homophobic murders done by "fundamentalists"?

If you want to use the Matthew Shepard incident, sorry, but keeping with the fundementals of the Bible, a fundamentalist wouldn't be in a bar, unless he was sharing the Gospel to the patrons.

(I won't hold my breath for the response)

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So we have no information to go on, yet we are going to jump on the " oh it's cause they were gay" bandwagon?

This is getting ridiculous. Doesn't matter why they were murdered, the fact is they were murdered. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with it.

Getting so fed up of Gay being used as some excuse to be a victim. I didn't gay park my car today, or go to gay lunch.

Gay is not some label that you can apply to things and think it matters. People place FAR too much importance on their sexual orientation as a means of identity.

All murders are horrendous, regardless of circumstances.

~Tenth

I think it's important to take into consideration that the founding fathers put the right to bear arms in the bill of rights but at that time, arms were muzzle loaded rifles, not semi-automatic assault guns. I do support everyone's right to own guns, I own them myself and use them for hunting, target practice, recreation, but not for committing crimes.
I'm supportive of limiting what types of firearms we can have as civilia citizens or at least limiting what kind of ammunition we are permitted to buy. If someone is a gun collector and wants to own an AK47, then so be it, but I don't want them to be able to stockpile ammunition for it and possibly go on a killing spree. I don't see a practical use for that type of weapon other than warfare or crime. They're no good for hunting, very expensive for recreational use and if we were under attack or have the apocolype, we're not going to be going out plowing people down with our weapons, we're going to be trying to avoid conflict as much as possible.
When it comes to individual defense, a short range pistol that can also be used recreationally is more than enough. If the event arises that more of a distance is needed, a deer rifle is more than enough for us as individual citizens.
I don't understand why we can't preserve our right to bear arms but at the same time be reasonable in what kind of arms we want to bear and the reasons we want them.
There are too many people who are worrying about the letter of the law but ignoring the intent... on both sides.