Apollo 17 Photography Stations Located To Within 50 cm On LROC Map

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Interesting video, yet it doesn't proof much.

After the rocket leaves my sight, how do I know where it go, or what it does? For all I know it just falls back to earth out of my sight.

Also, video footage of the event does not proof anything. I was just told this in this thread and another thread too.

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reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep

After the rocket leaves my sight, how do I know where it go, or what it does? For all I know it just falls back to earth out of my sight.

You wanted proof that humanity had the technology to go to the Moon. That rocket's specifications make it capable of sending men to the Moon. As for not knowing where it went, have you ever been to Antarctica? How do you know it really exists? There is such a thing as unnecessary skepticism.

Also, video footage of the event does not proof anything. I was just told this in this thread and another thread too.

How about super 8 film, taken by people who were actually present at the time?

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What you believe was man landing on the moon, was in fact filmed in a simulator on earth.

Go back and read the original post. How large would the simulator need to be in order for those panoramas to be taken?

Originally posted by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep
reply to post by DJW001

 

Interesting video, yet it doesn't proof much.

After the rocket leaves my sight, how do I know where it go, or what it does? For all I know it just falls back to earth out of my sight....

Yeah, but you would think the Soviets -- who were keeping tabs on the entire mission -- would have cried foul if the rocket never actually made it beyond Earth's atmosphere.

I mean, there are other ways to confirm something other than "with VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep's eyes".

Originally posted by Ove38
What you believe was man landing on the moon, was in fact filmed in a simulator on earth.

They certainly had LEM landing simulators, complete with miniature model terrains, but there is no evidence whatsoever that there was simulator with the scope capable of pulling off everything that we saw.

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People

Originally posted by Ove38
What you believe was man landing on the moon, was in fact filmed in a simulator on earth.

They certainly had LEM landing simulators, complete with miniature model terrains, but there is no evidence whatsoever that there was simulator with the scope capable of pulling off everything that we saw.

Star Trek captain Kirk tried the simulator, and saw his ship the Enterprise fly outside in "space"

at 7:30 www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by DJW001
How about super 8 film, taken by people who were actually present at the time?

present on the moon ?

To say, "you saw the rocket go" so they went to the moon, is LOL

Originally posted by Ove38

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People

Originally posted by Ove38
What you believe was man landing on the moon, was in fact filmed in a simulator on earth.

They certainly had LEM landing simulators, complete with miniature model terrains, but there is no evidence whatsoever that there was simulator with the scope capable of pulling off everything that we saw.

Star Trek captain Kirk tried the simulator, and saw his ship the Enterprise fly outside in "space"

at 7:30 www.youtube.com...

A pilot training in a simulator seeing a simulated spacecraft projected out the window is a lot different than simulating an entire moon walk being seen by others.

The simulators are meant to simulate the landing of the LEM for training purposes. I'm not sure how that simulator could be used to fool the entire world into thinking that the astronauts were walking, roving, and in general exploring the moon.

Originally posted by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep
reply to post by DJW001

 

Interesting video, yet it doesn't proof much.

After the rocket leaves my sight, how do I know where it go, or what it does? For all I know it just falls back to earth out of my sight.

Try ham radios ..

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Originally posted by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep
reply to post by DJW001

 

Interesting video, yet it doesn't proof much.

After the rocket leaves my sight, how do I know where it go, or what it does? For all I know it just falls back to earth out of my sight.

It was one giant leap for mankind, and it was taken at 12.56 pm Australian Eastern Standard Time (AEST) on Monday 21 July 1969. Six hundred million people, or one fifth of mankind at the time, watched Neil Armstrong's first steps on the Moon. Three tracking stations were receiving the signals simultaneously. They were CSIRO's Parkes Radio Telescope, the Honeysuckle Creek tracking station outside Canberra, and NASA's Goldstone station in California. The signals were relayed to Mission Control at Houston. During the first few minutes of the broadcast, NASA alternated between the signals from its two stations at Goldstone and Honeysuckle Creek, searching for the best quality images. When they switched to the Parkes pictures, they were of such superior quality, that NASA remained with the Parkes TV pictures for the remainder of the 21/2-hour telecast. But it almost didn't happen. Photo CSIRO: The Parkes Telescope as it appeared in the early 1960's. In late 1968 NASA had asked for Parkes to be used in the Apollo 11 mission. The giant telescope would be the prime receiving station for the reception of telemetry and TV from the surface of the Moon. Using it also provided extra gain in signal strength from the Moon. This meant that during the tightly scheduled first moonwalk the astronauts would not have to spend time setting up a large antenna to get the necessary signal strength. The then Director of the Parkes Observatory, John Bolton, insisted on a one-line contract with NASA: "The [CSIRO] Radiophysics Division would agree to support the Apollo 11 mission". At 6:17 a.m. (AEST) on 21 July, astronauts Neil Armstrong and Edwin (Buzz) Aldrin landed their LM, Eagle, on the Sea of Tranquillity. It was still some seven hours before the Moon would have risen high enough to be seen from Parkes. The schedule required the astronauts to rest before attempting the moonwalk, by which time the Moon would have been high overhead at Parkes. However, Armstrong departed from the original plan, opting for an immediate moonwalk instead. To the astronomers at Parkes, it looked as though the moonwalk would be all over before the Moon even rose over Parkes. However, it took the astronauts such a long time to don their spacesuits and depressurise the LM cabin that as they left the module the Moon was just rising over Parkes. It seemed as though they would get the signals after all. But suddenly troubled loomed. While fully tipped over waiting for the Moon to rise, the telescope was struck by a series of severe, 110 km per hour gusts of wind, which made the control room shudder. The telescope was slammed back against its zenith axis gears. This was a dangerous situation, threatening the integrity of the telescope structure. Fortunately, cool heads prevailed, and as the winds abated, Buzz Aldrin activated the TV camera just as the Moon rose into the telescope's field of view, and tracking began. Using a less sensitive 'off-axis' detector, Parkes was able to receive the TV pictures just as the LM TV camera was switched on. Less than nine minutes later the Moon had risen into the field of view of the Parkes telescope's main detector. Because Parkes was a larger telescope, it captured more signal and so produced better pictures. Houston switched to Parkes and remained with those pictures for the rest of the 21/2-hour broadcast. Parkes staffer Neil 'Fox' Mason, who was seated at the control desk, drove the telescope without being allowed to once turn around and see the incoming pictures on the TV monitor. It was essential for him to monitor the tracking of the telescope, in case the winds picked up again, threatening the signal reception. The weather remained bad at Parkes, with the telescope operating well outside safety limits for the entire duration of the moonwalk. The signals were sent to Sydney via specially installed microwave links. From there the TV signal was split. One signal went to the Australian Broadcasting Commission (ABC) studios at Gore Hill for distribution to Australian television networks. The other went to Houston for inclusion in the international telecast. Because the international broadcast signal had to travel halfway around the world from Sydney to Houston via the INTELSAT geostationary communications satellite over the Pacific Ocean, a 300 millisecond delay was introduced to the signal. Australian audiences therefore witnessed the moonwalk, and Armstrong's historic first step, some 0.3 seconds before the rest of the world. This report endeavours to explain the circumstances of the Parkes Observatory's support of the Apollo 11 mission.www.parkes.atnf.csiro.au/apollo11

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reply to post by Ove38

I guess I am confused. I am not sure I fully understand what you are eluding to. Do you believe man has traveled in space but has not landed on the Moon?

Why is that so hard to believe? Would you be willing to identify specifically what makes you believe that man has not be to and walked on the Moon?

Here is a YouTube video which shows the LRV (Lunar Rover) operating on the Moon. What about this causes you to disbelieve?


Link to Astrobrant's YouTube video

Originally posted by Gibborium
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I guess I am confused. I am not sure I fully understand what you are eluding to. Do you believe man has traveled in space but has not landed on the Moon?

Why is that so hard to believe? Would you be willing to identify specifically what makes you believe that man has not be to and walked on the Moon?

Here is a YouTube video which shows the LRV (Lunar Rover) operating on the Moon. What about this causes you to disbelieve?

Link to Astrobrant's YouTube video

Here is a YouTube video which shows the LRV (Lunar Rover) operating in a studio stage


www.youtube.com...

Gibborium, it's a dummy in a remote controlled toy car ! The cables like the astronaut in the video, are completely stiff, like in a toy car !




These images were taken on Earth in a studio stage.
Stereoparallax evidence > www.aulis.com...

Do explain how they simulate the moons gravity then. Oh no, you can't...? Sorry I asked.

Originally posted by Ove38
What you believe was man landing on the moon, was in fact filmed in a simulator on earth.

How did they fake the 1/6G and vacuum environment on Earth? And I don't mean just for the Astronauts, but for everything.

Here is a YouTube video which shows the LRV (Lunar Rover) operating in a studio stage

If this was filmed in a studio on Earth. How did they prevent the lunar regolith from billowing in the air? It just shoots up and then falls right back down. On Earth, the finer, powdery dust would remain suspended in the air for a time.

Gibborium, it's a dummy in a remote controlled toy car ! The cables like the astronaut in the video, are completely stiff, like in a toy car !

Why should they be moving around? What's the cable made out of? How thick is it? Plus, I don't move around much in my car while I'm driving it, just my arms move while turning the steering wheel and that's about it. Why should the astronaut (who is wearing a stiff bulky space suit) be moving around?

reply to post by Ove38

present on the moon ?

To say, "you saw the rocket go" so they went to the moon, is LOL

It's called "object constancy." Most normal people develop it in infancy. Rocket go away, rocket come back. Rocket stays rocket.

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you should pay attention to the dust behaviour and maybe look at a youtube video of an RC car on loose dirt and note how it lingers on earth..

also why would NASA leave soo much equipment on the moon, when they should have expected one day in the near/distant future man will return to the moon whether it be 50 years or 1000 years.. they will return and than people will analyse the orientation of everything left on the moon by NASA.. why didnt NASA bring everything back?? wouldnt it be infinitely easier to hide them NOT being on the moon if they bring absolutely everything back?

why would they risk the descent stage being in the slightly wrong orientation/location and being caught out by some conspiracy theorist some 100years later?

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Please be so kind as to explain the projectile trajectory of the lunar regolith. This can only be done in a vacuum. The dust kicked up by the LRV does not create an aerosol, therefore, there cannot be an atmosphere.

And, I am assuming your arrows are supposedly pointing to wires for the remote control?

If this LRV EVA were just an RC car somewhere on Earth, it would look something like this:



Notice the aerosol kicked up by the tires of the RC cars. This is not happening with the LRV.

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Man, I always seem to be a day late and a dollar short. I leave in the middle of of my post to get a half price milkshake at SONIC and come back and post my reply and then find everything I was going to say, already said by you and the others. Good work men!

Originally posted by PsykoOps
Do explain how they simulate the moons gravity then. Oh no, you can't...? Sorry I asked.

By using a combination of slow motion, wires and tilted room (Changing Gravity Room Effect)

Originally posted by jra

Originally posted by Ove38
Gibborium, it's a dummy in a remote controlled toy car ! The cables like the astronaut in the video, are completely stiff, like in a toy car !

Why should they be moving around? What's the cable made out of? How thick is it? Plus, I don't move around much in my car while I'm driving it, just my arms move while turning the steering wheel and that's about it. Why should the astronaut (who is wearing a stiff bulky space suit) be moving around?

In this full size version, the cables are normal. What you see in the video is a remote controlled model car. Look at the "astronauts" left arm, its completely stiff like the cables the whole time. Its a dummy in a fake moon car.