Crop Circle story you've never heard from Williamsburg, VA

reply to post by HtownRocks111


FINALLY SOMETHING ABNORMAL IN VIRGINIA!!! well 60 years ago but still... besides the two random earthquakes, virginia hasnt gotten squat... unless someone can provide me with feedback on other things

Excellent thread, and excellent research work. Have nothing more to ad, except that is very exciting. S&F from me.
Threads like this keep me coming back here every day to dig through tons of worthless talks; thank you for posting it.

Originally posted by hossway17
reply to post by HtownRocks111

 

FINALLY SOMETHING ABNORMAL IN VIRGINIA!!! well 60 years ago but still... besides the two random earthquakes, virginia hasnt gotten squat... unless someone can provide me with feedback on other things

Or, perhaps Virginia might got more than you would think.

There are several books on the topic of mysteries in Virginia, displayed just alittle further below the featured book in the following link; www.amazon.com...

(If a Moderator would consider the tip in this post as being commercial and hence inappropriate, then please feel free to remove it )

Just checking satellite launches. This one probably didn't have anything to do with it:

Improve Samos 15 / KH-7 15
Spacecraft: OPS 4703 ; AFP-206 SV 965
Numbers: 1965 payload #8 ; 1965-005A ; 487th spacecraft.
Type: Reconnaissance
Sponsor: U.S. National Reconnaissance Office
Launch: 23 January 1965 at 20h09 UTC, from Vandenberg Air Force Base's PALC2-3,
by an Atlas-Agena D (Atlas 7102 / Agena D).
Orbit: 145 km x 291 km x 102.5°
Decayed: 29 January 1965 (5.2 days)

Originally posted by Th3MissingLink
I want to believe that they are some kind of message they are leaving behind.

So I will.

Some are to precise, to big, and are even opening doors to mathematical equations that haven't been or have been recently found. Let alone to be done in a few hours with such perfection.

I myself am facinated with these signs. They are an enigma that I have not yet solved.

Thier seems to be a correlation with sacred geometry and sound within them. A code or information someone or something is trying to tell us.

Thier also seems to be alot of astronomical signs within these glyphs such as alignments, eclipes, some look like star charts.

Thier have been some with what seems to be a written language that is ethier ancient or not our own.

Just recently they are finding what seems to be binary code within these intriging grassy gnolls.

The series of crop circles that blow my mind the one that left the disk's of metal buried within the centers of the bigger circles. one was pure gold, the other pure sliver, and the last was bronze or copper can't remember. I think they had an unknown writting on each disk or something like that also. The gold and silver ones were melted down from what I remember and the 3rd was lost if I remember right. Thier is photo and eye witness evidence but it has been said to be a hoax.

Expensive hoax considering the gold alone was estamated to be worth and couple hunderd thousand dollars at that time. I think happened in the 90's.

The problem is in order to crack the code you need to know what are the real ones and which are just artwork.

In the mist of all the confusion thier is a message and it seems as if TPTB doesn't want the masses to know.

I agree with you. I'm sure these have been copied by people, but there are many that seem way too complicated to be done between sunset and sunrise. It would be great if there was a team of top-notch talent that included a mathematician. a code breaker, maybe an astronomer to attempt to actually decode these messages using sound scientific principles instead of some Nostradamus-like conjecture.

Let me also tip my cap to the OP - looks like you actually did some homework before posting. And if you are up for it sounds like an exciting project to undertake - interviewing potential witnesses.

Originally posted by flashtrum

Originally posted by Th3MissingLink
I want to believe that they are some kind of message they are leaving behind.

So I will.

Some are to precise, to big, and are even opening doors to mathematical equations that haven't been or have been recently found. Let alone to be done in a few hours with such perfection.

I myself am facinated with these signs. They are an enigma that I have not yet solved.

Thier seems to be a correlation with sacred geometry and sound within them. A code or information someone or something is trying to tell us.

Thier also seems to be alot of astronomical signs within these glyphs such as alignments, eclipes, some look like star charts.

Thier have been some with what seems to be a written language that is ethier ancient or not our own.

Just recently they are finding what seems to be binary code within these intriging grassy gnolls.

The series of crop circles that blow my mind the one that left the disk's of metal buried within the centers of the bigger circles. one was pure gold, the other pure sliver, and the last was bronze or copper can't remember. I think they had an unknown writting on each disk or something like that also. The gold and silver ones were melted down from what I remember and the 3rd was lost if I remember right. Thier is photo and eye witness evidence but it has been said to be a hoax.

Expensive hoax considering the gold alone was estamated to be worth and couple hunderd thousand dollars at that time. I think happened in the 90's.

The problem is in order to crack the code you need to know what are the real ones and which are just artwork.

In the mist of all the confusion thier is a message and it seems as if TPTB doesn't want the masses to know.

I agree with you. I'm sure these have been copied by people, but there are many that seem way too complicated to be done between sunset and sunrise. It would be great if there was a team of top-notch talent that included a mathematician. a code breaker, maybe an astronomer to attempt to actually decode these messages using sound scientific principles instead of some Nostradamus-like conjecture.

Let me also tip my cap to the OP - looks like you actually did some homework before posting. And if you are up for it sounds like an exciting project to undertake - interviewing potential witnesses.

If you'd like to know roughly how long a very complicated design takes to make, contact the guys from CircleMakers. They have been behind some of the most complicated designs that I have ever seen. I know that some of the more complicated ones take the team only a few hours, but you'll have to contact them directly to get more accurate information. You can also view pictures and video on their website.

reply to post by HtownRocks111


That area is still underpopulated. The city of Williamsburg where the colonial area is and where Busch Gardens is is very urban but just a few miles to the north and you're back in farm country.

There are two outlet malls in Williamsburg. The Williamsburg Outlet Mall and Prime Outlets of Williamsburg. I cant remember which one is further up rt 60 from the Pottery area to know which area the OP is talking about. Lightfoot, Toano and Williamsburg have zig zaggy boarders out that way.

Oh yeah, I live here .
I see that a few others live nearby too. I wish we could all get together and research this as a group.
Ya know meet at the Friendlys on Rt 60 near Busch Gardens. ( dont order the Reuben sandwich, it takes them 45 minutes)

reply to post by SilentKillah


Ok so this happened at the Prime Outlets. I wasnt sure if it was there or at Williamsburg Outlet mall. Thats the smaller one thats all indoors. I like Prime better. Nicer stores but hell in the winter because its all outside.
I think that mall was built in the 80's some time. I've only lived here since 91 and it was already there when I moved here.
The problem is finding old timers that lived here then. The whole area is military and folks come and go. Its a constant flow of new people into the area and old people getting shipped out to other forts.
I dont know anyone who lived here back then. My oldest friend in the area has been here since the 80's. He just retired last week and he lives out near Lightfoot on the northern side of Williamsburg. I will ask him if he knows anyone in his neighborhood who might have lived here back then.

Originally posted by HtownRocks111
I should also add that I have contacted every news/newspaper outlet to every radio station from Richmond to Virginia Beach and only received one response from a radio station in Norfolk saying they have no record of this story.

I spoke with one gentleman a few weeks ago and he didn't remember the story personally, but he had a few friends that have lived here their entire lives who are in their 60's so he called them for me. One of them says he remembers a story going around in the 60's that circles were made in some private property fields by kids riding go-karts. That sounds right on point like something the government would tell the general public

There is another fellow in town researching this story. He is a historian from Richmond, VA and claims he knows a family separate from the ones I've talked to who has the same crop circle story. I need to try and talk to these people myself.

Well ya know GoCarts Plus is right down the street from there ! I wonder if they were there back then ?

Originally posted by relocator
I will ask around as well...I spent 30 plus years growing up in Richmond, VA. Never heard the story before. Interesting..Now I know why there's a Go-Kart Racing Track at the Lightfoot Exit off I-64.

Source

I would always notice the Lightfoot go kart exit off I-64 because I always wanted to stop and ride em.

Hardly worth the gas to get off the exit. Its another 5 minutes from there to GoKarts Plus. Small track, two or three other rides and over priced soda and hamburgers and hardly any shade. You didnt miss anything. Was Water Country there when you lived in VA ? Thats a destination worth traveling to. Richmond is not exactly around the corner from Williamsburg but its not real far either. I am in Hampton.

reply to post by Xtraeme


I think the paper is the Virginia Pilot. Its still published today. The logo looks right.

And the OP is saying this was from the Virginia Gazette. That was a Williamsburg newspaper a very local publication. Not even a statewide one like the Pilot that I mentioned.

Originally posted by hossway17
reply to post by HtownRocks111

 

FINALLY SOMETHING ABNORMAL IN VIRGINIA!!! well 60 years ago but still... besides the two random earthquakes, virginia hasnt gotten squat... unless someone can provide me with feedback on other things

Theres been something abnormal in Virginia since 1991. Thats when I moved here. LOL.

reply to post by flyswatter


The guys from circlemakers are talented, but they got the idea from seeing other crop circles - they are not responsible for many of the (genuine) circles that appear each year.

And they seem to do very well, in a commercial sense, from making crop circles for advertisers.

Circlemakers - List of Paid Employment

They are muddying the waters. Real circles display effects which cannot be reproduced with teams of guys carrying ropes and planks...

On the microscopic level, abnormal enlargement of cell wall pits in bract tissue (a thin membrane which surrounds the seed- head and through which nutrients pass to the developing seed) were found. This examination utilizes the optical microscope and is quite time-consuming and, although useful in the early, exploratory stages of the research, was replaced when equally reliable criteria were subsequently discovered.

Enlarged (both laterally and longitudinally) plant stem nodes - the fibrous "knucle-like" protuberances found spaced along the plant stem beneath the seed-head, technically called "pulvini." Although these nodes are sometimes enlarged both laterally (they are "fatter") and longitudinally (they are "stretched"), extensive laboratory work has determined that it is the node elongation (the stretching) that is a permanent effect caused by the formation energies - and so this is the parameter now used.

In some crop formations the energy system involved is intense enough to cause bending of this apical (top) node (although pronounced node bending is much more commonly found at the lower nodes on the plant stem). In a few cases we have found severe apical node bending in conjunction with marked stretching of the node. As the example, below, illustrates the node elongation in such cases is clearly in addition to that caused by the bending of the node tissues.

Marked bending of the plant stem nodes which can occur at all of the nodes in some cases, is most often observed in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th nodes down toward the bottom of the stalks. It does occasionally occur in the first, or apical node beneath the seed-head (see above). Usually this bending (if it is determined to be significant after ruling out natural plant recovery processes) is in the range of 45-90 degrees and considerable care must be taken to not confuse this node bending with two well-known plant recovery processes:

(1) phototropism (the plant's natural tendency to reorient itself to sunlight)
(2) gravitropism (the plant's natural tendency to reorient itself to the earth's gravitational field).

Depending upon the growth-stage of the plant at the time it is downed (whether it is young or old) and the species of crop involved, these natural recovery processes - phototropism and gravitropism - begin to take effect within days. Therefore node bending can only be understood as significant when it is known how old the affected crop was at the time the crop circle occurred and, particularly, how many days have elapsed since then. [Young barley, for instance, begins recovery to the up-right position almost immediately and will show significant node bending within a week; young wheat tends to recover slightly more slowly. And mature crop may not reorient itself at all, depending on the amount of vigor inherent in the plants.] But when crop circles are known to have formed during a specific time period and are found within 24-48 hrs., and significant node bending (40° +) is observed, this is an effect that can be attributed to the causative energy system. In some cases canola (rape-seed) plants have been observed to be bent at a full 180°.

Bending at the base of the plant stem is a totally separate condition which is thought by many people to indicate that any formation in which it is found is "genuine" (not mechanically flattened). This type of bending is found at the very bottom of the stem, where it comes out of the earth, and is often quite pronounced.

Expulsion cavities (holes blown out at one or several of the plant stem nodes) are most often found in the 2nd node beneath the seed- head. However, in recent years they are being seen also in the 3rd and 4th nodes down the plant stem, as well as occasionally occurring in the top (apical) node. These holes are thought to be one of the plant abnormalities caused by exposure to microwave radiation which -- particularly in circles which occur in young, green crop -- instantly turns the plant's internal moisture to steam. If the microwaves are intense enough -- and the amount of moisture at the stem node great enough -- the rapidly expanding steam in these lower nodes can only escape by blowing holes out through the tough external fibers in these lower nodes.

SOURCE - check the pics

reply to post by FlyInTheOintment

Stunted, malformed seeds and germination effects. There are four basic changes to the seeds and germination capability in crop circle plants documented so far. These radically different reproductive effects depend upon the species of crop involved, the growth phase of the plants at the time the crop circle occurs, and the composition and intensity level of the energy system involved (which appears to differ slightly within each event as well as from event to event):

(a) If the crop circle occurs prior to anthesis (the flowering of the plant) and the development of the seed, the somatic (non-reproductive) tissue of the plant will continue to develop normally -- but seed development ceases or is impaired. Normally-formed glumes have been found which are totally devoid of seeds.

(b) When crop circles occur at a slightly later growth stage, in young crop where the seed is still forming, the developing embryo fails to grow normally. These seeds will be visually stunted (smaller), will weigh less than their controls, and will exhibit reduced or repressed germination. Here, the reproductive capacity of the plant has been compromised.


(c) When crop circles occur in more mature plants, where the embryo is fully formed or nearly so, the seeds will again be visually stunted and will weigh less than normal, but the effects on reproduction vary. One effect observed has been an alteration in normal growth-habit of the developing seedlings: in species which have a normal variability of growth at particular stages, this variability has been lost -- with the result being that all of the germinating seeds exhibit synchronized growth.

(d) Finally, when crop circles occur in mature plants with fully formed seeds, these seeds often exhibit a statistically significant massive increase in growth rate and vigor, with growth-rate up to five times the rate of the control seeds. Further, these seedlings can tolerate extreme stress (lack of water and/or light) for considerable periods of time without apparent harm.

The plant aberrations described above are thought to be caused by exposure of the plants to a complex atmospheric plasma energy system which is emitting heat (probably microwaves) in association with unusual electrical pulses and strong magnetic fields. The microwave component heats up the internal moisture in the plant stems (even mature crop nearing harvest contains some moisture), turning it to steam. In younger crop, where the external fibers are more elastic, the steam seeps out at the nodes by stretching these fibers; in older crop, where the external fibers are tougher and less elastic, the build-up of steam explodes out from the nodes, creating the holes subsequently found. The final effects on the individual plants depend upon a number factors, including the complexity and intensity level of the microwave component (which varies in each event and from location to location within any given crop circle), the modifying influence of the electrical pulses also involved, as well as the species, variety and age of the plants involved.

There's more on the site itself, but the above serves as a decent introduction to the level of research going on..

SOURCE - check the pics, graphs etc

reply to post by FlyInTheOintment


Double post DAGNAMMIT - servers, please remain operational. These 503's are getting annoying. Thanks.

Hey Htownrocks, I've lived in Williamsburg since before I had childhood memories and never heard anything of the such from my grandparents or their older friends. If you could please try and get in contact with me I would appreciate it, Its hard to find people in this small, wealthy conservative town who aren't afraid to talk about conspiracy theories and such. I also learned a few years back while trying to get a Job a a shop in the Outlet Mall that the majority of the shops, possibly the entire mall is funded by a group of housewives and investors in Fords Colony, I have no way to confirm this though.

reply to post by FlyInTheOintment


By no means am I saying they are personally responsible for all circles. There are also other groups that do the same kind of thing, but I am using CircleMakers as a reference.

And you are correct, they do very well with being hired to do circles for companies. They started doing this after some of their design (and execution) talent was seen and recognized as a potentially great marketing tool.

As far as crop abnormalities, there really isnt an explanation for it that I've seen. The site that you provided goes a long way in explaining what the abnormalities are, but they dont have any sort of verification as to what causes it (then again, nether do we).

My main point was that from the design aspect, there are no crop circles out there that humans are incapable of making. Groups such as CircleMakers are perfectly capable of both designing and putting down anything that has been seen.

Originally posted by HilarityEnsues
Hey Htownrocks, I've lived in Williamsburg since before I had childhood memories and never heard anything of the such from my grandparents or their older friends. If you could please try and get in contact with me I would appreciate it, Its hard to find people in this small, wealthy conservative town who aren't afraid to talk about conspiracy theories and such. I also learned a few years back while trying to get a Job a a shop in the Outlet Mall that the majority of the shops, possibly the entire mall is funded by a group of housewives and investors in Fords Colony, I have no way to confirm this though.

Hi there...

Shoot me an email at PChildres at gmail dot com I will respond to you. Thanks alot.

I don't know if anyone has brought this up but there were big UFO flaps in Virginia in 64-65. It apparently started in the Shenandoah Valley.

Originally posted by LucidDreamer85

Originally posted by caladonea
reply to post by HtownRocks111

 

Thank you for creating this thread. You have gotten me so curious...about what else happened in the 60's.

From what it sounds like, the 60's were one big experiment.

From this decade on things were drastically different. The way of thinking blossoming in the 60's was like a mini Renaissance.

Baby in the cardboard box, carload of hippies with eyes like saucers passing in AWE over the Golden Gate Bridge to destinies unknown - oh to have been there!

Originally posted by stirling
reply to post by caladonea

 

Its a truely promising thread with leads for maybe more iformation to come....S&F fer you OP!
But as far as the sixties goes..........?
Well, ya just hadda be there ...........i remember driving across the Golden Gate ,,.. in the old fifty two dodge, all decorated with ferns and greenery...... five of us with eyes like saucers and a twelve day old baby boy in a cardboard box on the front seat....hello San Francisco............whooooeee!
ya really had to be there.....