found it - here you go - what if 20 million illegals left the USA

reply to post by FeatherofMaat


That would depend on what you consider illegal. Most of the higher numbers include their children because if you deport the parents, they usually take their 5year old legal Americans with them. Ya know.. the whole anchor baby thing..

Originally posted by Wildmanimal
reply to post by 1BornPatriot

 

The solution is to create an accelerated U.S. Citizenship Policy.
That way 20+ million more people pay into Uncle Sam's Tax and Social Security Plan.

But your forgetting one thing.

We don't want them here!

Anyone who comes here illegally without proper documents and consent from both their country of origin and the US.. in other words.. those who have to Break a Law to get here - Do Not deserve to be here. They have already proven themselves Criminals and I for one don't want to pat any criminals on the back and give them a key to our cities.

Oh and BTW, illegals are already paying Uncle Sam in taxes AND ripping Uncle Sam back off with illegal child income tax credit. To the tune of Billions a year.

Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by Lostmymarbles

 

Most are being paid under the table. Most are using false SS numbers and getting loans and houss under somone else name.

How much money would be saved in legal dispustes and criminal investigations.

Tons of people do that, illegal and legal.

I know a lot of people (white americans) who get paid under the table so that they wont be taxed.

Con artist steal SS numbers and get loans and houses under other people's names. Politicians increase taxes so they can buy a bigger house.

How come everyone is pointing at the illegals? Point one finger and you got 3 pointing back at you.

The article merely states the obvious. Those people have no business being in the country. They should be in their respective homelands and fix their own problems so they can succeed in their own lives and make their places habitable.

One factor that's not discussed is the personal and psychological factors that come together with these matters. Having traveled to third world countries these are what I noticed.

1) Appearance - One of the reasons why Americans and Europeans detest the massive influx of newcomers into their homelands is the slovenly, impoverished and very different appearance of the immigrants. People by nature want to associate with their own kind, so problems arise when scenarios above are created over and over again, year after year. If most Mexicans immigrating to America look like Antonio Banderas or Monica Bellucci then Americans generally wouldn't mind, but everyone knows that isn't the case.

It also makes one wonder why immigrants would want to move to a hostile and foreign environment when they can be in their own homelands with people who share the same appearance, culture, and upbringing as theirs. Now I can understand why someone who looks like Brad Pitt would want to leave a poor Mexican neighborhood he comes from and go to the States as he feels out of place there, but if someone who looks like Mario the local gardener would want to go to Los Angeles and go through all the hassle, what for? Sure, they assemble in communities so they won't feel out of place in their immediate surroundings, but the strain and pressure of discrimination and being looked down on is just too much for most to take. It's no surprise many of them resort to crime and develop a deep resentment for America as they know they'll never be accepted in the establishment. Even if they were welcomed with open arms they'd still resent their hosts and benefactors, as they know their ilk did not create the country and they come from an impoverished and currently insignificant one in contrast.

So why do they still come? One major factor is the one that follows.


2) Sex and Prestige - Many times I've heard non-white parents telling their kids: "Go to North America or Europe and marry a blonde, blue-eyed person so I can have pretty grandkids". So not only are Westerners forced to become the financial benefactors of those people, they're desired as sperm banks too! To non-whites it's a chance for them not only to raise their social and financial status, it's also to "improve their genes". As most of them are not much to look at, they'll settle for dorky Bob and dowdy Jane, feeling they've got one leg up in society while deeply resenting the fact that they'll never get the best.

3) Power - One reality I've noticed is the amount of white-envy prevalent in all non-white countries. There's a deep, barely concealed resentment and grudge against western dominance and success throughout the non-white world that's equally understandable and bizarre at the same time. Don't be fooled by Arabs burning the American flag and threatening Jihad; in the Middle East they'll hire the first white they can get their hands on at the expense of their own when it comes to jobs. In Asia they'll endlessly harp about the evils of colonialism while typing text messages on their western-created cellphones. The self-loathing torment non-whites have is what makes them dangerous to have in the West, as displacing whites from power and turning them into subjects to abuse is the only way for them to lessen their inferiority complex, even if they're aware that the decline of white rule will result in white countries devolving into third world status.

It's the factors above and more which primarily explain why most immigrants in the West have an angry, chip on the shoulder look to them which is dangerous if left to fester and grow.

reply to post by Lostmymarbles


We would loose nothing in tax revenues. With 24% of all working age americans out of work at this time, Immagine if these folks were able to begin working these jobs, paying income taxes and social security. Do not say U.S. citizens will not do this sort of work. I have on many occasions. Remember the cleaning company in New England where over two hundred illegals were arrested and deported? The very next day they recieved over five hundred applications from Americans ( and by that I dont mean Norte Americanos, but citizens of Los Estados Unitos).

Originally posted by Lostmymarbles

Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by Lostmymarbles

 

Most are being paid under the table. Most are using false SS numbers and getting loans and houss under somone else name.

How much money would be saved in legal dispustes and criminal investigations.

Tons of people do that, illegal and legal.

I know a lot of people (white americans) who get paid under the table so that they wont be taxed.

Con artist still SS numbers and get loans and houses under other people's names. Politicians increase taxes so they can buy a bigger house.

How come everyone is pointing at the illegals? Point one finger and you got 3 pointing back at you.

I can't speak for Americans but here in Oz we point the finger cause they are criminals from the start, why wouldn't we point a finger at criminals and if 3 criminals point back stick them on the same plane out.

We have major problems here with immigration policy & mandatory detention and these criminals know full well how to rort the system when they get her.

What the hell your illegals pay rent and buy groceries? boy did they get on the wrong boat ours get all that for free from us tax payers as well as their cigarettes, health care education, legal fees and even a HARDSHIP ALOWANCE for frig sake we give them more than our own pensioner & vets get.
While we are kicking them out can we send the tiny number of do gooders who constantly complain about the state of immigration here with them.

If you watch msm it's all our fault to, they come up with some classic stuff like tonight we have a show on called Drunk, Racist, & Australian which had to be funded by some Islamic community GTFO. Last one they paraded an illegal in front of the camera who was a well educated individual and he gave his sob story about how he came here and was taken straight to a detention centre and ohh the inhumanity of the Australian people. Really you broke the law illegally & covertly entered a foreign country and it shocks you your first stop wasn't the Hilton.

For every person we let in who did the wrong thing we have to say no to one who did the right thing, maybe these do gooders should be sent to the refugee camps to explain to the poor family who did everything right that they can't come cause someone did something wrong. How is that fair or encouraging appropriate behaviour.

Jump que move to the back of the line thank you no exceptions.

We could save millions just on what they burn down every year.
The US still alows anchor babies we atleast caned that one a while back.

reply to post by 1BornPatriot


If 20 million illegals left this country, many of these businesses will either outsource jobs, or cut them all together because of the cost of hiring American citizens. And then the self proclaimed libertarians and righties will come in and cut minimum wage. Then many of us will start taking the places of illigal aliens. See i support strengthening our borders, but the solution to this problem starts with the push factor for illigals, willing businesses.

I've always wondered...if it was an economically depressed Great Britain at our southern border, would be people be as concerned?

I live in Southern California and I know first hand, remove the illegals and the southern states of CA, AZ, NM, TX, and probably a few others would completely collapse.

Our government ALLOWS the illegal population; practically leaves the door open and the light on for illegal immigration! Follow the money and the conspiracy and it's intended effect becomes plain as day.

American Citizens that take their anger out on illegals have some seriously displaced aggression.
While we're out securing the borders of middle eastern countries, ours has an open door policy

Originally posted by 1BornPatriot
I have mixed feeling on the subject - if an illegal wants to become American - wants to work hard and raise a family and make my country better - I'm for that -- now if you want to sneek in and take advantage of a loop hole and bascially dont want to be American - Get the hell out. we got enough people to take care of. and we dont need your help in making it harder for the rest of us ...

And were preplaced by 20 million others that paid for a work visa.

For every illegal in this country there are 10 (100?) others that would love to come here and work legally. Why are those that break the law so special over so many others what would be hard workers too but can't due to all the illegals already here.

I think it is illogical to think there would ever be a void in this country even if all 20 million left tomorrow...

reply to post by Nightwalk


What a strange, scary, point of view...do you actually believe this tripe? You call yourself a traveler?

Ya know, I bet it's hard to see the beauty (and the oppression) of people of other lands when looking down through the glare of a pale nose...

Originally posted by LostMyMarbles(questions portion)
Reply to FlyersFan's answers
How much money would the US lose out on?

Not a whole lot.

Really? Because last I checked economics, if you removed 20 million people, you lose out on all the tax revenue from selling gas, smokes, beer, clothes, food, etc etc, that's a lot of money you'll never see again because you won't have 20 million people spending money.

How many years do you and your family have to live here to be considered legal?

Length of time here has nothing to do with legal status. Not a darn thing.

Length of time does have a factor into the legal status, because those who are upset at the "illegals" were once illegals themselves or their family members were. The only difference is now you have to fill out a book to become "legal" and back then you just had to get onto dry land. So length of time is a factor when you consider how one applied to become a citizen then and now.

What makes those who's families were once illegals better then the current illegals?

Who said anyone was 'better'? Reading your question ... both groups are legal so no problem.

Actually the second group in that question would be illegals trying to become legal citizens. The first group are families who were once illegal that became legal, and now feel that illegals need to get the "boot" because they're no longer in that category. Thus the "better" part.

Why is one group allowed to stay and another forced to leave?

Hello? If someone is here legally, they stay. If someone is here illegally, they go.
What's so hard to understand?

Did you even read the question or considered looking into a history book to see what I meant by it?

First you need to understand the difference between an illegal and a legal alien as matters in terms of North American.

If your Native American your legal, if your not Native American your illegal. Most people who consider themselves legal are of European decent and now they want Mexicans out of America. And if you think about it, Mexicans are Native Americans, they use to own Texas to California, therefore they are more "legal" then those who are considering them "illegal" and trying to force them out...again...and again...and again...

Who has the right to tell the person who came years after him that he's an illegal and not allowed in?

Do you understand what it takes to be legal in this country? Doesn't sound like it. Sneaking across the border makes someone ILLEGAL. Filling out the proper paperwork and waiting for an opening before staying makes someone LEGAL. Get it?

Do "YOU" understand what it takes to be legal in this country?

In the past all you had to do was step on this country to be legal. Don't believe me, look up Ellis Island and other places where people just came on through and was now a citizen without needing to fill out any paperwork or "proper" paperwork, they just got on a boat and came here. They were given a health check and asked for their name which was written in a book and then poof they're citizens.

Those who weren't stowaways just went to their country's ticket booth and got a ticket to America and became citizens by stepping onto dry land. Where is the proper paperwork there? Buying the ticket considered paperwork?

Because they changed the system and made it insanely harder now compared to the past, how does that justify those families whom got it easy more "legal" then those who have to currently wait up to 10 years? Many illegals don't sneak into this country, they come here the legal way but are still considered "illegal" because the process to become "legal" went from 1 day to 10 years.

What are the proper channels? Getting on a boat and coming to dry land? Putting your name in a book?

While reading these questions did you even consider how America's history is tied to "illegals" that came to this country?

What paperwork did the Quakers, Puritans, and all the other religious groups that came here during the 16th-17th century fill out to be "legal"?

Who is going to replace all the workers in agriculture?
People sitting on their duffs collecting welfare who are able bodied and could actually be working.
There are PLENTY of those folks around. No problem.

If so then why is it not being done now? California and Florida have a shortage of agricultural workers, which is one of the reasons why food prices for produce are so high.

You never really answered any of the questions.

The part about what if they passed a law that stated if you cannot trace your lineage back 200 years your now considered an "illegal" was a food for thought question because most people who are against "illegals" cannot trace their lineage that far back.

The other questions I asked for more geared towards the poster of this thread.

You Invade a foriegn land, you massacre its indigenous people to extinction, then create laws that deem the indigenous people as the outsiders and have the audacity to call them Illegals and aliens... absolutely genius.

reply to post by shortywarn


Did you know only a small percentage of "illegals" are doing that? Most are giving into the system and never seeing it again. So if you think about it, the "illegals" collecting the fraud are actually collecting the money from the other "illegals" whom do not file taxes or get refunds. And I'm pretty sure the number for those not collecting is larger then those that do collect. So tax payers are not really paying for it and the US government still makes money from all those that do not files tax refunds.

Did you know that politicians have spent almost all the money in Social Security, which is why they having been raising the age limits? Which means "legal" politicians are taking away your retirement options, not "illegals".

Originally posted by hequick
reply to post by Lostmymarbles

 

We would loose nothing in tax revenues. With 24% of all working age americans out of work at this time, Immagine if these folks were able to begin working these jobs, paying income taxes and social security. Do not say U.S. citizens will not do this sort of work. I have on many occasions. Remember the cleaning company in New England where over two hundred illegals were arrested and deported? The very next day they recieved over five hundred applications from Americans ( and by that I dont mean Norte Americanos, but citizens of Los Estados Unitos).

They did the same thing in several states with farmers. They raided the farms and took all the "illegals" out.

Right now there is a big problem with farmers because most of their produce are going bad because no one wants to work for minimal wage picking fruits. Many farmers even increased the pay to 10-15 an hour and still no one is applying. This has caused food prices to go up and up and up. Farmers are having trouble finding enough workers now that all the "illegals" were taken.

How can this problem be resolved? It's been a year and still many of these farmers are needing lots of help but no one is applying for these jobs.

Originally posted by odd1out
I've always wondered...if it was an economically depressed Great Britain at our southern border, would be people be as concerned?

I live in Southern California and I know first hand, remove the illegals and the southern states of CA, AZ, NM, TX, and probably a few others would completely collapse.

Our government ALLOWS the illegal population; practically leaves the door open and the light on for illegal immigration! Follow the money and the conspiracy and it's intended effect becomes plain as day.

American Citizens that take their anger out on illegals have some seriously displaced aggression.
While we're out securing the borders of middle eastern countries, ours has an open door policy

What about the Canadians? I wonder how many of them are "illegally" crossing the border. They probably dont keep those statistics, and if they did, I'm not it's not even closely accurate.

During WW1 and WW2, Germans were coming to the states in countless waves. The US government was unable to stop it because the Germans were white and blended in. Which is why there were only containment camps during the world were for the Japanese because they were not able to blend in.

Found these articles dealing with Canada's border. Apparently that's the border we need to be watching out for.

Canadaupdates.com

Canadaupdates.com

Observer.com

reply to post by artnut


Well yeah it is estimated but I highly doubt it is 10 million more then what the gov expects.

Given the fact that a few weeks ago the minority birthrate passed the white birthrate, you can't really say that this is not a factor. It is.

The Hispanic birth rate was up, not minority. Hispanic isn't a race. You can be white, black, or mixed and still be hispanic. There are a ton of Mexicans that have a European lineage, therefore white. Just like a lot of people from the Dominican Republic are black with african lineages but would still be considered hispanic. White people still make up 70% of the US population.

Racial population according to the US census

Non-Hispanic White - 63.7 %

White Hispanic - 8.7 %

Non-Hispanic Black or African American - 12.2 %

Black or African American Hispanic - 0.4 %

Some Other Race Hispanic - 6.0 %

Two or more races Hispanic - 1.0 %

The total population of Hispanic and Latino Americans comprised 50.5 million or 16.3% of the national total in 2010.

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by gimme_some_truth

 

That is pretty funny. Considering you can't realistically judge whether or not some one does drugs, by the clothes they choose to wear, their hair style and other such accessories.

I'm sorry, I don't know what made me LMAO after reading your statement and looking at your John Lennon avatar! I felt something ironic about this statement.

Sorry for interrupting...carry on!

Sterio-type much>? Pretty rude comment there ms!!

Originally posted by juleol

Originally posted by Kastogere
Make em all legal, force them to learn english, then sick the IRS on em for not paying back taxes on income earned while in country.

That'll have em going home in troves......the smart ones anyway.

At least would separate the leechers from those who have a honest job and give back to society.
So I am all for that as well. And every immigrant should learn the language of the country they migrate to in imo.

Thats the way my brood did it, and the brood before them. Assimilate is the way it is for most countries to begin with. Why should we be any different?

If 20 million illegals left the USA...then we must have entered into some sort of odd twilight zone where more people can leave a country that are actually in it.

The current estimate is somewhere around 10 million illegal immigrants.

But..I realize this isn't a factual thread...so continue on with your fantasy numbers.

reply to post by Helious

According to the census...... ROFLMFAO . Yeah, cause all illegals let the census guy into there house and tell them how many people actually live there....... Worst troll I have seen THIS YEAR.

LMFAO at your ignorance. The census does more than knock on peoples doors, it creates estimates of populations based off gathered data.

www.census.gov...
www.dhs.gov...
www.census.gov...
www.census.gov...

Here is an estimate from the DHS, happy?

The unauthorized immigrant population totaled 11.5 million in 2011 (see Figure 1). The DHS revised 2010 unauthorized estimate is 11.6 million, indicating little change in the size of the unauthorized population between 2010 and 2011.