Realy Gaza, a little Palestinian girl explains

reply to post by Rocsgirl

reply to post by g146541


You really want me to beat a dead horse, an indecent that accrued 45 years ago ?

During the First Lebanon War in 1982, an Israeli Phantom jet pilot mistakenly identified IDF tanks as Syrian. More than 20 soldiers were killed.
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In 2010 Ross Kemp captured the moment three British soldiers were killed by a 'friendly fire' American bomb blast in Afghanistan
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July 2010 Five Afghan soldiers killed by American friendly fire
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23 September 1950: During the "Battle of Hill 282", three USAF P-51 Mustang aircraft attacked a position held by British Army of 1st Battalion, Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders, with guns and napalm, killing 17 and wounding 76.

6 April 2003: BBC World Affairs Editor John Simpson and members of his crew were injured when a bomb dropped from a U.S. F-15 aircraft hit a friendly Kurdish and U.S. Special Forces convoy, killing 15 people, including BBC translator Kamaran Abdurazaq Muhamed

Shall I continue ?
That is before I start with this old chewed to death argument of the USS Liberty and how some of the witnesses changed their story all of a sudden.

WAR IS HELL. People get killed, sometimes by a friendly fire. Get over it.

reply to post by gravitational


All of these incidents very easily explained as friendly fire in the heat of the moment.
The terrorist state of israel after HOURS of reconnaissance opened fire on an allied ship, this was not a mistake it was deliberate.
The terrorist state of israel has a history of killing innocents such as the OP suggests.
One who supports the terrorist state of israel supports the murder of innocent American troops and Palestinian babies, quite simple.
The bombing of gaza is not an act of friendly fire but deliberate murder of any possible targets of opportunity.

reply to post by Rocsgirl


You may be joking, I don't know, but I see the same suffering that you do. The problem is, who is responsible for the suffering?

reply to post by gravitational


They make good use of the international aid they receive - which is MANIFOLD TIMES MORE than any other refugee group in human history.

If Hamas actually made responsible use of the money they receive (of course UNRWA is the party mainly responsible, since all international aid passes through them; but when has the UN ever been more concerned about humanitarian issues when some greater political agenda dominates their attention??) Gaza wouldn't look so slum like. But they don't. The money either goes into the bank accounts of leading Hamas-Fatah officials (take Arafats wife, who lives off the hundreds of millions of dollars stolen from aid packages in Paris, France) or into buying very expensive weapons, m-15s, rpg etc....

They don't give a flying # because they want Israel REMOVED. Any compromise that doesn't lead to the extirpation of the Jewish state is the "fault of the Israeli's" for not wanting to enter negotiations.

reply to post by gravitational


Hi Gravi, long time no chat

You really want me to beat a dead horse, an indecent that accrued 45 years ago ?

During the First Lebanon War in 1982, an Israeli Phantom jet pilot mistakenly identified IDF tanks as Syrian. More than 20 soldiers were killed.
www.jpost.com...

IDF commander: We fired more than a million cluster bombs in Lebanon

Phosphorous and cluster bombs heavily used; unexploded munitions litter wide area of Lebanon.



What we did was insane and monstrous, we covered entire towns in cluster bombs," the head of an IDF rocket unit in Lebanon said regarding the use of cluster bombs and phosphorous shells during the war.

Quoting his battalion commander, the rocket unit head stated that the IDF fired around 1,800 cluster bombs, containing over 1.2 million cluster bomblets.

Why must you ride the high horse at all times?

The children of Palestine and Lebanon are still dealing with these cluster bombs and you make it seem like they deserve it.

"War is hell" right?

There is a big difference between war and savage occupation.

Any time a victim from the frontlines courageously explains their story, you and several others are quick to desensitize us to their struggle.

You should be ashamed.

reply to post by Corruption Exposed


Hi corrupted,

The year is 2012. Israel DOESN'T use cluster bombs and haven't since the lebanon war.

Try staying topical and relevant for a change.

Get ready for the pro-israel shills, and all the anti-semantic comments OP.

Israel wonders why they have an occasional bomb hitting them because of the concentration camp harboring 1.5 million people in Gaza. It has no infrastrucutre, no clean water, and they're living on emegency rations.

On top of that, Israel still performs racial cleansing weekly. Funny thing is, since Israel has been taken over by the Zionist Regime, Israel is the most unsafe place to be for a Jew.

reply to post by dontreally


My post was on topic and relevant to Gravitational's hate fueled rant.

How about you take your advice and try getting back on topic?

Your bias on this Gaza scenario makes it difficult to have civil discussion so I will try my best to not take the bait and will also do my best to focus on the information put forth in the OP.

Children are being killed and you make it seem as if it's unimportant news and try to justify it with your extreme rhetoric. Forget which side you're on for a minute and think of all the dead children being slaughtered by the high and mighty IDF.

Are you honestly that cold hearted?

reply to post by Kang69

reply to post by dontreally

The year is 2012. Israel DOESN'T use cluster bombs and haven't since the lebanon war.

No but they still use white phosphorous.

And those cluster bombs still litter the ground in certain parts of Gaza and Lebanon.

But you don't care about that because it doesn't fit your agenda.

reply to post by Kang69

It has no infrastrucutre, no clean water, and they're living on emegency rations.

And Israel is to blame for that? Is Hamas - the government in Gaza - not responsible for their shoddy infrastructure?? Do you not realize that the PA receives more humanitarian per refugee than any other people, EVER, in the history of humanity?

Where do you think these millions of dollars go? Into the coffers of Hamas-Fatah officials, into 300 million dollar weapons packages to shoot more "home-made" (read RPG) rockets, hundreds at a time, at Israel's southern cities.

Forbes back in 2002 estimated Yasser Arafats personal wealth as upwards of 300 million. Knowing, full well how obscenely immoral Palestinian leaders are, it's astounding to me that upon hearing this information more people don't reassess their views on this subject.

On top of that, Israel still performs racial cleansing weekly

Oh.... REALLY? prove that statement with some facts. Good luck.

Here is a short film that points out the similarities between Apartheid South Africa, and current day Israel:



To deny the valid comparison would be idiotic.

reply to post by Corruption Exposed

Children are being killed and you make it seem as if it's unimportant news and try to justify it with your extreme rhetoric.

Ok, so it's important. What do you want now? You have to act upon hearing such information. But before acting, that information has to be assessed: who's the party responsible for this. It seems patently clear that Israel is being cast as the culpable party when Hamas-Fatah, the PA and their entire system altogether deserves the vast lion's share of the blame.

What do you expect from Israel?

Forget which side you're on for a minute and think of all the dead children being slaughtered by the high and mighty IDF.

wtf are you talking about? The IDF isn't even in the Gaza strip, they left in 2005! And if civilians are killed during an IDF counter-attack on Hamas facilities its because Hamas DELIBERATELY locates their military installations and government facilities and bomb factories in residential communities, near schools, kindergartens etc, all for the purpose of increasing the the likelyhood of civilian casulties. Nobody cares about this! The IDF, UNLIKE TERRORISTS, INADVERTENTLY causes the deaths of civilians, while terrorists deliberately target Israel civilians.

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The IDF, UNLIKE TERRORISTS

HELLO! NEWS FLASH...THE IDF ARE TERRORISTS!

You say they have been gone since 2005, but the airstrikes don't count right?

Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by Rocsgirl

 

He better be careful that little dog thing probably has about a pound of c4 in it.

*here ya go mr. soldier we looooove you*

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

Trojan horse if i ever seen one.

As awful as their plight is in Gaza, they are doing it to themselves because they choose violence over peace and train their kids at the ages of 6 to kill jews and anyone else that is nonmuslim and they will even stoop to using their own people as human shields, even little kids get used as human shields. PA/Hamas is detrimental to the well being and happiness of the people and you can lay that at the feet of the false prophet Muhammad and his demon Allah. All they are doing is replaying history over and over. If you want to see what they would do to the jews, just read up on the history of Mecca and Medina. Feign weakness and then when you have sufficient numbers and equipment and can overpower the enemy when their breeches are down, then strike like the viper hiding in the grass.

Yeah yeah, throw up what jews do to christians, but i will say this. We can tolerate persecution. My people were being thrown to lions and gladiators for sport, and dipped in boiling oil and burned at the stake to light Caesar Nero's gardens at night by to which he started calling christians "roman candles". We can take persecution because we have the Messiah. Now i would love a solution to peace, but the only way that can happen is if both sides can come to an agreement and not the kind where both parties cross their fingers behind eachothers backs and plot to kill eachother in their dreams. In other words that day will never come, until Yeshua returns and puts a stop to all this foolishness. Simply put, there will be no peace and can be no peace as long as everyone involved wants it all their way or none at all. There will always be war as long as there are men left to this world who want someone elses crap that doesn't belong to them, like 2 dogs fighting over the same bone.

Originally posted by Jakes51
Hamas would make every feasible effort to bring this conflict to an end, and begin negotiations with Israel. !

edit on 25-6-2012 by Jakes51 because: (no reason given)

you're actually blaming hamas for the death of a little girl. how about a 42 year military occupation with no end in sight.

when are you allowed to fight back, after the first decade of military occupation.

negotiations, there is nothing to negotiate under a military occupation. the only option is for the aggressor, in this case israel, to leave.

reply to post by randomname


Who is responsible for the plight of the Palestinians? It is not just Israel. Write off Hamas all you want. I am not going too. Their children are being killed in a conflict that has no end in sight, and the Israelis have proven they are not going anywhere. That is the fact of the matter. Hamas should realize that.

The rockets are not working, and countless numbers of the their woman and children have been killed by Israeli retaliation. For what apparent reason? To prove to the Arab World that they are willing to tow the line of Anti-Israel rhetoric? What help has their benevolent friends in the region done for them. Nothing! They use the plight of the Palestinian's as a sick political side show. That is the truth.

It is time to start evaluating peaceful alternatives, and engaging in negotiations. Right now the Palestinians are living in squalor, and confined behind a wall. Hamas can change all of that. Living conditions would get better over night if they would cultivate an environment of trust, formally denounce violence, and engage in the political process. That is the only alternative I can see to change anything.