Christ's History ~ Why the Delay In Recording It?

I wanted to answer the opening post without being influenced by others responses. So here it goes.

Why would Christ's disciples come forward during the time of Christ? Wouldn't they meet the same fate and perish next to him? Why would leaders of the time not suppress Christ's message? As this was the reason for killing him anyways. His message was radical, against the main tenets of the established order. Of course they suppressed the message.

I think it went underground, just as occultism must. I think that Christ's disciples taught the children and grand children the way and came forward to the mass public when it was safe to do so.

Is that outside possibility?

Originally posted by aaaiii
As believer in the man, Christ, I have often wondered why his faithful waited 100 years or more to record an historical record of his life.

If he was such an important figure, performed miracles, spoke profoundly on life, was the son of God, why was there such a long period of time between his death and the actual record of his history?

If he was such an important figure why did his disciples not record everything he said and did while he was alive?

Was he possibly made into a more important figure ex post facto to suit the needs of a burgeoning Church?

They didn't. He was crucified in 32 AD and the last NT book, Revelation was finished in 95-96 AD. Paul was martyred about 62-64 AD in Rome under the reign of Nero. Where did you get these 100 years number at?

reply to post by article


That's why apostles like Peter used a "ready writer" or "amanuensis". Like John Mark or Silvanus. Those were skilled professional trades in that day.

I've looked at the thread title again and it raises many questions for me. First of all, let's accept the OP's position that there was an historic Christ, that's pretty safe. But now the questions.

What do you mean by "delay?" The gospels were written during the lifetimes of the people credited with writing them, three before 70 A.D. and one in the 70-90 A.D. range. Two of them were written by eyewitnesses, Luke interviewed eyewitnesses, and Mark's might have involved what we call "hearsay".

How do we know there was a delay? For example, if you are writing a paper, you might consult other material, interview knowledgeable people, and refer to your rough drafts. Then when you were done, you'd throw out the old stuff (or treat it very casually) in favor of the finished product. I would not be surprised if notes were taken then discarded, or lost over two millenia.

Compared to what? Shouldn't we have all sorts of papers written at the time? Which eyewitness wrote of Caesar's assasination, and where are their accounts? I don't know of any. Same thing with contemporary records of crucifixions. Do we have records of the many who were crucified available today?

Even granted that there were no notes taken by his followers, did all the people Luke interview (within Jesus' lifetime) lie to him?

Why did historians such as Tacitus, Suetonius, and Pliny write about Jesus and His followers?

I'm not shaken by the comments in this thread. 100% laboratory proof? Nope, there isn't. But we don't have 100% laboratory proof that Edgar Allen Poe was the original writer of "The Raven." There's real evidence on one side, enough so that I'm confident in my belief until there is some evidence to the contrary.

Help!

What is the religion of jesus christ ?

Originally posted by IamNob0dy
Help!

What is the religion of jesus christ ?

The Religion of Jesus Christ is the religion of "moses"...

Originally posted by IamNob0dy
Help!

What is the religion of jesus christ ?

He gave two commands, the Shema (Deuteronomy 9:6) and said the second was like it, love one's neighbor as themslves.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Unless your a liberal, illegal immigrant, or gay.

Originally posted by iIuminaIi

Originally posted by IamNob0dy
Help!

What is the religion of jesus christ ?

The Religion of Jesus Christ is the religion of "moses"...

Have you made it to Mark 7 yet? He chastizes the Pharisees for nullifying the COMMAND (singular) of God by their traditions. The Hebrews broke the first covenant in Exodus 24.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by iIuminaIi

Originally posted by IamNob0dy
Help!

What is the religion of jesus christ ?

The Religion of Jesus Christ is the religion of "moses"...

Have you made it to Mark 7 yet? He chastizes the Pharisees for nullifying the COMMAND (singular) of God by their traditions. The Hebrews broke the first covenant in Exodus 24.

How so? tell me more

Originally posted by LDragonFire
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Unless your a liberal, illegal immigrant, or gay.

Check which Greek term for "love" He used. Greek has 7 different ones, English just 1. Might clarify a great deal for you my man.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Is this like the argument that wine in ancient times was just juice?

Perhaps you would explain what love means in Ancient Greek?

Originally posted by iIuminaIi

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by iIuminaIi

Originally posted by IamNob0dy
Help!

What is the religion of jesus christ ?

The Religion of Jesus Christ is the religion of "moses"...

Have you made it to Mark 7 yet? He chastizes the Pharisees for nullifying the COMMAND (singular) of God by their traditions. The Hebrews broke the first covenant in Exodus 24.

How so? tell me more

How so? They entered the covenant in Exodus 20 when they agreed to God's commamds and Moses sprinkled the blood on them and by Exodus 24 they were dancing naked around a golden calf. Lol

COMPLETELY broken covenant.

Originally posted by LDragonFire
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Is this like the argument that wine in ancient times was just juice?

Perhaps you would explain what love means in Ancient Greek?

No, this has nothing to do with wine. Greek is extremelly precise, English is absurdly lazy. In Greek there are 7 different words and definitions for the one English term love.

Here are the four the NT uses:


Here

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by iIuminaIi

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by iIuminaIi

Originally posted by IamNob0dy
Help!

What is the religion of jesus christ ?

The Religion of Jesus Christ is the religion of "moses"...

Have you made it to Mark 7 yet? He chastizes the Pharisees for nullifying the COMMAND (singular) of God by their traditions. The Hebrews broke the first covenant in Exodus 24.

How so? tell me more

How so? They entered the covenant in Exodus 20 when they agreed to God's commamds and Moses sprinkled the blood on them and by Exodus 24 they were dancing naked around a golden calf. Lol

COMPLETELY broken covenant.

edit on 23-6-2012 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)

Good ! BUT LMAO

Tell me about this :

Was jesus sent for the world ? Or the lost sheep of the house of israel?

reply to post by iIuminaIi


"The Jew first then the Gentile"

Tell you what, did the OT prophets ever declare the Moshiach would bring salvation to the nations?? Or better yet, what lesson did you learn from the parable of the vineyard?

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by iIuminaIi

 

"The Jew first then the Gentile"

LMAO, again.............

reply to post by iIuminaIi


Don't laugh because you stumbled on a remez, that's the point. What was this lesson in the parable of the vineyard? And did the OT prophets ever declare the Messiah's mission would also be to the "nations"??

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by iIuminaIi

 

Don't laugh because you stumbled on a remez, that's the point. What was the lesson in the parable of the vineyard? And did the OT prophets ever declare the Messiah's mission would also be to the "nations"??

I don't know, Please explain

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by aaaiii
As believer in the man, Christ, I have often wondered why his faithful waited 100 years or more to record an historical record of his life.

If he was such an important figure, performed miracles, spoke profoundly on life, was the son of God, why was there such a long period of time between his death and the actual record of his history?

If he was such an important figure why did his disciples not record everything he said and did while he was alive?

Was he possibly made into a more important figure ex post facto to suit the needs of a burgeoning Church?

They didn't. He was crucified in 32 AD and the last NT book, Revelation was finished in 95-96 AD. Paul was martyred about 62-64 AD in Rome under the reign of Nero. Where did you get these 100 years number at?

Other than biblical scriptures ,what other hellenistic source mentions jesus being crucified ?