Our local tough guys club! Submit to their personal laws or be tazed and hazed!

I have read many articles here concerning the treatment by law enforcement, I am relatively new to any subject pertaining to this, however I have had a recent personal experience the effected me very deeply and it still troubles my conscience to this day.
My story:
I just finished up a nice jog when my two young sons met up with me near our home so that we could go for a walk. They are ages 7 and 8 and they are very happy and full of joy 24/7! We proceeded along concord street in South Saint Paul, MN and the day was beautiful. I noticed a Dakota county police officer drive by slowly and my two sons waved and tried to pay homage as to the respect they where trained to have for him, they smiled and jeered and this police officer held to his frown, he looked angry. I observed him driving a little further and then he made a U-turn and proceeded to drive towards us.

Next thing I know this cop is in my face asking what I am doing, he was very aggressive, he asked me who the kids belonged to, what I was doing walking, where I was going, where I lived, where I worked, what school my children attended, he made us stand out-side his car in the blazing heat while he checked all my info for 30 minutes. Its was a 3pm, we where on a public side walk, committing zero ordinance violations.

Details about me.
I am a white professional, I am the quality manager of a machine shop.
I dress modestly and do not reflect any fashions of the world.
Everyone tells me I look like Jeff Goldblum.
I have no criminal record.
( I add these details here so that we can rule out pre-determined profiling)

We did nothing wrong, nor anything suspicious. I am so tired of it, police officers acting like tough guys. Most of them have zero interest in the publics morale. Yes I agree there are a few good cops, but even they are beginning to be shut out. I see many threads here trying to contemplate why police officers are engaging in acts of violence towards the public.

Their conduct:
-Huge over reactions.
-Every scenario is treated as it is life or death. No balance, petty crimes are as good as felonies.
-Zero respect, they require all of the respect from the public, but offer none in return. Very boastful and oppressive.
-Hypocrites, I have seen police officers, speed excessively, tail gate, not wear their seat belt, litter, make wreck less maneuvers. Just to name a few.

They have the demeanor and the conduct to back it up, that we the public are their enemy. Its us against them, in their own minds. I get the fact that they stop the bad guys, that's great, but when they cross the line on law abiding citizens who "use" to respect them, then they have violated our rights! So what am I suppose to do, get used to it and just take?

I guess all we can do is come here to ATS and post our experiences. Never doing anything about it.

Would you rather they be like these guys?



Then who would listen, everyone would be laughing too hard.

Originally posted by Moneyisgodlifeisrented
Would you rather they be like these guys?

Then who would listen, everyone would be laughing too hard.

Better that then the alternative!

sounds like you picked someone who has had a bad day for some reason and he's railroading your behind to make him feel better and since he's giving you a grilling i can imagine he's probably just had a dressing down from this boss about something he did wrong and afterwards he just needs to restore his sense of power especially if it was a woman giving him the dress down

People fail to realise who they work for. They dont work for us, they used to but now they work for corporate masters who want profits.
Suppose you'd lost it that day?? You'd have been hauled through the system and your children held in care. The system is privatley owned and the care system is privately owned so their masters WOULD have profited if you'd lost it that day.

Well done for keeping a cool head and denying them the profits.

Originally posted by Maxatoria
sounds like you picked someone who has had a bad day for some reason and he's railroading your behind to make him feel better and since he's giving you a grilling i can imagine he's probably just had a dressing down from this boss about something he did wrong and afterwards he just needs to restore his sense of power especially if it was a woman giving him the dress down

Could be, but that is not a reason to violate my rights. He stopped me held me without probable cause. No reason given. Ill be the last person that makes excuses for them, it just enables their conduct.
The law is the law. I follow it, so should they.

reply to post by VoidHawk


So, are they being actively trained in to treat the public this way? I never thought of that and it is very scary if that is the case. If you breath wrong, they'll beat us with a night stick! Where in the hell am I?

reply to post by imagineering


Mmmmmm...

1: The officer couldn't bear to see a happy family group, for whatever reason....?

2: The officer took exception to being waved at, and the cheering and especially the jeering.....?

( He mistook your children's enthusiastic respect for the law for mockery, because that is what he has been used to...maybe ? )

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Poor fella! Looking through the eyes of distortion for so long. Sad thing to is, my boys are scared of cops now.
I remember the days when you would wave at them and they would smile and wave back, and stop to give you baseball cards.

reply to post by imagineering


A sad state of affairs.. At least here in my part of the UK, the police are friendly and approachable still, and willing to chat to adults and kids alike.

Where I live, a small rural town, a lot of the police cycle about, ( Nothing to do with cutbacks ! ) and this means they interact more with the public.

However I can't speak for those who live in the big cities of the UK....

Originally posted by imagineering
reply to post by VoidHawk

 

So, are they being actively trained in to treat the public this way? I never thought of that and it is very scary if that is the case. If you breath wrong, they'll beat us with a night stick! Where in the hell am I?

Not sure they're being trained to be that way, thats a bit obvious, much easier to enlist those that will behave like that.

Originally posted by VoidHawk

Originally posted by imagineering
reply to post by VoidHawk

 

So, are they being actively trained in to treat the public this way? I never thought of that and it is very scary if that is the case. If you breath wrong, they'll beat us with a night stick! Where in the hell am I?

Not sure they're being trained to be that way, thats a bit obvious, much easier to enlist those that will behave like that.

Seems like they are a dime a dozen! I fear for the future in the good ole USA!

I was being serious, would you rather our police force be something not feared, so that people have no forethought as to what theyd be dealing with in breaking the laws?

I mean we have some people in this country that simply don't do things wrong because of the recourse they'd deal with as a result of their actions. If we didn't have these tough guys, who would fear doing wrong? only the religious?

I am not claiming I know your whole story, the officers or law enforcement in general, but am saying our military and police force are in need of ego raging individuals to help combat the other law breaking people with equally as raging egos.

I'm also not saying it's ok to treat the public like dirt, but would things be the same if we were all treated like every officer was Andy Griffith. It's 2012, people lie, cheat, steal, and do this all in front of police, times change and so does the way regulations need to be regulated.

reply to post by Moneyisgodlifeisrented


I wont argue, the fact is, my rights where violated and I am not the only one. When it comes to my civil rights, YES! Police officers need to control themselves. Period.

When theres a raging criminal and the situation calls for it, be my guest in laying the law down! There are human rights laws for a reason.

reply to post by imagineering


Wow, this is eye-opening coming from the Twin Cities. I live in the northland. You mentioned how cops will enforce laws but won't abide by them. That really gets on my nerves. Especially road laws, you see cops speeding around all the time with no lights or sirens on and driving recklessly. It's only going to get worse when cops won't even respect impressionable children. If your kid has a bad experience with a cop, that child won't trust law enforcement for the rest of his life and it will only end up hurting future cops who have to deal with less and less people respecting them. It's a vicious cycle and it won't get better if cops continue to act this way.

Thanks for sharing your story OP

Sounds like he was feeling very guilty about something. . .

People that have dirty little secrets tend to bottle that up to the point where they develop a psychosis where "everyone knows" and "those who do know will stare or gesture at me in public". He was probably going over it (the secret) for hours that day, over and over, then he stumbled upon a couple of kids that broke him out of his trance. Delusional.

Or he's just a grade-A jackass. I think we've all seen these types of cops before...

"Who do you think you are, trying to be courteous to me?"

Disturbing either way, as they carry a badge and a firearm.

reply to post by imagineering


Just a question, is it possible there were some children missing? Sounds like he was trying to ensure the children were actually yours.

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
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Just a question, is it possible there were some children missing? Sounds like he was trying to ensure the children were actually yours.

Interesting you ask, I had my wife check for any situations like that and none came up. As you can see here I was attempting to give that man the benefit of a doubt. Also I still find myself directing my children to pay respect to such men, just for the sake of their own moral training.

Originally posted by imagineering
Their conduct:
-Huge over reactions.
-Every scenario is treated as it is life or death. No balance, petty crimes are as good as felonies.
-Zero respect, they require all of the respect from the public, but offer none in return. Very boastful and oppressive.
-Hypocrites, I have seen police officers, speed excessively, tail gate, not wear their seat belt, litter, make wreck less maneuvers. Just to name a few.

Think about it -- who does this sound like?

If you've been watching the alternative and mainstream media over the last decade, what you're describing was standard-operating-procedure for the troops in the middle east. They were trained to suppress the civilian population and they went darkside from that point. Many of these troops have PTSD and more issues than you've ever seen -- that's why the suicide rate is so high. Many of these troops have come home and are now with the police.

Your particular miscreant may or may not have been a vet, but the odds are pretty good.

That is a great point J, the fact that former soldiers are our cops will make this whole transition to a full on military state that much more smooth huh?