Fortune Tellers, Mind Readers, Psychics..

From my own admittidly limited experience I think this thread should be retittled Quacks, cranks, and frauds to be accurate.

No disrespect but sheesh! You admit to having limited knowledge and then call everyone cranks and liers. The whole point of a "discussion" is to bring views backed up with proof or examples and "DENY IGNORANCE!"

If someone told you that you get pink birds and you had never seen nor heard of a flamingo before in your life would you call you him a quack?

When I said imited experience I meant that i have been to met and conversed with Fortune tellers, Mind readers, and Psychics and they have all been frauds. None have had the abillity to show any unusual insight and all have exhibited the classic signs of cold reading. I have by manipulating my awnsers actually been able to get them to make predictions whic I knew were false. Its a con job.

Ok, thats different. To tell you the truth I dont think I would go into a tent and pay an outrageous fee (What Ive seen) to get told things I already knew or generalised predictions.

Based on my own accounts I would rather go to someone credible like a family member or someone recommended. It is correct in saying that many ply their trade fraudulently and know they're ripping off people and have brought it to an art but plumbers and motor mechanics rob people all the time for "services rendered"...it all boils down to the individual.

Originally posted by mwm1331
When I said imited experience I meant that i have been to met and conversed with Fortune tellers, Mind readers, and Psychics and they have all been frauds. None have had the abillity to show any unusual insight and all have exhibited the classic signs of cold reading. I have by manipulating my awnsers actually been able to get them to make predictions whic I knew were false. Its a con job.

That's only true for some. I have been lucky enough to have met some incredibly good psychics that can see into the future and your past.

There are several kinds of psychic and not all have the same abilities.

One of those people was an excellent person, she was like a grandmother to me, she described mostly everything that happened to me since my birth and even some things i had no idea that happened but i was able to confirm through my parents later on.

Unfortunately the last prediction she gave was about the last Christmas that she was about to spend with her sister and me, soon after she became really sick and died some months later.

There are many things she told me that have already happened, and many more that haven't happened yet. She also verified some of my own experiences in psychic phenomenon in what was stored for our future, and it isn't pretty.

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Fortune tellers, Mind Readers, Psychics ...... (?would this include healers, Rikki masters, subtile energy manipulators; ie chiropractors, accupuncturists et al?

Your question is loaded. The small spectrum of Extra Sensory Professionals
as presented are the most prolific in the everyday world, therefore are an
easy 'medium' to be turned into a 'easy husstle' for anyone unscrupulous...

consider 'Ambulance chasers' or 'used-car salesmen' as other examples
of a few 'bad eggs' ...but the professional lawyers or sales-persons at large do not carry that ONUS as do the titles of MindReader, FortuneTeller, Psychic

Yes, they are real & true & sure...connecting with the 'ONE' or 'Consciousness'...reading subtile energies...connecting to a noosphere...
and sometimes, or more often than not- they are not at the optimum 100%
peak performance or 'in-the-zone' ......just like when you have overslept then take an hour and cups of coffee (while on the time clock) to get up-to-speed at the office. or when the proAthlete either fumbles, strikes out, gets KOed...they get booed, but when performing as 'expected' it's a Ho-Hum matter as the thinking is : He/she's getting Big Bucks to perform!

Originally posted by Zenem

From my own admittidly limited experience I think this thread should be retittled Quacks, cranks, and frauds to be accurate.

No disrespect but sheesh! You admit to having limited knowledge and then call everyone cranks and liers. The whole point of a "discussion" is to bring views backed up with proof or examples and "DENY IGNORANCE!"

If someone told you that you get pink birds and you had never seen nor heard of a flamingo before in your life would you call you him a quack?

thanks Zenem...but another Subtile Aspect, which you probably are aware, is the 'BATTERY' that is created when two dissimilar substances(and thoughts) create the flow of energy.....be grateful for your antagonist as they help create the electromagnetic flow of energies which BOTH of you could benefit from....but which only the 'informed' will avail themselves.

Point taken. Its just so many times I have seen people come up and ask for other similar experience's to people who have a genuine interest or insight into a matter only to get shot down as a looney.

I mistook mwm_1331 when he said limited experience but I do also agree nothing should be taken as it seems...

Hmmm intresting thread.. there are a few points that I will make...

1) How do you know it is a gift from god? There are plenty of people out there that have these abilities that have no belief of any god. Also how do you know there is a god? Cant be proved now can it. Maybe there is and maybe there isnt.. like many things it is personal opinion and belief.

2) For those of you that have visited some gypsies in tents, and other commercialised psychics and mediums.. just because they have shown no ability in that way does not mean it doesnt exist, I suggest if you are looking for answers that you need to look a bit deeper than that. Try an internet search for spiritual sites, and you might come up with a few good sites. I have been on a number of them and have had the pleasure of getting to know some extremely talented people.

3)Believe in what you want to believe.. it is free will.. but dont slate others for their beliefs please.


I have grown up in a psychic family and have a number of freinds who are mediums. There is only so much that can be done by cold reading, and if you have only witnessed what appears to be cold reading, then you have never witnessed a good medium/psychic. I have had precognitive dreams, and I too do the tarot cards, and no I do not charge.. not because under some vague assumption that it is a gift from god, but because I dont want to. Also the point about god not wanting people to charge for their 'given' talents. If he (assuming one exists) doesnt want someone to use it.. he would take it away.. simple as that. People have free will wether to go to these type of people or not, and no one is forcing them to go, so I dont see a problem if people charge a small amount. When people do it to get rich, and under fraudulent means.. then I do have a problem with it.

These people with abilities do exist, and for those of you that believe it is "flimflam" (thanks Randi for the term) you just havent met them yet. Believe what you will, and be comfortable in your beliefs.

My apologies if I have waffled too much, but I have a tendancy to get carried away at times.
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Originally posted by Lazarus187
Fortune Tellers, Mind Readers, Psychics.. are any of these things true?, has anyone ever had an experiance with one of these? if you have any information?

I've mostly thought that they were all fake. But then i heard some stories..(some were on here)and the outcome was true. Might have been a complete coincidence buuut.. ya never know.

I have been practicing runic divination (only for a short while) so far I have never been wrong.

Originally posted by Lazarus187
Fortune Tellers, Mind Readers, Psychics.. are any of these things true?, has anyone ever had an experiance with one of these? if you have any information?

I think that the ones who announce it to the world and charge you a fee are fakes.
I personaly feel very (VERY) uncomfortable with the thought of telling anyone that I am capable of things people see as 'paranormal'.

I think the definitions most people think of when seeing those terms are incorrect.

I have a family friend that is a true phycic. I usually talk to him about my own personal spirtual feellings and paths and he helps my to see the paths I choose.

He has told us (my mother and I) alot of things that have been true if not bang on.

One of the more general predictions was this; He predicted that one of my mothers sons (my brother or I) would "break their foot in a sports accident soon". That weekend my bro and I went off to seperate sports tournys and I came home with a broken foot from a slap shot in the warm up of our last game that weekend.

Originally posted by daniel191159
I personally believe that true psychics should NEVER charge for thier services and never use thier abilities for financial gain (for the psychic or the querant).

Having these abilities is, in my opinion, a gift from God. Charging people money in exchange for a reading or service doesn't strike me as what God intended those abilities to be used for.

I couldnt agree more.

Also it would be kind of hard to find someone who is the real thing, because they wont talk to many people about it.

Originally posted by mrsdudara


Also it would be kind of hard to find someone who is the real thing, because they wont talk to many people about it.

Exactly! I have been saying that on these baords about several areas...those that are true, usually don't say too much about it.....so it is very diffucult find those that gifted in whatever....they just don't pop up and say "I can do blaa, blaa, blaa. or I'm gifted in blaa, blaa, blaa.....that's a sure sign of either a phony....or someone just playing around.

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I'll say it and talk about it...but only on an anonymous forum, hehe...(well, no secret who I am, but not like most of you are in town, hehe...)

I've only shown close family and friends any abilities (which are EXTREMELY minor, but varied), and even only a few amongst that group. Most in this group simply accept it (and even make rules against it, such as not being on my wife's team for certain board games, hehe...) I feel no real need to prove it to anyone... It simply is what it is... I'm just thankful that at least one of these phenomena (SLI) is easily provable to anyone...

I must say though, I am trying to find a place, people who I can chat with about it. I usualy only talk to family about it, and they listen to me but they can not add much input. I never read much about it until recently. Never learned the "lingo". Just knew what happened. I learned real quick when I was a kid not to talk to people about it because some people get really freaked out. On the other hand some people get darn hateful and mean about it. Now I have little ones who have it, and I almost feel sorry for them, because I know what they are going to go through. There are people who get totaly into it and think it is so cool. That is when I start questioning them (well then and when they ask for money). Of everything it is, cool isnt one of them. It realy sucks when you see something that is going to happen. And you know how it is going to effect everyone involved...you want to shout out to them so that they can prepare, but you cant. Or when you can feel what someone else is feeling , and that person (who is a perfect stranger) just found out they have cancer, all you want to do is reach out and give them a hug and tell them it will be alright, but you cant. That is a one way ticket to the looney bin. Unfortunatly there are a bunch of goons out there who think its a fun "game" and take people for hundreds and thousands of dollars. It makes people stop trusting, and worst of all if there is a message to be given it makes it almost impossable to give it.

WOW pardon me for venting. Got on a roll.

I wonder which is the greater evil: leading people to believe in something that does not exist, or leading them to deny that which does exist.

It seems that spiritual frauds tend to do both.

Of course, I have my own unique perspective on things, but do not desire to either believe or claim that mine is necessarily the One True Perspective, or free of error.

However, I do know that when anyone tells me that something is absolutely certain, they are probably wrong, and possibly seeking to deliberately deceive me.

Our capacity for knowing truth is limited by our ignorance of our true selves. Psychic frauds simply capitalize on that fact.

Thus, if the converse is true, then a "real" psychic is one who seeks to help you to better understand who you really are.

I must say though, I am trying to find a place, people who I can chat with about it. I usualy only talk to family about it, and they listen to me but they can not add much input. I never read much about it until recently. Never learned the "lingo". Just knew what happened.

***That could be coming from my mouth :-)
My family - can't talk to them though. Even though mom and great gramma and gram all have bits and peices too - they think of it as bad and wrong. That's whay I came here :-)

I'll say it and talk about it...but only on an anonymous forum, hehe...(

***EXACTLY! LOL
Very few people know about me. My mom and a handful of people who have needed help badly enough that they already believed all these things and wouldn't tell anyone anyway. A few have thought they figured me out.
I messed up alot when I'm busy. Just the other day the BF was looking for a business card/phone #. I was so tired I didn't feel like geting up and pretending to 'find it'. Instead I just mumbled that he needed to go look on a flat brown surface. Then added, near a small tv.
Ooops.

Originally posted by mrsdudara

Originally posted by daniel191159
I personally believe that true psychics should NEVER charge for thier services and never use thier abilities for financial gain (for the psychic or the querant).

Having these abilities is, in my opinion, a gift from God. Charging people money in exchange for a reading or service doesn't strike me as what God intended those abilities to be used for.

I couldnt agree more.

Also it would be kind of hard to find someone who is the real thing, because they wont talk to many people about it.

Yep yep yep!
And if it's a gift given to you, it isn't intended to be something you charge to use. It seems to be something, as far as I've seen in my life time...the very few people I know who have ability are very selfless people and tend to not only NOT gain from it, but tend to loose out because of it alot of times.