Disturbing bible verses

Originally posted by deadeyedick
In the old testament god was ashamed of what he had created and showed little mercy.
In the new testament he found more mercy for his creation through the actions of jesus.
Don't go thinking that his judgement will not come again quick and merciless again.

edit on 21-6-2012 by deadeyedick because: Becoming a parent can take the edge off many people

Well actually he did have mercy on mankind even then, he planned to rescue us from the very beginning. Yes he did regret creating mankind at one time but it didn't mean he loved us any less than when he first made Adama. He made us "naked" from the very beginning. In prophetic biblical language nakedness is a symbol of unrighteousness. Where Satan came into play was he made the progenitors aware that they were "naked" and innocence was lost, so Yah made a covenant with Adama and showed him how to pray, and gave him statutes to live by and cursed the earth to grow thorns to cut his feet and created man's existence so that we could come to learn the meaning of repentance and remorse which are the first steps towards gaining righteousness. The animal (probably a lamb) Yah killed and used to make "clothing" for the progenitors was a type of covenant, we could have temporary righteousness until the time was right for him to come to earth and be that lamb to give us permanant righteousness in his eyes.

The Book of Genesis is one huge spiritual allusion to how we began and what he had to do to save us and teach us to live right according to him. He set Adama and Eve on the path to righteousness even after they disobeyed him. When Adama and Eve gained the ability to learn these things, Yah became our teacher. Because he is who he is, he could not leave us in this fallen state.

reply to post by TheFogHorn


I really don't see the connection between your response and my previous response. Or are you just trying to discredit the Scriptures so much that you will throw as many verses out until hopefully one of them sticks?

Originally posted by shaluach
reply to post by TheFogHorn

 

I really don't see the connection between your response and my previous response. Or are you just trying to discredit the Scriptures so much that you will throw as many verses out until hopefully one of them sticks?

Yep.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


You missed my question?

Originally posted by TheFogHorn
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

Psalm 97:3 Fire goes before him and consumes his foes on every side.


Love thy enemy? Turn the other cheek?


Can YOU explain this schizophrenia, seeing as you proudly state Jesus is Yahweh?

Yes i can. This is talking about his enemies, the enemies of righteousness which are they who go chasing off after the Fallen Ones and worshipping them as if they were Him. "Turn the other cheek" applies to persecution, not people being wicked, but those who persecute us for our faith in Yeshua. In fact here's the entire chapter, so we can have proper context so none can be misled about what he is talking about.

Psalms 97:1-12

1The Lord reigns;
Let the earth rejoice;
Let the multitude of isles be glad!

2 Clouds and darkness surround Him;
Righteousness and justice are the foundation of His throne.
3 A fire goes before Him,
And burns up His enemies round about.
4 His lightnings light the world;
The earth sees and trembles.
5 The mountains melt like wax at the presence of the Lord,
At the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.
6 The heavens declare His righteousness,
And all the peoples see His glory.

7 Let all be put to shame who serve carved images,
Who boast of idols.
Worship Him, all you gods.
8 Zion hears and is glad,
And the daughters of Judah rejoice
Because of Your judgments, O Lord.
9 For You, Lord, are most high above all the earth;
You are exalted far above all gods.

10 You who love the Lord, hate evil!
He preserves the souls of His saints;
He delivers them out of the hand of the wicked.
11 Light is sown for the righteous,
And gladness for the upright in heart.
12 Rejoice in the Lord, you righteous,
And give thanks at the remembrance of His holy name.

This is a praise psalm or "song", probably written by King David since he was the writer of Psalms. David was not just a King but a Prophet-King. This psalm is exhorting good over evil, of the light of righteousness winning over the darkness of wickedness.

Originally posted by TheFogHorn
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

You missed my question?

Sorry i don't have time to sit on this one thread and cater to your every whim, i am participating in many threads. Take a number and get in line and i'll get to you when i can.

Kthxbai.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


2 Clouds and darkness surround Him; VOLCANO
Righteousness and justice are the foundation of His throne.
3 A fire goes before Him, LAVA
And burns up His enemies round about. LAVA
4 His lightnings light the world; VOLCANIC LIGHTNING STORM
The earth sees and trembles. EARTHQUAKE
5 The mountains melt like wax at the presence of the Lord, VOLCANO
At the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.
6 The heavens declare His righteousness,
And all the peoples see His glory. EYE WATERINGLY BRIGHT LAVA

7 Let all be put to shame who serve carved images,
Who boast of idols.
Worship Him, all you gods.
8 Zion hears and is glad,
And the daughters of Judah rejoice
Because of Your judgments, O Lord.
9 For You, Lord, are most high above all the earth; BIG VOLCANO
You are exalted far above all gods.

Don't be one of the last to admit it.

reply to post by TheFagHorn

TextAnother example of this is the destruction of Jericho. The city was destroyed due to seismic activity (earthquake to be specific) and not due to Joshua's intimidating trumpeting and circling. Joshua and gang most likely just looted the unfortunate city after the natural disaster 'delivered it' into their hands

You say an earthquake and that is probably exactly how God made the walls fall, but you missed one thing in your observation of this event one section of a wall was left standing . Funny how God promised to save one woman and her family that lived on the outer wall of the city , just like the section that remains today.

Originally posted by TheFogHorn

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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How do you expkain moves of God nowhere near volcanoes??

Two people were healed of cancer and two more of diabetes last month at my church. No volcano within 500 miles.

Four fake healings and hundreds of gullible lost souls.

The Bible is about volcano worship and is padded out with lots of filler.

edit on 21-6-2012 by TheFogHorn because: (no reason given)

No, not fake one chap had a brain tumor and the other kid was a 21 year old who was diagnosed with leukemia and told he was soon to die. We visited both in the hospital. The same doctors who told them they had cancer also had to tell them they were healed. Healings are routine at my church, which is what Christ comissioned us to do in Mark 16. So again, no volcano within 500 miles.

Dude, why are YOU so fascinated with volcanoes? It looks like you worship them actually. Every thread you're going on and on about volcanoes. Kinda getting a lil creepy to be honest.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by TheFogHorn

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by TheFogHorn

 

How do you expkain moves of God nowhere near volcanoes??

Two people were healed of cancer and two more of diabetes last month at my church. No volcano within 500 miles.

Four fake healings and hundreds of gullible lost souls.

The Bible is about volcano worship and is padded out with lots of filler.

edit on 21-6-2012 by TheFogHorn because: (no reason given)

No, not fake one chap had a brain tumor and the other kid was a 21 year old who was diagnosed with leukemia and told he was soon to die. We visited both in the hospital. The same doctors who told them they had cancer also had to tell them they were healed. Healings are routine at my church, which is what Christ comissioned us to do in Mark 16. So again, no volcano within 500 miles.

Thats what i am talking about, alot of christians forget that he gave us power to heal for his glory through him. If only they could believe that we can still do it .

First time i saw a healing happen i was dumbstruck with awe, all i could keep thinking was "it worked....". Ofcourse he said he would be there if 2 or more were present in his name and we had 3 doing the praying. I knew he was there i could feel his presence.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical


No, not fake one chap had a brain tumor and the other kid was a 21 year old who was diagnosed with leukemia and told he was soon to die. We visited both in the hospital. The same doctors who told them they had cancer also had to tell them they were healed. Healings are routine at my church, which is what Christ comissioned us to do in Mark 16. So again, no volcano within 500 miles.

NOT, one thing you have to keep in mind when it comes to disbelievers is that miracles aren't real even when they are real. Kind of like how prayer doesn't work even when it works. Disbelievers like to hide behind the term "skeptic" which is really nothing more than sticking their fingers in their ears or hands over their eyes and ignoring the facts. They use the term so much it is all but meaningless.

The Scriptures speak about people like them when it says:

"Son of man, you are living among a rebellious people. They have eyes to see but do not see and ears to hear but do not hear, for they are a rebellious people." - Ezekiel 12:2

reply to post by shaluach


Their loss. They ask for "proof" and it's all around them, if they'd stop and search.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by TheFogHorn

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by TheFogHorn

 

How do you expkain moves of God nowhere near volcanoes??

Two people were healed of cancer and two more of diabetes last month at my church. No volcano within 500 miles.

Four fake healings and hundreds of gullible lost souls.

The Bible is about volcano worship and is padded out with lots of filler.

edit on 21-6-2012 by TheFogHorn because: (no reason given)

No, not fake one chap had a brain tumor and the other kid was a 21 year old who was diagnosed with leukemia and told he was soon to die. We visited both in the hospital. The same doctors who told them they had cancer also had to tell them they were healed. Healings are routine at my church, which is what Christ comissioned us to do in Mark 16. So again, no volcano within 500 miles.

Thats what i am talking about, alot of christians forget that he gave us power to heal for his glory through him. If only they could believe that we can still do it

.

First time i saw a healing happen i was dumbstruck with awe, all i could keep thinking was "it worked....". Ofcourse he said he would be there if 2 or more were present in his name and we had 3 doing the praying. I knew he was there i could feel his presence.

Okay, you MUST get your hands on that book ASAP brother, directly up your alley.

Originally posted by shaluach

Originally posted by NOTurTypical


No, not fake one chap had a brain tumor and the other kid was a 21 year old who was diagnosed with leukemia and told he was soon to die. We visited both in the hospital. The same doctors who told them they had cancer also had to tell them they were healed. Healings are routine at my church, which is what Christ comissioned us to do in Mark 16. So again, no volcano within 500 miles.

NOT, one thing you have to keep in mind when it comes to disbelievers is that miracles aren't real even when they are real. Kind of like how prayer doesn't work even when it works. Disbelievers like to hide behind the term "skeptic" which is really nothing more than sticking their fingers in their ears or hands over their eyes and ignoring the facts. They use the term so much it is all but meaningless.

The Scriptures speak about people like them when it says:

"Son of man, you are living among a rebellious people. They have eyes to see but do not see and ears to hear but do not hear, for they are a rebellious people." - Ezekiel 12:2

I may be wrong here but i believe the son of man was a bit rebellious his self?
I am not sure but i thought he was sent to condemn mankind but instead ended up giving his life for those that sought to end his?
This is not ment to be in offence to any only for my growth.

reply to post by shaluach

Originally posted by autowrench
1 Samuel 15:35:
"And Samuel came no more to see Saul until the day of his death: nevertheless Samuel mourned for Saul: and the Lord repented that he had made Saul king over Israel."

So? He regretted making someone king. And?

Is the Christian God not suppose to be omnipotent, omnipresent and have a divine plan? If he was these things why would he have regrets? He is a perfect being right?

I think this is a perfect example of how the god of the old testament was very very similar to other "gods" worshiped in that time period who all had very human characteristics.

And I have an honest question that I would love someone to answer. Why is it considered moral or OK by Christians that their god murdered all the first born of Egypt after hardening pharaohs heart? Or why did he condone animal sacrifice?

Originally posted by Openeye


Is the Christian God not suppose to be omnipotent, omnipresent and have a divine plan? If he was these things why would he have regrets? He is a perfect being right?

Yes, He is and yes He does. Do you think those He puts in positions of power have anything to do with His divine plan? Do you even know what His divine plan is?

Originally posted by Openeye
I think this is a perfect example of how the god of the old testament was very very similar to other "gods" worshiped in that time period who all had very human characteristics.

Or do we, made in His image, have some of His characteristics?

Originally posted by Openeye
Why is it considered moral or OK by Christians that their god murdered all the first born of Egypt after hardening pharaohs heart?

8“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord. 9“As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.

- Isaiah 55

We do not understand the Most High's motivations or reasonings all the time, but we trust that there was a reason, even for the stuff that is hard to deal with.

Originally posted by Openeye
Or why did he condone animal sacrifice?

Because a blood sacrifice was required to bring people back to the Most High. That's why in the end He sacrificed His Son, to be the ultimate blood sacrifice to do away with all blood sacrifices.

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Now you are taking it out of context. For those who wish to remain slaves? In actuality it is because the Jews were obligated to offer their slaves freedom after a certain period of time. The catch was that they had to leave without their wives and children. The only way they could remain with their families was to agree to be a slave. It's not like this is what anybody freely chose.

Great book, is it not?

Originally posted by Puck 22

In actuality it is because the Jews were obligated to offer their slaves freedom after a certain period of time. The catch was that they had to leave without their wives and children.

No, because if their wives and children were slaves they also would have been offered freedom during the Jubilee year.