The WTC 7 thread to end WTC7 threads

'Harley Guy' (Mark Walsh) who works as a freelance cameraman for Fox News allowed a news crew to film the collapse of WTC7 from his apartment, obviously they must have known it was coming down in advance to be setting up cameras to specifically film it.
This is a radio interview he gave on 12/09/01 the day after 9/11, he states that he allowed the collapse of WTC7 to be filmed from his apartment. This is in the second half of the video.

For anyone who does not know who harley guy is or why he has been given that name, he basically was giving an interview on the street after both towers had collapsed, and seemed to be working off a script that fitted NISTs eventual report, this guy was claiming the buildings fell from structual failed caused by the fires, before anyone even considered what had actually happened.

Here is that interview on the street.



The black official looking chap at ther end of the video seems to not want to give information about why he is hanging about, which strikes me as odd.

I was intrigued by the Man in Black so did a google search and found this video. Found it quite interesting. There were many other videos and info of the man in black as well. Here is the video
www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade

Originally posted by NorEaster
WTC#7 held all the servers that contained all the FBI and SEC investigation data into ENRON, World Com, and several other expansive Wall Street cases, and when it went down, so did all those investigations.

That'll be news to Jeff Skilling as he sits in a cell seeing out his 24 year sentence.

oh I'm real sure Jeff Skilling was the top dog of enron, not Kenny boy Lay who had a close relationship to Bush. That is what the investigations most likely showed before they got controlled demolitioned. You disagree? I would like to see you "put to rest" the Enron/WTC 7 claim. Eagerly waiting. (popcorn popping).

Originally posted by Reheat

Originally posted by Just Chris

There's just no logical reason how the reporter could announce the collapse of WTC 7 whilst standing in front of the very same building right beside her.....just no logical reason at all!

Do you reckon she knew the difference between the Solomon Building and WTC 7 or even which building they were talking about? So, based on this faux pau you think the BBC was in on the conspiracy, do you? Those nasty Brits are poking into their former colony's affairs again, are they?

It could be that messages were sent in error, perhaps a time zone conflict or just a blunder, but the bbc could have got "the facts" before the facts happened. BBC would just be a lapdog mouthpiece not a controller, like the media usually is. No reason they had to know what was going on. P.s. The solomon building IS the WTC 7.

reply to post by Lord Jules


Exactly. Government news comes from government press releases. WTC 7 was probably supposed to come down earlier, and someone forget to delay the press release, thus the BBC read it as they were supposed to not knowing WTC 7 hadn't collapsed yet.

The BBC reporting on WT7 is really neither here nor there, Philllip Hayden was in London, and would have been working to a breaking news script of some kind, Jane standley was on location and would only have anecdotes and whatever came back to her via the newsrooms. The cockups would be from the control room and editors and producers. If there was a dark area, that's where it would be, especially since those tapes were 'lost' for a while, never mind the reason. That WTC7 was coming down, was not a mystery, but the way it did come down was, and still is.

The very dodgey 'Harley man' as at least I now know turns out to be a figure of Fox news itself, whether that whole interview was broadcast on the day, I don't know, maybe there are those in the US who do know, or remember. I don't doubt there was 'sexing up' of a limited number of media pictures on the day either, it just shows you how sicko some aspects of the media can be. Did this inadvertently help a much deeper conspiracy, or was it deliberate, or a bit of both, so hard to tell.
It is enough to know that the much maligned Dan Rather has said the media failed America on that day.

Given the type of organisations hosted in WTC7 would it not be feasible that destroying the building was a security measure given the damage to the WTC complex, I reckon it was pre-wired to protect it's contents getting into the wrong hands, damn convienient that the so many files were destroyed for tptb.

Files relating to numerous federal investigations had been housed in 7 World Trade Center. The files for thousands of SEC cases were destroyed, though the SEC has said most of the important files were backed up or could be reconstructed. Salomon Brothers, a subsidiary of Citigroup, lost files later requested by the SEC concerning its connection with the WorldCom scandal. The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission estimated over 10,000 of its cases were affected. Investigative files in the Secret Service's largest field office were also lost in the collapse, with one Secret Service agent saying, "All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building

Originally posted by Gyrocopter

Ok so lets run through this so i can get this straight.

When a truther says this, you can be pretty sure that they will get absolutely nothing right. Except maybe the date.

Let's see how gyro does....

So fire balls, fire chucks (whatever you want to call them) from the towers flew over a 100 yards with enough force to crash through the windows and walls of WTC 7

0/1.

No, there were no fire balls that flew with any force. building degris did, however.

those fire balls then start a fire on one side of the building

1/2

which seems minor compared to the fires/damage in the other buildings that didn't collapse.

2/3

This office fire then somehow spreads to a portions of the 25 core columns and is in direct contact with them for enough time to destroy the SFRM that protects the steal( it's spelled steel)

2/4

No SFRM needs to be destroyed for the steel to be heated. SFRM is nothing more than insulation.

and causes the steal to expand in a very short period of time?

You're questioning that this can happen, not making a statement, so the logical presumption is that you don't believe that can happen. Therefore:

2/5

This expansion is so strong that it somehow over powers the strength of tons of steal

the connections that NIST detailed as being broken by thermal expansion were bolted. So not tons of steel. A few pounds.

2/6

a chain reaction that destroys

no, they buckled. Nothing was destroyed.

2/7

the 25 core columns dropping the pent house

Only 3 columns

2/8

This then result in a total collapse at which one point 100 feet worth of 58 steal columns (aproxx 5 floors) all broke apart causing zero resistance an allowing a free fall acceleration of the building.

3/8

not to mention asymmetrical damage causing a symmetrical collapse.

No, it twisted in 2 different directions during the collapse, and fell onto the roof of Fitterman Hall. Not symmetrical.

3/9

my understanding is that metal becomes softer when it heats up,

4/10

so how strong a force would this so called expansion have to be to basically over power the steal connections

You mean the bolts? Not much, and the force exerted by expanding steel has not been chalenged. Since you question it:

4/11

of the rest of the building

Only the heated areas are effected, not the entire building.

4/12

and how can soft metal over power stronger metal?

lotsa ways. For example, it can be larger. Since you question this:

4/13

So ridiculous, you guys are just making # up. thats right up there with "swamp gas"

No, the science can be verified.

4/14

were these core columns exposed out in the open (i doubt it), how long would it take for fire to burns through the walls and everything else and reach the core column?

it's in the NIST. Since you don't know this:

4/15

Did rube goldberg build WTC 7?

no. professional engineers did, according to the building codes of the time.

4/16

ok guys have to run, making some stew don't want my pan to thermally expand and destroy my stove.

It DOES thermally expand.

The figures on how much can be easily found on the internet. Since you don't know this:

4/17




Overall a pretty poor grade. around 23%.

But this is typical for a truther

reply to post by intrptr

Unless you are referring to special forces in a combat zone or Hollywood movies, explosive demolitions technicians would never use radio control to bring down a building. Its just too damn dangerous. That is why they use hardwires as opposed to any frequency controlled signals. Even digital. The inherent problem is not with encoding, but rather with the strength of nearby signals that can radiate or "bleed" current into blasting wires and initiate a cap or two. Blasting caps operate on just a few milliamps, quite within the realm of ac wiring or sudden surges like solenoids or pump motors, elevators whatever. If the charges are "hidden in the walls" and the wires run next to the wiring in the building, you are asking for trouble. It is ludicrous.

The power supply batteries I referred to (as missing from evidence) would have been used to power the
radio receiver and initiate ignition. With the many different types of blasting caps available, choosing
electric caps would be foolish for the reason you state. You seem to know what you are talking about
so I'm not sure if you were just baiting me, but anyway...with a fuse or match cap, there is absolutely
NO danger of electrical or radio emissions accidentally causing a premature ignition.

So as I said, utilizing restricted radio bands and a fail-safe of two radio signals, one to prime, one to
initiate ignition of a radio/electric safe blasting cap is not just plausible, it is probable. And absolutely
effective.

The only people who think the buildings were prepped ahead of time are not familiar with how these things are done. Or they have heard some rumor that this is possible. They aren't really qualified to comment on the process themselves. Been watching to many Schwarzenegger films. They keep asserting something is true but then finish with "not outside the realms of possibility".

This is just a disguised ad hominem appeal to lump me into an easily ridiculed group. I'm just one guy.
I started my 'trutherness" on 9/12...and I was VERY unpopular back then while patrotic sentiment was high.
And if you know of any action films where one doesn't have to turn off their incredulity just to
enjoy a movie...let me know. I assert that it is not outside the realm of possibility that one exists.

Originally posted by intrptr
reply to post by rival

 

And if 9/11 was an inside job utilizing explosives, or something similar, you would have to assume
that those responsible would have gone to great lengths to cover their crime...

You mean like letting the "pilots" train in simulators here in the US?
Like letting them live here and even though they were on "watch lists" they were allowed to travel abroad and back freely? Even allowed to fly on numerous flights before their final "mission"?
How about sending little georgie out of town to sit with the kiddies?
How about sending the scrambled fighters to sea so they couldn't interfere?
How about Georges private "sealed" conference with the investigative commission?
Oh and lets not forget the structural analysis by engineers prior to 911 when they shut down the upper half of one of the Twin Towers?
And the speculation on American airlines stock?
And the... well enough. thats a shortlist. I'm sure I left some out.

Now I'm a little confused about which side of the fence you're sitting...

Do you believe that 9/11 was simply the result of gross negligence on the part of our intelligence
services?

Or....an inside job, facilitated by factions inside our government, but without the further complicating
conspiracies of planted demolitions and the like, ie., aircraft alone are responsible.

Or are you just OS guy?

Originally posted by waypastvne

Originally posted by kidtwist


Now I've posted this twice, I posted it in another thread recently, and both times the persistent 'debunkers' have totally ignored it and not passed one comment!

Your video is old and has been talked to death. Do you want to talk about the effects your little Witch hunt has had on Mark Humphrey's life.

Talked to death was it? Or debunked?
"Your video is old" comes out saying been there done that......But yet you don't question the authenticity of the said video.
I could not give a flying fart about how bad Mark Humphrey's life is right now or was then.
The simple reason is that he is a paid actor and is responsible for many people not going to the execution room, while at the same time has no regard for the thousands that died that day.
And the thousands that are dieing from ingesting asbestos.
They very reason the buildings could not be demolished was asbestos and everybody new it.
Regards, Iwinder

reply to post by HeluvaStorm

'Harley Guy' (Mark Walsh) who works as a freelance cameraman for Fox News allowed a news crew to film the collapse of WTC7 from his apartment, obviously they must have known it was coming down in advance to be setting up cameras to specifically film it.

So where have you been...?

Was not like it was big sekrit - except to the mentally challenged who insist WTC 7 was some grand conspiracy

Since mid afternoon the FDNY knew that WTC 7 was in danger of collapse, in fact in anticipation they had
established a collapse zone around the building around 3pm - all personnel and equipment in area were
cleared out

Had been reported by the news media

So you think this some nefarious plot known only to Fox news....?

Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by HeluvaStorm

 

'Harley Guy' (Mark Walsh) who works as a freelance cameraman for Fox News allowed a news crew to film the collapse of WTC7 from his apartment, obviously they must have known it was coming down in advance to be setting up cameras to specifically film it.

So where have you been...?

Was not like it was big sekrit - except to the mentally challenged who insist WTC 7 was some grand conspiracy

Since mid afternoon the FDNY knew that WTC 7 was in danger of collapse, in fact in anticipation they had
established a collapse zone around the building around 3pm - all personnel and equipment in area were
cleared out

Had been reported by the news media

So you think this some nefarious plot known only to Fox news....?

So we have a news guy from fox who lets people film the collapse from his apartment and lo and be-hold he is on the street telling the world just how this came about.

I guess I am in the "mentally challenged category"
Please do not insult us here with this garbage.
Regards, Iwinder

reply to post by Fluffaluffagous

So fire balls, fire chucks (whatever you want to call them) from the towers flew over a 100 yards with enough force to crash through the windows and walls of WTC 7

Embers, sparks, brands can travel for considerable distances. That is why fire chief will establish a "brand
patrol" during a major fire if there is a strong wind blowing

Seen a building burn down block and half from original fire when burning embers landed on roof and set
building on fire

AT WTC 7 was different - in addition to burning debris was considerable amount of steel columns from
exterior wall flung out by the collapse

Did you miss part where firefighters reported a gash in south face extending nearly 20 floors ?

The steel columns ripped open the wall and broke out the windows allowing the buring debris to start fires

Here is picture of Verizon building next to WTC 7 - notice column sections sticking out and the broken windows







Once fires were established spread by other means including "auto exposure" where heat from burning floor
breaks out the window(s) above it allowing sparks and heat to start new fires

Here is video of north face of WTC 7 showing that

www.911myths.com...

Refer to clips 9, 10, 11 showing windows breaking out and fires spreading

I like the thread, so many new people with food ideas. The debunkers loosing it and I wonder why so few of them in the thread.
I do not think conventional explosives were planted weeks before, they do not turn buildings into dust.
And I think the debunkers are right about the windows. As one poster wrote, half inch movement is enough to destroy the windows

Another good point I found in the tread is that terrorists, and not only of 9/11, attack common people, but not those with power. Instead death of a powerful figure would make more impression on the government, then hundreds of common people. If I were a terrorist, I would attack those who make decisions. I would also clearly declare what I want or another official will die. Actually in the past it was like this.
Instead we observe strange illogical behavior from the terrorist point of view. They just give excuses for elite to do what is good for elite.

reply to post by rival

And if you know of any action films where one doesn't have to turn off their incredulity just to
enjoy a movie...let me know. I assert that it is not outside the realm of possibility that one exists.

Thats not going to happen. They want you to blow yourself up. Ever notice that in movies they always show the wires being hooked to the electric cap in the charge, then they unwind the reel of wire? Unwinding the reel of wire builds static which will set off the cap. Disinformation. The right way is to lay the wire with both ends "shunted" (twisted together). Then cap the charge and hook the wires to the cap. Then return to safe area, and after de-shunting the other end, then and only then hook the wires to the terminal of initiator. But I have never seen a movie show that.

but anyway...with a fuse or match cap, there is absolutely
NO danger of electrical or radio emissions accidentally causing a premature ignition.

No danger, huh? Electrical firing circuits are the most dangerous kind. Especially that first one. And really, it would take more than one (say one for each floor), so a hundred then. Still a lot of little bits of blasting cap left over. And what you call "fuse" is shock tube, right? So where is all the fired shock tube leftover in the rubble? It would be really obvious looking brightly colored tube. Its tough stuff, too. With little aluminum bits stuck to the end from the blasting caps. Not seen any, like you say too?

IDK. How many cell phones, calculators and laptops were found after? Not many? Pretty much chewed up everything. But even a trained fireman knows what Hi-explosive train components look like and would have reported seeing them. No? Thought so.

Sorry about lumping you. I was returning the favor...

Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by HeluvaStorm

 

'Harley Guy' (Mark Walsh) who works as a freelance cameraman for Fox News allowed a news crew to film the collapse of WTC7 from his apartment, obviously they must have known it was coming down in advance to be setting up cameras to specifically film it.

So where have you been...?

Was not like it was big sekrit - except to the mentally challenged who insist WTC 7 was some grand conspiracy

Since mid afternoon the FDNY knew that WTC 7 was in danger of collapse, in fact in anticipation they had
established a collapse zone around the building around 3pm - all personnel and equipment in area were
cleared out

Had been reported by the news media

So you think this some nefarious plot known only to Fox news....?

On the day, in news circles and locally, not a big secret, nationally and internationally not all that well known. When it did come down however, what did the top news say? let's say Dan Rather CNN for instance, "Just like a controlled demolition" nope, he didn't say it yesterday or the day before, he said that on 9/11.

I also come across this strange setup, nowt to do with WTC7 but strange, New York Times, (1)

www.nytimes.com... note the date,

New York Times, (2)

www.nytimes.com... Note the date.

It's not so cut and dried for anything is it?

reply to post by rival

Now I'm a little confused about which side of the fence you're sitting...

So I got to front myself off to you and everybody here? Yah, I hate that I am an American these days. I am ashamed of what my countries industrial military complex is and has been doing to the world for God knows how long. Of course I believe that 911 was a false flag that was used to start the empire building again. This time for the middle east and all its resources. For the world if an ally base doesn't form. Which it does look like it is in the east.

I am not anti American, I am anti what America has become. I have a lot of direct experience with weapons , metallurgy and hi explosives. I believe in Ghosts, Unknown crafts, and the spirit world. I have seen all three.

I am an old man with old man ailments and now I am on another list for spouting all this so that you can be satisfied with what I am about? Happy?

reply to post by Fluffaluffagous


haha i almost pissed myself from laughter reading your post, you didn't answer anything amazing. unreal

reply to post by LoonyConservative

why are gas prices so high?

to make to oil cartels richer at your expense due to an artificial scarcity
simples

and no,
you are not that stupid, only pretending to be

reply to post by intrptr

I am an old man with old man ailments and now I am on another list for spouting all this so that you can be satisfied with what I am about? Happy?

Yeah...I just friended you.

Not sure if I believe in ghosts though...but I do believe in honesty.

My biggest problem with the OS is in building seven...and that resides in my gut...moreso than in all
the curious evidence