Are the Black Bloc allied with Occupy?

reply to post by DavidWillts

like i said, same old spin.

use logic for a second,
why would the banks do nothing to protesters who were hurting their profits?

what would be the easyest way to hurt occupy?

use your noodle bud

xploder

reply to post by petrus4


Then maybe you should try going to a true conservative source, not Breitbrat et al.
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Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by wrdwzrd

 

What do you know about what I know personally? What do you know about what I do? I can tell you from personal experience you are wrong.

It is publicly known that police use black bloc tactics to infiltrate protests, including occupy, start trouble/destroy things and then use that as an excuse to bring in the dressed officers to bust up the protest.

Sure there are protesters that use black bloc tactics, but just as often you will have cops. Just as you had at last years occup protest. You really think cops don't use black bloc to incite the violence? You are so well trained to know the difference between a protester using the tactic and a cop? You would have to be a psychic. They do it every chance they get. Just as they did at the Toronto G20.

I was responding to you writing "when you see Black Bloc in the US, it is generally cops" and this is a false statement. As I said, of course cops use Black Bloc tactics, that is the difficulty of having an anonymous tactic like Black Bloc, you dont know who is a part of it and that can lead to infiltration. I dont deny that. But out of all of those people smashing windows and stuff, Id say easily 99% of them are genuine in what they are doing and are NOT police officers.

reply to post by Kali74

Well said, that is true logic and critical thinking...which most people cannot grasp. I don't mean that directed at any one person just in general.

thanks Kali74

the simple answer is a question,
who benefits from bad publicity for occupy?

WALL ST

who has motive to install agent provocatures ?

WALL ST

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Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by wrdwzrd

 

Of course those who participate in Black Blocs (destructive and non destructive) have legitimate concerns and I think their voice is just as important as any other. However, I personally nor do from what I can gather first hand do many others, welcome vandalism. We want our movement to grow, to be heard...we want the elderly, the disabled and our children to be present and involved and that can't happen if there's a threat of windows being smashed. I don't want my 12 year old son to think breaking things is democracy, it isn't. I get the concept the targets are meant to be symbolic (bank windows etc) I don't agree but I get it.

All most Occupiers want though is safe space to raise our voices and that can't happen when vandalism is happening. Not to mention, the fact that it makes us too easy of a target for agent provocateurs and too easy for the media and whoever else to marginalize us. I want to speak my message, not spend hours deconstructing disinformation before hand.

By all means, march with us...speak up at assemblies but if you want to smash windows...do it on your own.

Yes, nicely put. I agree with you!

reply to post by petrus4

It contains Communist symbolism and terminology, and it is on one of the pages of OccupyWallSt.org.

Show the Communist symbolism and terminology in that picture. Is it the shopping mall they are in front of? Or is it the peace symbols? I hope your not mistaking the word commune as being something communist. Because seeing how commune was being used in the 15th century it predates communism by quite a bit.

Originally posted by XPLodER
this DOES NOT EXCUSE the fact that communists and anarchists only make up 2% of occupy

Then why are they so much more visible than anyone else?

Originally posted by buster2010
reply to post by petrus4

 

Show the Communist symbolism and terminology in that picture. Is it the shopping mall they are in front of? Or is it the peace symbols? I hope your not mistaking the word commune as being something communist. Because seeing how commune was being used in the 15th century it predates communism by quite a bit.

For crying out loud; am I really supposed to dignify this level of dishonest pedantry with a response?

I'm reminded of one of Bill Clinton's answers in court.

"That depends on what the definition of 'is', is."

Originally posted by XPLodER
reply to post by DavidWillts

 

like i said, same old spin.

use logic for a second,
why would the banks do nothing to protesters who were hurting their profits?

what would be the easyest way to hurt occupy?

use your noodle bud

xploder

Logic has nothing to do with what you are saying, the opposite actually.
OWS like any group has some bad apples but what OWS tries to do is say that it MUST be the banks trying to undermine them because OWS would NEVER have ANY people that would step out of line. It is just a way to shove responsibility on off on someone else. It would be like the pope blaming child molesting priests on some atheist conspiracy.
You have nothing to back up the banks paying all the violent OWSers to give OWS a bad name you are just making stuff up and calling it logic.

And the whole communist symbols thing is a bit of a stretch and is exactly like the people who can find masonic symbols and numbers in anything from candy wrappers to blank pieces of paper.

O=15 -is means the 15th degree of mason degrees
W=23 - is a number which means death
S=1 - is the number of braincells you have to have to come up with stuff like this

15+23+1= 39- 39 is the number of communists that can fit in a bus with 39 seats

39+ 627= 666- OMG SATAN!!!

Originally posted by petrus4

Originally posted by buster2010
reply to post by petrus4

 

Show the Communist symbolism and terminology in that picture. Is it the shopping mall they are in front of? Or is it the peace symbols? I hope your not mistaking the word commune as being something communist. Because seeing how commune was being used in the 15th century it predates communism by quite a bit.

For crying out loud; am I really supposed to dignify this level of dishonest pedantry with a response?

I'm reminded of one of Bill Clinton's answers in court.

"That depends on what the definition of 'is', is."

If you can't back up what you are saying just say so. I just asked for you to point out the communist symbols that you said were in the pic you provided. Now point them out.

Originally posted by DavidWillts

Originally posted by XPLodER
reply to post by DavidWillts

 

like i said, same old spin.

use logic for a second,
why would the banks do nothing to protesters who were hurting their profits?

what would be the easyest way to hurt occupy?

use your noodle bud

xploder

Logic has nothing to do with what you are saying, the opposite actually.
OWS like any group has some bad apples but what OWS tries to do is say that it MUST be the banks trying to undermine them because OWS would NEVER have ANY people that would step out of line. It is just a way to shove responsibility on off on someone else. It would be like the pope blaming child molesting priests on some atheist conspiracy.
You have nothing to back up the banks paying all the violent OWSers to give OWS a bad name you are just making stuff up and calling it logic.

i have decided to take the time to explain why OWS is not breaking stuff,
to be OWS or Occupy,
you must first agree on NON VIOLENT PEACEFUL right to free assembly for redress of greavences,
you must then acually peacefully freely assemble.

anyone NOT peacefully non violently asembling, is therfore NOT OWS

i see by the fact you brought up child molestation,
that you are simply trying to troll a different issiue,

religion is NOT an occupy issiue,
all religions that are peaceful and non violent,
are allowed

i do not condone child abuse of any sort and yur reference to it is a deliberate smear.
and very obvious at that

WHY if our main strategy is peaceful non violence,
would we "allow" violence, it goes against everything ows stands for

logic is taking on the richest most powerful people and banking cartels,
and realising they would use the media and agent provocatures to achive the reason for a crack down, this is common sense

you try to pretend these powerful institutions are pure and would not stoop to violence to discreadit occupy,
i laugh at how niaeve you are or pretend to be

xploder

Originally posted by petrus4

Originally posted by XPLodER
this DOES NOT EXCUSE the fact that communists and anarchists only make up 2% of occupy

Then why are they so much more visible than anyone else?

because of the american MSM,
the media focuses on ONE SMALL GROUP,
and claims that all MUST be comunists,

are occupy mothers comunists? what about occupy grannies?
only 2% of people at occupy claimed to be socialists or anarchists,

the media wants to make you think a very small cross section of american society represents occupy,

occupy represents ALL in society, reasurch is your friend

occupy CANT discriminate on race age gender or political or religious beleifs,
or it would NOT be FREE assembly,

so the media tryes to label occupy because of the 2%,
not as a society made op of "groups" of ALL americans.

why not take a look at occupy veterans?
or occupy the hood?

because Americans are programmed to hate anything labelled as communist,
weather true or not.

occupy can see clearly that this left right argument is to distract people from the truth.

occupy is not left or right it is where Americans meet in the middle to save the country from wall streets looting of the economy and the wholesale destruction of the middle class,

you are falling for the divide and label tactic,
that occupy seeks to expose.

put it this way,
if you are so busy fighting imaginary commies,
you wont stop the banks from destroying your country for private profits

it is to devide and distract you from wall street crimes

xp

Originally posted by buster2010
If you can't back up what you are saying just say so. I just asked for you to point out the communist symbols that you said were in the pic you provided. Now point them out.

Ok, yes; I do think, "Police Out, Commune In," is a blatantly Communist slogan. The A icon, and black flags are also clearly visible.

How much more blatant does it need to be, before you will cease claiming that it isn't what it looks like? Maybe them also holding up portraits of Trotsky would help.

reply to post by petrus4


The A and black flag are anarchist symbols.
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reply to post by wrdwzrd


My statement was no more false than you saying

Id say easily 99% of them are genuine in what they are doing and are NOT police officers

You would be surprised by the percentage that are cops trying to incite violent behavior in protesters. Most people are protesting because they are genuinely unhappy. They aren't out to destroy property and go to jail.

reply to post by petrus4


Because people with an agenda tend to take pictures of only the things that promote their agenda..
Duh.

I have been to occupy protests where I never saw one person supporting communism. I watched in portland when near 10,000 people gathered and never saw, in that giant mass of people, one pro communist sign.

It's really funny because people (such as yourself apparently) are sooo easily manipulated into believing what they are told by these left and right leaning groups. We are talking about a handful of people out of thousands.