why I hate evolution..

reply to post by milkyway12

I swim in water all the time , i scuba dive all the time , i LOVE swimming in water. I swim 3 or 4 times a week. Guess what? Still havent turned into a fish.

Yes...and that's why the theory of evolution also doesn't suggest that would happen

Again...you have NO CLUE what you're talking about

Anyway...regarding that whale thing, here's how they evolved:

reply to post by ElohimJD


too bad youre not god, huh?

Originally posted by Tbrooks76
Construct a Hypothesis: all life evolved from a signal cell organism that created itself naturally 4.5 billion years ago.

Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment: Now things get interesting, the whole "theory" is based with life creating itself, it's the building block for Evolution and where we all came from. Yet every experiment under natural and unnatural conditions to create life has failed. The closest anybody has ever came I believe was to create a protein, and that a far cry from life. Now if the scientific method was really followed this so called “theory” did not pass the experimental stage and is truly a hypothesis, in fact with the numerous of failed attempts at creating life, it seem to be a bad hypothesis.

No...you're just uneducated those "proteins" were RNA which is self-replicating, self-assembling, and inherently adapts to environmental changes....in short...it's life. The big lesson from this experiment? It was far easier than anybody imagined and we probably shouldn't think that there is really anything particularly unique about random atoms becoming "life". Link:www.wired.com...

So here is why and how evolution became a so called theory; it’s all opinionate and objective reasoning. That just simply means observations are made, and then they are made fit into the theory. This is the exact opposite what is supposed to be done when proving a hypothesis. The experimental stage is supposed to be fair and objective, but it’s not when comes to evolution. Chimps have 98% similar DNA is go example of this, what does this tell us.

No...the term "theory" in scientific parlance has a higher standard of proof than a "law"...such as in the "laws of physics". To define a scientific law all one must do is observe a cause and effect relationship of some sort. To define a "theory" one must observe a cause and effect relationship, demonstrate a quantifiable understanding of how it works, and back that those ideas up with physical evidence. Evolution is perhaps one of the most rich and well-described scientific theories that humans have ever come up with.

Is this an example of life creating itself, No!!, but what I can do is take this observation and apply to an evolution theory…..because humans and chips have 98% the same DNA I can conclude that chimps and humans have a common origin from a single cell organism.

This isn't all what scientists think. The only people I ever hear spout this sort of nonsense are extremely uneducated Creationists.

I see so many things I want to reply too, between you all posting too fast and work getting in the way, I haven't had time to post much today. The good news I might be going to holland for 6 weeks to work on some electricaly wind farms, I don't know when I leaving yet, but I'm sure I'll be missed here...lol

Ok, one question a few pages back was how did the fossils links posted disprove evolution....well if the fossils of "millions" of years ago are the same as animals today, where was the evolution, they are showing proof those animals didn't evolve as the theory....hypothesis prodicted.

Originally posted by KnawLick
reply to post by LesMisanthrope

 

What is there to adapt to?.... The Bible says God created life. THATS IT

That's right, and you believe it because you're told to and you feel you have to. There's not a shred of inquiry whatsoever in believing that ancient assertion. If there were at least some observations or evidence of god, you might have something to prop up your theory, but until you do you are believing something someone told you to believe. Nothing more.

Originally posted by Tbrooks76
I see so many things I want to reply too, between you all posting too fast and work getting in the way, I haven't had time to post much today. The good news I might be going to holland for 6 weeks to work on some electricaly wind farms, I don't know when I leaving yet, but I'm sure I'll be missed here...lol

Ok, one question a few pages back was how did the fossils links posted disprove evolution....well if the fossils of "millions" of years ago are the same as animals today, where was the evolution, they are showing proof those animals didn't evolve as the theory....hypothesis prodicted.

If you read my reply you'd know that they are NOT the same

Originally posted by LesMisanthrope

Originally posted by KnawLick
reply to post by LesMisanthrope

 

What is there to adapt to?.... The Bible says God created life. THATS IT

That's right, and you believe it because you're told to and you feel you have to. There's not a shred of inquiry whatsoever in believing that ancient assertion. If there were at least some observations or evidence of god, you might have something to prop up your theory, but until you do you are believing something someone told you to believe. Nothing more.

I understand what your saying.... But there is also not a shred of evidence to DISPROVE it either. I chose to believe God created all life, without any evidence.

You chose to believe God didn't create life and you can't prove your beliefs either... Whats the difference?


Did you personally theorize evolution? Have you gone to dig sights and personally studied the fossil records?

No... your believe what your science teacher told you.... So cast not the first stone sir.

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by milkyway12

 

I swim in water all the time , i scuba dive all the time , i LOVE swimming in water. I swim 3 or 4 times a week. Guess what? Still havent turned into a fish.

Yes...and that's why the theory of evolution also doesn't suggest that would happen

Again...you have NO CLUE what you're talking about

Anyway...regarding that whale thing, here's how they evolved:

edit on 19-6-2012 by MrXYZ because: (no reason given)

does the video explain how it evolved to be able to breathe underwater?

I know you will wanna tell me,,, " just watch the video,, youll probably learn something "

but i tried too and its just an annoying video,,, like an action film with all the noises and effects,,,, i just want some consice answers.....

reply to post by KnawLick

There's not a shred of evidence to disprove the unicorn in my wardrobe, either.

Originally posted by KnawLick

Originally posted by LesMisanthrope

Originally posted by KnawLick
reply to post by LesMisanthrope

 

What is there to adapt to?.... The Bible says God created life. THATS IT

That's right, and you believe it because you're told to and you feel you have to. There's not a shred of inquiry whatsoever in believing that ancient assertion. If there were at least some observations or evidence of god, you might have something to prop up your theory, but until you do you are believing something someone told you to believe. Nothing more.

I understand what your saying.... But there is also not a shred of evidence to DISPROVE it either. I chose to believe God created all life, without any evidence.

You chose to believe God didn't create life and you can't prove your beliefs either... Whats the difference?


Did you personally theorize evolution? Have you gone to dig sights and personally studied the fossil records?

No... your believe what your science teacher told you.... So cast not the first stone sir.

edit on 19-6-2012 by KnawLick because: (no reason given)

Wrong.
Initially we may believe what our science teachers say but as we acquire more knowledge we challenge it until it is proven.
That's something you don't do.

"There are none so blind who will not see". Never has there been an idiom so apt for this thread.

And you never got back to me about Galileo's trial.....

Originally posted by ImaFungi

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by milkyway12

 

I swim in water all the time , i scuba dive all the time , i LOVE swimming in water. I swim 3 or 4 times a week. Guess what? Still havent turned into a fish.

Yes...and that's why the theory of evolution also doesn't suggest that would happen

Again...you have NO CLUE what you're talking about

Anyway...regarding that whale thing, here's how they evolved:

edit on 19-6-2012 by MrXYZ because: (no reason given)

does the video explain how it evolved to be able to breathe underwater?

Whales don't breathe under water.
They are mammals, they breathe air just like you do.
They're just very good at holding their breath.

reply to post by Pardon?


ah yes,, thanks

Originally posted by KnawLick
I understand what your saying.... But there is also not a shred of evidence to DISPROVE it either. I chose to believe God created all life, without any evidence.

Believing that god created all life without any evidence is your choice. It's no one's job to disprove, though, only the religious' job to prove.

You chose to believe God didn't create life and you can't prove your beliefs either... Whats the difference?

We can prove our theories, if that's what you mean by beliefs. By having a 10th grade education, or at least a freshman in college intro to Biology class, we can.

Did you personally theorize evolution? Have you gone to dig sights and personally studied the fossil records?

I didn't theorize gravity, thermodynamics, physics, cosmology, climatology, or anything in science...but that doesn't stop them from working.

That's like me arguing "You didn't write the Bible, why do you believe it."

No... your believe what your science teacher told you.... So cast not the first stone sir.

Oddly enough, though, we had this thing called a "science lab" where we actually tested a majority of the things that were taught. Howzabout your magic jesus lab? What was that like?

Originally posted by iWantToBeelieve
reply to post by Barcs

 

just not in humans buddy boy, theres your hole.

Which ones do not apply to humans? Genetic mutations or natural selection? I hope you have evidence for this, as both are demonstrable in humans, in the real world. This is why people who aren't familiar with something shouldn't attack it.

Originally posted by KnawLick

Originally posted by Barcs

Originally posted by KnawLick
reply to post by Barcs

 

I'm a very religious person and could care less if evolution is true or not. IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE.

Evolution doesn't disprove religion, I have no need to fight against it....

The Bible says God created the Universe and Life. Thats it. Not how, why or when.

So until science can disprove that a creative force wasn't behind the formation of the universe, and life didn't just spontaneously combust on earth...

The Bible and science aren't in conflict in the slightest

Now this I agree with....well mostly.. but why are you attacking evolution if you don't care if its true? Why not just acknowledge it as science while still believing in god / the bible? I have no problem with this at all. What I DO have a problem with is people perpetuating lies and constantly attacking science to try to prove their religion or disprove evolution.

I just like debating. It sharpens your intellect. And a true sign of intelligence is being able to debate a cause you may not even believe in.... So basically? For fun.

I can respect that. I also enjoy debating and find it loads of fun, which is one of the reasons I post here. Science is also one of my passions and believe me its not about blind belief, it's about testing, and repeating those tests hundreds sometimes thousands of times. Peer review is important, and what changes it from "I heard from a guy who heard from a guy" to peer reviewed scientific fact.

reply to post by Anonymous404


I like how you dissected every point. Good form (no sarcasm).

My point is the world is a complicated place guys. Right now every atom around us, and probably in us, is vibrating while in a quantum state. Allowing these atoms to be in more than one place at a time. This implies there could be infinite Me's in infinite universes that are all different.

Its not as simple as "oh i'm an evolutionist" "oh I'm a creationist" thats so simplistic and outdated. The truths that we will EVENTUALLY arrive on will blow the image of some dude on a cloud and a whacky scientist named Darwin out of the water.

Imagine if every universe has a different way it arrived at life? Let's not get ahead of ourselves with all these absolute statements.... There are shades of grey in life.

reply to post by milominderbinder


You know I hate biology, I really do. I'm a physical science type, love E=mc2, atoms, and theroical physics...but
I at least give Evolutionist creidt that they could produce a protein, RNA is but one amino acid in a protein.

reply to post by ImaFungi


Link

Was that so hard?

God would be ashamed if he saw the silly Dogma Christians hold on to. If you believe in him then you believe he invented DNA and Atoms and every scientific process. We do him no justice portraying him on a silly cloud.

If you believe this universe is a natural, random occurrence than are we really doing its majesty credit by holding on to set in stone beliefs like evolution. The fact is there are real questions about it, and disproving evolution by no means means christian dogma is correct. The universe is proving to be scientifically far more creative than we ever could have dreamed of.

Do we really think outdated things like a guy on a cloud or human ape half breeds are really the best we can come up with after discovering quantum mechanisms....? I think not.

Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by Tbrooks76
I see so many things I want to reply too, between you all posting too fast and work getting in the way, I haven't had time to post much today. The good news I might be going to holland for 6 weeks to work on some electricaly wind farms, I don't know when I leaving yet, but I'm sure I'll be missed here...lol

Ok, one question a few pages back was how did the fossils links posted disprove evolution....well if the fossils of "millions" of years ago are the same as animals today, where was the evolution, they are showing proof those animals didn't evolve as the theory....hypothesis prodicted.

If you read my reply you'd know that they are NOT the same

I missed what reply you are talking about, I looked back but didn't see anything about this, can you please point out the post.